by itself, but I
would figure udev should kick it in via the setup link built in in most
cases - but I guess that wouldn't work inside containers, so perhaps
this is where things break down and you need it statically enabled).
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to override 99-default.link instead.
4. Gentoo went with number 3.
Now:
5. Can numbers 1 and 2 update to the suggestion of 3?
Feel free to update 2. I only did a naive find/replace on the wiki, but
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is that a general rule is easier to grok than
a per-directive rule, although I may have missed some important
subtleties and back discussion here.
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'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 25/02/14 13:29 did gyre and gimble:
On Tue, 25.02.14 13:05, Colin Guthrie (gm...@colin.guthr.ie) wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 24/02/14 22:08 did gyre and gimble:
* systemd will now understand the usual M, K, G, T suffixes
. This falls down quite
royally when you have multiple users tho'!
Hope that helps a bit.
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'Twas brillig, and Alec Leamas at 10/03/14 15:46 did gyre and gimble:
On 3/10/14, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Alec Leamas at 07/03/14 19:45 did gyre and gimble:
Sorry for not being clear. The priob
On 3/7/14, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote
option is for:
-I,--no-init-fallback
don't initialize even if restore fails
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!), and if you don't need this on
your system, then much like any systemd unit you don't want, you, as an
administrator, should just mask it.
systemctl mask alsa-store alsa-restore alsa-state
Job done.
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magically these days.
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, this is a pretty messy and not easy to configure and also
needs privileges to run so isn't nice from a security perspective.
All in all it's just easier to do the whole reuse the current vt thing
instead.
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be misread by novice users, especially if they are totally unaware of
what systemd is (they may never even have heard the name before) - not
everyone who needs to collect debug information is a developer after all.
Just a small thought.
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);
Line above the change line should have the ); removed...
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really revolve around
this, so I say just change it and move on with making things awesome and
don't waste time on this point of principle.
We can still know we're right without actually implementing it :p
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. Perhaps the
upstream unit could be tweaked? Perhaps RefuseManualStop is overkill?
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the same comment, but instead: +1. Some people
might *think* they are more secure than they really are. Visible logging
on each service start shouldn't be too horrible or spammy IMO.
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skipped).
In this case the side effect is actually calling fsck_exists().
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, then it
would likely fail.
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PS I'm only going on what Zbigniew said here - didn't actually look at
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--follow's 10 line limit!)
This is with a recent version of the 208-stable branch.
Can someone confirm is this is still a problem in more recent versions?
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though as per
Lennart's previous comments.
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daemon to only that user.
You can use e.g. tmpfiles to setup needed directories in /run (and
infact newer systemds can do some directory permission/creating
internally just from the unit contents too).
If this doesn't apply feel free to ignore :)
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as the building happens inside a chroot with the
latest packages, which includes latest ln.
Do you really build on an older node against older libs with older ln
etc? I would have thought you'd also have some kind of chroot on these
nodes when building too no?
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does quite simple matching, so it
might not do what you need anyway.
So I think a wrapper script is likely best here. Or some:
ExecStart=/bin/bash -c '...'
if you can encapsulate it simply enough within the ''.
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'Twas brillig, and Umut Tezduyar Lindskog at 13/05/14 18:37 did gyre and
gimble:
On Wednesday, May 7, 2014, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie
mailto:gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Umut Tezduyar Lindskog at 04/03/14 12:44 did gyre and
gimble:
Does
exported as a library,
so you'll likely have to compile and link all the sd-event.c code into
your project too.
It might help if you explain to the list what some source code
actually refers to!
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'Twas brillig, and Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek at 14/05/14 16:18 did
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On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 01:03:28PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
i.e. perhaps it should include details on when the last rotation occured
and perhaps why?
Maybe it'd be enough to increase the log level
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 23/04/14 16:12 did gyre and gimble:
Hiya,
A colleague pointed out an oddity in journalctl --since today --follow
output.
It seems the two arguments somewhat contradict each other: one asks for
all the output for today and the other asks for all future
at boot?
