Re: [Syslog] MIB Issue #1 - one or multiple? Seeking consensus

2007-01-16 Thread John Calcote
Tom, Saying that Windows is not an operating system in some key respects because it doesn't provide the infrastructure that apps need (because it doesn't provide SNMP support natively) is a little like saying Solaris shouldn't be called a desktop environment because it doesn't provide Beryl as

RE: [Syslog] MIB Issue #2: document terminology.

2007-01-16 Thread David Harrington
Hi, [speaking as a contributor] We have already submitted the protocol document. If everybody else is satisfied the terminology is clear in that document, with the minor fixes you have made), then I will not oppose it simply moving forward. I do want to make sure the descriptions in the mib doc

RE: [Syslog] MIB Issue #1 - one or multiple? Seeking consensus

2007-01-16 Thread David Harrington
Hi, [speaking as a contributor, and a MIB Doctor] > -Original Message- > From: tom.petch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Using Tables is the standard SNMP technique for managing multiple > > instances. That is exactly what is done in the current MIB. > > > > > Well, no. As a MIB Doc

RE: [Syslog] MIB Issue #1 - one or multiple? Seeking consensus

2007-01-16 Thread David Harrington
Hi, [speaking as co-chair] MIB Issue#1 is not about whether Windows is a real operating system. If you want to have that discussion feel free, but please do it elsewhere - it is inappropriate for the syslog WG, and it is certainly off-topic for MIB Issue#1. David Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Syslog] MIB Issue #1 - one or multiple? Seeking consensus

2007-01-16 Thread Rainer Gerhards
Hi Tom, > -Original Message- > From: tom.petch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:40 PM > To: Rainer Gerhards; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Syslog] MIB Issue #1 - one or multiple? Seeking consensus > > Rainer > > Using this as a convenient peg on which to

Re: [Syslog] MIB Issue #1 - one or multiple? Seeking consensus

2007-01-16 Thread tom.petch
Rainer Using this as a convenient peg on which to hang an answer. You asked about software architecture. I think that for all its commercial success, Windows is not, in some key respects, an operating system in that it does not provide the infrastructure that applications deserve. You point ou

RE: [Syslog] MIB Issue #1 - one or multiple? Seeking consensus

2007-01-16 Thread Rainer Gerhards
Being not MIB-literate, I tend to agree that it does not add much complexity if there is a table which most often includes just a single element. What is used in practice. It depends on your point of view. If you look at deployments, a single engine is the vast majority. If you look at number of d

Re: [Syslog] MIB Issue #1 - one or multiple? Seeking consensus

2007-01-16 Thread Glenn M. Keeni
Tom, > Which technique is best depends on whether the occurrence of > multiple instances is the norm, which should be modelled and > supported. I think that this is not the case for syslog and > so the additional complexity is not justified. I imagine you > think otherwise. The syslogMIB leaves i

RE: [Syslog] MIB Issue #1 - one or multiple? Seeking consensus

2007-01-16 Thread Rohit M \(rrohit\)
Hi Tom, >> I think that this is not the case for syslog and so the additional complexity is not justified. IMHO, adding an option for Multiple instance does not add additional complexity; It just adds an option for extensibility. Thanks Rohit -Original Message- From: tom.petch [ma

Re: [Syslog] MIB Issue #1 - one or multiple? Seeking consensus

2007-01-16 Thread tom.petch
- Original Message - From: "Glenn M. Keeni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "tom.petch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "David Harrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Syslog] MIB Issue #1 - one or multiple? Seeking consensus > tom.petch wr

RE: [Syslog] MIB Issue #2: document terminology.

2007-01-16 Thread Rainer Gerhards
David, I will happily do that. But before I can, I need to go back to the discussion on architecture in syslog-protocol. Is this issue solved? Do we need a new section or are the proposed definition updates enough? I am asking these questions because I think we need to be clear on the terminology