Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-12 Diskussionsfäden Benoit Panizzon
Hi Update on the Problem. I got two replies, one yesterday stating, that the problem is about our side, that the UPC servers rotate between 3 IP addresses and this causes problems with greylisting. => Fact: Already last week I told them I see those 3 IP Addresses from within the same /24 and

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-06 Diskussionsfäden Mike Kellenberger
Hi all Just received this update from UPC: Many thanks for your e-mail. We reported this greylisting issue to our mailserver administrators. They will take care of it and hopefully resolve this issue within the next week. We added the 6 IP's of the outgoing mailservers to the DNSWL.org

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-05 Diskussionsfäden Benoit Panizzon
Quick update on that case. UPC Switzerland is fully aware of the problem. The Mail-Platform in the Netherlands is operated by UPC Austria (probably chello.at). And they still deny that there is a problem on their side and blame the ISPs that do greylisting. UPC Switzerland is trying to escalate

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-05 Diskussionsfäden Benoit Panizzon
Hi Per > Is there any point in greylisting genuine mailservers? We only > greylist dodgy-looking setups. True, no point in greylisting a propper SMTP engine that does queueing and would resend the email later in case of a 4XX error. But how do you find out which ip's to greylist and which not

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-05 Diskussionsfäden Benoit Panizzon
Hi > I do not greylist servers with correct spf record. With UPC i think > the main problem is the missing NDR. We also do not greylist if the SPF record matches. We do not greylist IP's listed in the DNSWL.org or SWINOG Whitelist either. But none of this was true for the new 'NL' ranges used

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-04 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Viktor Steinmann wrote: > On 04.01.2017 08:54, Per Jessen wrote: >> >> Is there any point in greylisting genuine mailservers? We only >> greylist dodgy-looking setups. >> >> >> /Per >> > I don't see how this approach would scale. To my knowledge, it scales quite well. We maintain a list of

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-04 Diskussionsfäden Beat Siegenthaler
On 03.01.17 16:27, Benoit Panizzon wrote: > Same Problem here, since at least 24. December. > Same here since beginning of december. Whitelistied UPC 9.12. 21:37 I do not greylist servers with correct spf record. With UPC i think the main problem is the missing NDR. happy new year!! Beat

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-04 Diskussionsfäden Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mi den 4. Jan 2017 um 8:54 schrieb Per Jessen: > Is there any point in greylisting genuine mailservers? We only greylist > dodgy-looking setups. I had the same in mind but didn't post as I only run a small server pressent days. I

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-04 Diskussionsfäden Viktor Steinmann
On 04.01.2017 08:54, Per Jessen wrote: Is there any point in greylisting genuine mailservers? We only greylist dodgy-looking setups. /Per I don't see how this approach would scale. We greylist everything. If some mail servers appear to have a problem with that and are legit, they are

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-03 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Mike Kellenberger wrote: > Hi > > We are seeing problems with greylisting in mails coming from UPC > mailservers. After receiving our "451 Greylisting" response, we never > see a retry of the mail again. The sender does not receive an NDR. We > have seen this behaviour from the servers at

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-03 Diskussionsfäden Benoit Panizzon
Same Problem here, since at least 24. December. Opened a case today @ UPC. I keep you updated. -- -BenoƮt Panizzon- -- I m p r o W a r e A G-Leiter Commerce Kunden __ Zurlindenstrasse 29 Tel +41 61 826 93 00 CH-4133

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-03 Diskussionsfäden Matthias Egger
On 01/03/2017 03:09 PM, Mike Kellenberger wrote: > We are seeing problems with greylisting in mails coming from UPC > mailservers. After receiving our "451 Greylisting" response, we never > see a retry of the mail again. The sender does not receive an NDR. We > have seen this behaviour from the

Re: [swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-03 Diskussionsfäden Marc Balmer
> We are seeing problems with greylisting in mails coming from UPC > mailservers. After receiving our "451 Greylisting" response, we never > see a retry of the mail again. The sender does not receive an NDR. We > have seen this behaviour from the servers at 84.116.36.xxx. Other > servers for

[swinog] UPC Mailservers problems with greylisting

2017-01-03 Diskussionsfäden Mike Kellenberger
Hi We are seeing problems with greylisting in mails coming from UPC mailservers. After receiving our "451 Greylisting" response, we never see a retry of the mail again. The sender does not receive an NDR. We have seen this behaviour from the servers at 84.116.36.xxx. Other servers for