Via what mechanism did you trigger the fsck at boot (other than
/forcefsck)? e.g. did you pass fsck.mode=force on the kernel command
line (as the deprecated warning suggests)? Did this not trigger things
correctly?
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as this number is sort of irrelevant if the packager is doing
their job right regardless of the OOTB behaviour.
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approach but via the kernel command
line trigger instead. This would mean you wouldn't have to manually edit
and later restore your grub command line each time and, assuming /boot
is separate from /, you could trigger all this while / is mounted ro.
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? As mentioned above the
preset would be useful for the fresh install scenario, but upgrades
still have to be handled quite carefully and explicitly.
Don't get me wrong, it's not that much effort, but it's still a
gotcha to worry about!
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before banging head too much against the brick wall :D
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that's all as expected (although I'm kinda surprised it says wanted
by graphical.target, but that's likely just a cosmetic thing to try and
make sure it's already started when the login manager starts, which will
trigger it starting anyway).
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'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 02/07/14 14:07 did gyre and gimble:
I guess that as most people use initramfs', an extra
ConditionPathExists!=/run/initfamfs/skip-root-fsck wouldn't go astray,
and dracut+co could learn to touch that file if they've properly
analysed and taken care of root
this is no longer true and that units are generated for
sysv scripts even when native units exist already on disk?
If so, I'd suggest that that is a bug, but can you confirm this is the
behaviour you've observed?
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' directory layouts, so this be handled carefully).
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, long
time, should we avoid using the term both generally? Perhaps all is
better? I mean I'm not expecting IPv8 any time soon, but then people
thought two digits was enough space to represent the date too :p
Hardly the biggest issue in the world tho' :)
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natively by ExecStart, so it's wrapped in bash. Not ideal, but such is
life.
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and the like) it
might be something an administrator would want to override. That said,
AFAIK, there is no way to override this current with rpm scripts, so I
wonder if this is really something to bother supporting ongoing.
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'Twas brillig, and Tobias Geerinckx-Rice at 10/07/14 15:53 did gyre and
gimble:
On 10 July 2014 13:41, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek at 10/07/14 13:51 did
gyre and gimble:
An administrator might want to block a certain sysusers config
'Twas brillig, and Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek at 10/07/14 17:58 did
gyre and gimble:
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 04:18:15PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
I don't use RPM, but having your system's user policy consist of
running useradd in a pre-installation script seems... sub-optimal
the same check at runtime
If I cook up a patch will that be accepted?
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'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 20/07/14 22:31 did gyre and gimble:
Those defaults could be set from a compile time check of
login.defs too.
FWIW, at least here, /etc/login.defs is not readable by regular users so
any build system that builds as non-root won't even get those defaults
anyway
'Twas brillig, and Reindl Harald at 20/07/14 22:52 did gyre and gimble:
Am 20.07.2014 23:38, schrieb Colin Guthrie:
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 20/07/14 22:31 did gyre and gimble:
Those defaults could be set from a compile time check of
login.defs too.
FWIW, at least here, /etc
#n84
[2]
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/shadow-utils.git/commit/shadow-utils.login.defs?id=5d7612da5b7be0c7ce8bad72c4d69a8f347696db
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to add to
accountsservice too.
I guess it's OK to do this kind of user lookup stuff from the journal
code (i.e. server_fix_perms())?
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'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 23/07/14 11:29 did gyre and gimble:
If there was a /usr/share/factory/etc/login.defs with e.g. 500 boundary
point, then this file would presumably be copied in by tmpfiles to
populate /etc/login.defs
Of course one thing that makes this argument slightly
of a factory version of login.defs it should
really be setup with the same defaults that systemd has compiled in anyway.
So again, this is just furthering the argument that we *should* read
/etc/login.defs at runtime and the bootstrapping argument for not
doing so is not really valid.
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run sysctl for whatever reason
(not that I could think why, unless it fails when proc is ro or such
like - not checked)
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are still expected to be around for a while... perhaps this is
considered legacy too these days (not sure what the replacement would be
tho'!)?
