Re: [systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 18.08.14 15:50, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: Am 18.08.2014 um 15:27 schrieb Lennart Poettering: And also I would like to see the full logs always by default. Usually after lots of searching you find the offending log entry for the error, only to find out you

Re: [systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.08.2014 um 15:27 schrieb Lennart Poettering: And also I would like to see the full logs always by default. Usually after lots of searching you find the offending log entry for the error, only to find out you forgot to pass the right command line options to journalctl and the important

[systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-18 Thread Philippe De Swert
Hi, Having to often use journalctl it has slowly driven me insane with the default options not matching common use cases. Attached is already a patch to start the journal at the end. Usually people check the logs when something went wrong, and don't care about what happened three weeks ago

Re: [systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-18 Thread Ronny Chevalier
2014-08-18 13:46 GMT+02:00 Philippe De Swert philippedesw...@gmail.com: Hi, Hi, Having to often use journalctl it has slowly driven me insane with the default options not matching common use cases. Attached is already a patch to start the journal at the end. Usually people check the logs

Re: [systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-18 Thread Philippe De Swert
Hi, Seems the patch has been scrubbed. Will re-send it later if there is interest to have it. Should have used git send-email I guess, but now badly inlined at the bottom of this email. Thank you for your help, but you seem to have misunderstood what I am after. On 18/08/14 15:08, Ronny

Re: [systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 18.08.14 14:46, Philippe De Swert (philippedesw...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, Having to often use journalctl it has slowly driven me insane with the default options not matching common use cases. Attached is already a patch to start the journal at the end. Usually people check the

Re: [systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 18.08.14 16:02, Philippe De Swert (philippedesw...@gmail.com) wrote: The point is that I think that -a should be default. I can't think of any reason to have truncated and mangled logs by default. As it too often happens that you forget to add the flag as I just explained, you

Re: [systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-18 Thread Philippe De Swert
Hi, Thanks for answering. On 18/08/14 16:27, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 18.08.14 14:46, Philippe De Swert (philippedesw...@gmail.com) wrote: Well, its more complex than that. I know that a lot of people do journalctl -b more often than journalctl -e. I really don#t want to be in the

Re: [systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 18.08.14 17:19, Philippe De Swert (philippedesw...@gmail.com) wrote: Moreover, journalctl is frequently now used in scripts, we cannot change the defaults really now, that would break all scripts. journalctl is API now. I could argue that most people who use -b might not know

Re: [systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-18 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 04:42:52PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 18.08.14 17:19, Philippe De Swert (philippedesw...@gmail.com) wrote: Moreover, journalctl is frequently now used in scripts, we cannot change the defaults really now, that would break all scripts. journalctl is

Re: [systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-18 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
В Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:42:52 +0200 Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net пишет: I am pretty sure doing the auto-paging thing (the same way as git, and others do it) improves end-user experience for most people. I mean, I think having arrow keys is the common case. Not having them is the

Re: [systemd-devel] Make journalctl start at the end of the journal by default

2014-08-18 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
On 18 August 2014 17:33, Andrei Borzenkov arvidj...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I find default (lack of) line wrapping quite annoying [...] I think line wrapping by default is really more user friendly. Agreed. I assume there was a good reason to add -S to the default pager options, but I