Re: [systemd-devel] new user/group population on bootup

2014-06-20 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 15.06.14 15:16, Michael Marineau (michael.marin...@coreos.com) wrote: BTW: given that there's now at least Colin, Kay, me, and CoreOS working on getting empty /etc working, can we at least try to agree where the vendor versions of the files should be? I am kinda voting for

Re: [systemd-devel] new user/group population on bootup

2014-06-16 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014, at 02:56 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: BTW: given that there's now at least Colin, Kay, me, and CoreOS working on getting empty /etc working, can we at least try to agree where the vendor versions of the files should be? I am kinda voting for /usr/share/etc, and this is

Re: [systemd-devel] new user/group population on bootup

2014-06-15 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 13.06.14 12:35, Michael Marineau (michael.marin...@coreos.com) wrote: As a side note, regardless of whether an empty /etc is actually viable or not the more packages that support gracefully dealing with configuration in both /etc and /usr the fewer files there will be in /etc that are

Re: [systemd-devel] new user/group population on bootup

2014-06-15 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 14.06.14 18:34, luigi (luig...@yandex.com) wrote: hi. i think it will be better that system users with fixed uid/guid shoud be imposed by upstream. Do not allow for flexibility for distros in order to make them stable and standardized. THis can never work, as the UID/GID

Re: [systemd-devel] new user/group population on bootup

2014-06-15 Thread Michael Marineau
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Fri, 13.06.14 12:35, Michael Marineau (michael.marin...@coreos.com) wrote: As a side note, regardless of whether an empty /etc is actually viable or not the more packages that support gracefully dealing with

Re: [systemd-devel] new user/group population on bootup

2014-06-14 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Michael Marineau wrote: For what its worth, in my efforts to make CoreOS boot with a completely empty root filesystem I found that the changes required were usually not too dramatic. Fixing many packages, like sudo, just amounted to shipping different config

Re: [systemd-devel] new user/group population on bootup

2014-06-13 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014, at 05:36 AM, Colin Walters wrote: My high level takeaway right now is that this looks OK for nspawn containers, but it's not clear to me it's viable or right for the host OS, at least for general purpose systems. That was wrongly stated - basically I'm just skeptical of

Re: [systemd-devel] new user/group population on bootup

2014-06-13 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 13.06.14 05:36, Colin Walters (walt...@verbum.org) wrote: Hi, I had a quick look at the new: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=1b99214789101976d6bbf75c351279584b071998 and followon commits. My high level takeaway right now is that this looks OK for nspawn

Re: [systemd-devel] new user/group population on bootup

2014-06-13 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 13.06.14 06:37, Colin Walters (walt...@verbum.org) wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2014, at 05:36 AM, Colin Walters wrote: My high level takeaway right now is that this looks OK for nspawn containers, but it's not clear to me it's viable or right for the host OS, at least for general

Re: [systemd-devel] new user/group population on bootup

2014-06-13 Thread Michael Marineau
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2014, at 05:36 AM, Colin Walters wrote: My high level takeaway right now is that this looks OK for nspawn containers, but it's not clear to me it's viable or right for the host OS, at least for general