Sorry if this thread is getting a bit annoying, but I am convinced by
most of the arguments now!
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Colin Guthrie wrote on 24/07/14 13:32:
If direct
parsing is NAKed perhaps it could just shell out to a
systemd-sysusers-getnewuserdetails command which spat out a uid:gid pair
(and took an optional --system argument), that way the parsing logic
only needs to live in one place.
This bit
for the other names returned by myhostname.
Seems sensible to me but will be interested to hear if there is a
counter argument.
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to find
yourself in (relying on a running service not crashng!), this at least
helps avoid nasty consequences for the most part while you work to fix
things.
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not have any circular dep
problems.
Perhaps things have moved on from the old days, or maybe I picked this
up wrong in the first place and this is not a concern.
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Stef Walter wrote on 06/08/14 13:44:
On 06.08.2014 14:23, Colin Guthrie wrote:
Stef Walter wrote on 06/08/14 12:23:
I've done initial work on adding polkit support to systemd1 DBus
methods.
Hmmm, I thought this was deliberately not included as it meant a
circular dep on polkit when
stuff itself, forking processes etc.
In my case the wpa_supplicant process not shown by systemctl status
network but it WAS running and in the appropriate cgroup.
I kinda forgot about this quirk when I fixed the initscript problem, so
good to see it wasn't just me!
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and seems to be fine for our uses. In my head not blocking seems
safer than ignoring deps, but I can understand the desire for the
service to be ready after the operation is complete... anyway in the
places where this was needed for us it didn't seem to matter in practice.
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more official infrastructure.
Not that I'm personally able to volunteer right at this moment, but
perhaps if you approve and put the call out some kind souls might oblige!
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', but be prepared for adapting your side as it
progresses! :)
That said, unless you are really interested in this solution for other
reasons, it seems like rather large hammer to crack this particular walnut!
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via systemctl... could be wrong tho'.
Anyway, the long and short of it is, that there is a lot already in
systemd related to this, so in theory it shouldn't be too hard to
integrate support, but I don't think there is something that does this
exactly at present.
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. Good to know as I was just
thinking about this stuff over the last few days.
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need in this case?
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...
I can hunt it down more specifically but no relevant commit message
mentioned debug so I figured I'd ask first and check if this is an
intentional change.
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Lennart Poettering wrote on 20/08/14 23:17:
On Wed, 20.08.14 20:43, Colin Guthrie (gm...@colin.guthr.ie) wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote on 20/08/14 01:59:
Heya!
This is a major new release. Among many other changes systemd-resolved
is now a pretty complete caching DNS and LLMNR stub
. But before I work on a
solution, would upstream be interested in preset supporting chkconfig?
If not, it's probably quicker and easier for me to do the work and
maintain it in scripts rather than systemctl itself, hence why I figured
I'd ask first.
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Lennart Poettering wrote on 26/08/14 02:19:
On Fri, 22.08.14 15:51, Colin Guthrie (gm...@colin.guthr.ie) wrote:
Hi,
I recently changed my %post scripts in Mageia to use systemctl preset
rather than systemctl enable to allow for policy-based overrides of
enable on install behaviour.
Sadly
for both.
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(and if you have no preference as to the name, that you can use the
one I already use ;)
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'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 16/07/13 17:01 did gyre and gimble:
Anyway, does that RPM macro sound good to you?
Sure, seems close enough :)
I can do a mass update to all our packages anyway so the slight change
in syntax isn't a problem.
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at the time Misc (and I've seen you twice in person since then
too!!)
Patches here. Can't check if it's upstream yet as rpmlint.zarb.org is
down for now...
http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/rpmlint/current/SOURCES/
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this smells like something you should trigger via a udev rule
instead. Certainly the starting of it (you can specify SYSTEMD_UNIT= to
make it start a unit on hotplug).
Not sure how you'd handle the killing of it (unless the SYSTEMD_UNIT
property magically stops it too?)
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happily before this has
happened. The system is still booting but I can login happily.
