Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

2019-09-02 Thread Andy Pieters
On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 06:44, Ulrich Windl wrote: > Also you have to distinguish hating a product from hating some individual > person, and "all the" time is definitely an exaggeration. > That distinction is very hard for the persons that spend a lot of their time and money into making the

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

2019-09-01 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 29.08.2019 um 16:13 in Nachricht <20190829141317.GB9510@gardel-login>: [...] > However, you are coming to this mailing list, in search for free > support, and just dump insults and hate mails onto our doorstep, all > the time. It's just massively annoying. Can't

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

2019-08-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Do, 29.08.19 08:19, Ulrich Windl (ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de) wrote: > > > > # After editing this file, run 'systemctl daemon‑reload' to update systemd > > # units generated from this file. > > > > > > Unfortunately it's only half of the truth: Even if you do not modify > /etc/fstab,

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

2019-08-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.08.19 um 08:19 schrieb Ulrich Windl: > I really don't understand what "unload this on our doorstep" means: Bring a > common problem to your attention, while you consider any problems to be the > user's fault? at least you understand when you come up with "that's why i hate systemd" and

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

2019-08-29 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 28.08.2019 um 14:41 in Nachricht <20190828124149.GA8141@gardel-login>: > On Mi, 28.08.19 09:33, Ulrich Windl (ulrich.wi...@rz.uni‑regensburg.de) wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> systemd in SLES 12 is causing endless frustration here: >> >> Yesterday I was migrating some

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

2019-08-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.08.19 um 19:11 schrieb Andrei Borzenkov: > The problem is that systemd is used to do things it was never intended > to do. > > systemd was created to do one and only one single task - start static > list of services during system boot (and stop them during shutdown but > that is

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

2019-08-28 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
28.08.2019 11:38, Ulrich Windl пишет: > > Some design concepts in systemd are just insane, the fstab issue being a good > example for that. > The problem is that systemd is used to do things it was never intended to do. systemd was created to do one and only one single task - start static

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

2019-08-28 Thread Frank Steiner
Ulrich, I also wasn't happy when SLES switched to systemd because it meant that I had to learn a lot of new stuff and forget many of the knowledge that I head collected over the years for system V. But before I switched all my SLES/D 11 systems to SLE 12 I ran a test host for about half a year

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

2019-08-28 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Frans de Boer schrieb am 28.08.2019 um 11:24 in Nachricht <46281377-9749-7f60-f818-fa8b5d3f4...@fransdb.nl>: [...] >>> That is why I hate systemd! >> believe it: systemd hates you too Yeah, I feel it was written especially for me! ;-) [...] > righteous posture of some people, just because

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

2019-08-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.08.19 um 10:38 schrieb Ulrich Windl: > So far the time systemd saves during boot or shutdown is in no reasonable > proportion to the many hours of extra work it caused for the administrator > (me) > to get a system up that systemd downed. but the problem here is you and not systemd *

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

2019-08-28 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> František Šumšal schrieb am 28.08.2019 um 10:18 in Nachricht : > On 8/28/19 9:33 AM, Ulrich Windl wrote: >> Hi! >> >> systemd in SLES 12 is causing endless frustration here: >> >> Yesterday I was migrating some filesystems to a new device (multipath, > MD-RAID, LVM, filesystem,