[Syslog] Documenting the configuration of syslog

2008-01-16 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi WG, Things are changing in the IETF around documenting the management and operations of protocols. The OPS Area WG has been documenting a change of approach, in which SNMP and MIBs are not the only way to configure, manage and operate a protocol, and existing practices are taken into

RE: [Syslog] Documenting the configuration of syslog

2008-01-16 Thread Anton Okmyanskiy (aokmians)
Does defining configuration concepts require that you define the functional aspects of syslog application? I can see many different uses of syslog, each requiring different configuration. It all depends on the context it is used in. It can be stand-along, it can be embedded, it can be part of

RE: [Syslog] Documenting the configuration of syslog

2008-01-16 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi Anton, Perhaps I wasn't so verbose in my original posting. Documenting the SNMP MIBs will give us counters and a way to configure syslog via SNMP. We've had many discussions of what we want to count, and how it _should_ add up. We've also had discussions on how to tell a syslog device

RE: [Syslog] Documenting the configuration of syslog

2008-01-16 Thread David Harrington
Hi, [as co-chair] This discussion started between Chris and I concerning the remaining charter item of submitting the Syslog Device MIB. The existing MIB has been rather controversial, and has knobs for configuring syslog using the MIB, when osme implementers say they have no demand for a MIB

RE: [Syslog] Documenting the configuration of syslog

2008-01-16 Thread David Harrington
Hi, [as contributor] Traditionally, standards are based on some level of agreement across multiple implementations about what should be standardized. I have looked at syslog MIB modules from multiple vendors and have not found any that model the same concepts that the current syslog MIB models.

Re: [Syslog] Documenting the configuration of syslog

2008-01-16 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 05:43:33PM -0500, David Harrington wrote: [as co-chair] This discussion started between Chris and I concerning the remaining charter item of submitting the Syslog Device MIB. The existing MIB has been rather controversial, and has knobs for configuring syslog using