Does explain your confusion?
Perhaps posting a link to your plot svg would be useful?
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back. See the thread:
x-initrd.mount + shutdown umount logic question
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.systemd.devel/11210
In my case it was pretty much a cosmetic issue but you want a harder
exclusion I think...
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for explaing my situation more clear.
Thanks
Tony Seo
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these days.
Perhaps the ConditionVirtualization may be the more appropriate one
again these days?
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does this mean for me, a Developer? section on this page
which basically says exactly this:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/
Hope this explains it to you a little.
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. I need a clear knowledge about transaction stage.
I read a manpage which introduces a few contents of transaction, but I
would like to get more information about it.
Again, I don't really know what you are asking here...
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the status of the
respective service on all machines?
Not sure if it's a walk as such, but the outcome is exactly that yes.
I've not used clustat and such for a while tho', so am a bit rusty.
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This question was asked by a user trying to debug a problem with Java services
which required JAVA_HOME to be set.
---
man/systemd.exec.xml | 7 +++
1 file changed, 7 insertions(+)
diff --git a/man/systemd.exec.xml b/man/systemd.exec.xml
index c0e1d86..b78f255 100644
---
This question was asked by a user trying to debug a problem with Java services
which required JAVA_HOME to be set.
---
v2 Change the word set to inherited (from PID1) for clarity as to their
default values.
man/systemd.exec.xml | 8
1 file changed, 8 insertions(+)
diff --git
'Twas brillig, and Kay Sievers at 26/07/13 11:03 did gyre and gimble:
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Kay Sievers k...@vrfy.org wrote:
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Colin Guthrie co...@mageia.org wrote:
This question was asked by a user trying to debug a problem with Java
services
the kernel.
So there is no option for this because there is no need.
All the best
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the logic needed at runtime
if/when it's called would be better.
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Trac
in the other.
Mount units have to be named specially after their mount points, so be
careful there e.g. if the mount point is /mnt/mymountpoint then the unit
should be called mnt-mymountpoint.mount
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for it like it would for other mounts...
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be that
the / mountpoint is handled more specially in systemd tho' (I've not
looked at the code that closely).
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'Twas brillig, and lux-integ at 01/08/13 11:53 did gyre and gimble:
On Wednesday 31 July 2013 14:36:25 Colin Guthrie wrote:
Mount units have to be named specially after their mount points, so be
careful there e.g. if the mount point is /mnt/mymountpoint then the unit
should be called mnt
as with sysvinit - just set the options in fstab.
Or if you don't want an fstab then set the options in the -.mount unit
instead.
The systemd-remount-fs.service will then basically be a no-op if the
options don't change.
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/ (and /etc/rc?.d/) will be processed and the scripts
there in automatically converted to units in /run/systemd/system/ if
sysvinit support is complied into systemd. If such support is not
compiled in, it will indeed be ignored as Tom said.
/etc/inittab will always be ignored.
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Restart=always in the unit, it kept going and going and going...
Not the nicest experience.
Surely if you try and start a template unit without any instance it
should simply fail rather than default to the unit name?
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'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 09/08/13 12:02 did gyre and gimble:
'Twas brillig, and Tom Gundersen at 08/08/13 18:08 did gyre and gimble:
On 8 Aug 2013 17:57, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org
mailto:tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
Am 08.08.2013 15:19, schrieb Michal Sekletar:
Calling
'Twas brillig, and Ben Greear at 20/08/13 22:46 did gyre and gimble:
Does anyone know what package or thing was doing the
text prompt on the serial console?
It happens automatically based on kernel command line params as far as I
know...
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or
any mount options to check...
See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.systemd.devel/11210 and
more recently
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.systemd.devel/12048 for
similar topics.
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'Twas brillig, and Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek at 21/08/13 14:17 did
gyre and gimble:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 06:03:34PM +0800, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie
wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek at 21/08/13 04:38
the pam_systemd stuff is
configured properly. Never tried this kind of autologin but I don't
think I'm talking too much nonsense :D
HTHs
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