Re: t-and-f: IAAF Coverage of World Juniors?

My partner Jim Spier and I are here in Santiago and plan coverage on the web of the Juniors. As of now, we too have not seen a start list but there are two press events today, one at noon, a press conference with Lamine Diack, IAAF President and other general press conference this afternoon.

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

Netters In my last post I wrote: Or Suzy choked up, crashed and burned Ed Parrot then responded: Saying that she "choked" is impossible to either prove or disprove and thus seems kind of pointless. My apologies for being unclear in my meaning when I used "choked up." I did not mean

t-and-f: No of total Performances

Hi, I have count every occurrence of all athletes present on my website http://www.algonet.se/~pela2 and down below is a top-10 list for both men and women. Included in my totals is ancillary jumps/throws, splits, disqulifications, wind-aided marks, indoor marks and of course regulary marks.

t-and-f: Year 2000 Marathon Lists Updated

Track Listers and RRW Subscribers, The year 2000 marathon performance lists have been updated for at the Race Results Weekly web site to include results from Amsterdam, Beijing, Carpi, Milano, Istanbul, Lyon, Honfleur, Hartford, Toronto, Detroit, Chantilly, Essen, Graz, and Weott. You can

t-and-f: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:52:52 -0400

John Treacy won the silver in the marathon in 1984 in his first marathon ever I believe ... one of the fastest, most competitive marathons ever in the Olympics (three under 2:10). That was just 16 years ago (not 46) ... but something happened 3 years later that made it almost impossible to win

t-and-f: Olympic Marathons

The suspense is killing me..what happened in 1987? Or are you asking too? Or have I missed something blindingly obvious? Justin -- From: Mcewen, Brian T Reply To: Mcewen, Brian T Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 3:53 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

RE: t-and-f: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:52:52 -0400

Yes it was John's first Marathon. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mcewen, Brian T Sent: 16 October 2000 15:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:52:52 -0400 John Treacy won the silver in the marathon

Re: t-and-f: Re:Angry White Lesbians

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My initial reaction to the ad was one of shock and revulsion. I know the ad is meant to be somewhat surreal but the implied violence is sickening and out of place for a SNEAKER ad. JT I think this reaction shows what I (or apparently Nike) never

Re: t-and-f: Re:Angry White Lesbians

Justin wrote: Hi All My reaction was the same as JT's. Jumping on the intelligent earlier post from Kathy Rounds just because no actual chainsaw wielding manaics have been spotted in the news recently is insulting and absurd. Although some list members seem to find the fact trivial,

Re: t-and-f: Olympic Marathons

Justin Clouder wrote: The suspense is killing me..what happened in 1987? Or are you asking too? Or have I missed something blindingly obvious? Justin -- From: Mcewen, Brian T Reply To: Mcewen, Brian T Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 3:53 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

Justin wrote: The suspense is killing me..what happened in 1987? Or are you asking too? Or have I missed something blindingly obvious? Ah EPO became available. It was so much more effective than blood-doping, and you could drive your hematocrit up so much higher (than

Re: t-and-f: No of total Performances

Peter Larsson wrote: Hi, I have count every occurrence of all athletes present on my website http://www.algonet.se/~pela2 and down below is a top-10 list for both men and women. Included in my totals is ancillary jumps/throws, splits, disqulifications, wind-aided marks, indoor marks and

RE: t-and-f: Re:Angry White Lesbians

In my experience, which in this case means 8 years working in advertising agencies, all or some of the following are used as excuses when an ad is run which causes offence or proves to be hopelessely miscalculated: "The target demographic got it with no problem" "It's an ironic comment on

t-and-f: Mo Greene

I asked the question shortly after the 100 meter final of where people now place Mo in terms of all time 100 sprinters .. At that time there was virtually no response .. I am throwing the question out again .. In looking at his championship record this weekend I realized that in his 3

t-and-f: Re:Angry White Lesbians

Netters The ad was in appropriate. The angry white lesbians are in appropriate. I wouldn't let my children (ages 10, 7, 3) watch Hallowe'en of Friday the 13th or any of that ilk. One because they do contain to much violence. Two because they represent the most base and stupid of

t-and-f: A change....

Do you think the subject heading "Angry White Lesbians" can be changed, so I dont continually think its another porno site advertisement If someone already requested this, please forgive me! Dave Cohen

t-and-f: DII Results

Complete results from the North Central Conference Championships can be found at: http://www.sdstate.edu/whpr/http/track/results/nccmen_00.html , and http://www.sdstate.edu/whpr/http/track/results/nccwomen_00.html . Race was Saturday, 10/14 in Fargo, ND. Men's team champ was South Dakota State

RE: t-and-f: No of total Performances

Hi, First, here is the numbers of the runners Conway asking about: Sebastian Coe 50 occurrences place 115 Steve Ovett 35 occurrences place 35 Said Aouita 63 occurrences place 77 Steve Cram 59 occurrences place 89 + Morceli 106 occurrences place 37 Gebrselassie 91 occurrences place 43 Komen 87

RE: t-and-f: Mo Greene

Yeah, can't believe I missed this first time I would not yet place Greene above Lewis, although I am sure I will do so in just a few more years. I just don't think Mo has been around enough yet - he's had 4 years at the top, whereas Lewis was the dominant force in 100m running for an entire

Re: t-and-f: Angry White Lesbians

In a message dated 10/13/00 7:53:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: QUESTION? Why aren't they protesting the HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS who made the films from which the ad parody was based? Seems to me the logical target. Maybe it's because one makes a conscious decision to go to a movie theater

t-and-f: Re: Angry White Lesbians

In a message dated 10/16/00 12:57:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the degree of reality, I have difficulty believing that there have been a lot of large, chainsaw-wielding, hockey-mask wearing men running through the dark woods chasing an obviously fast woman in

t-and-f: What's the deal?!

Now, I'm a track and field guy at heart, but how come arguable the No. 2 NCAA Cross Country meet took place this weekend and I have seen no results on this server, no comment, not even one snide comment? Jorge Torres wins. Stanford men gets pushed to third overall getting beat by Colorado

t-and-f: Re:Angry White Lesbians

In a message dated 10/16/00 12:57:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My kids (ages 8,7,5) saw the ad and they thought it was cool, even my 7 year old daughter. They watched "Halloween" a few nights later with the lights out, at their request, and ate popcorn. They

Re: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

In a message dated Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:10:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah EPO became available. It was so much more effective than blood-doping, and you could drive your hematocrit up so much higher (than re-injecting your own RBC's)

Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

In a message dated 10/16/00 12:50:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. My all time top 5 list reads: Bob Hayes Maurice Greene Carl Lewis Linford Christie Valery Borzov What do others think ?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think once you are a

BEST 100M EVER/Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

Conway Hill wrote: I asked the question shortly after the 100 meter final of where people now place Mo in terms of all time 100 sprinters . I am throwing the question out again .. In looking at his championship record this weekend I realized that in his 3 championship finals (2 Worlds an 1

t-and-f: World Juniors Web Site

Initial stuff is up and running ..we'll have results an d features throughout the week as well as photos www.nationalscholastic.org left column says World Juniors, then Photo Gallery for photos. Jim Spier

Re: t-and-f: Re:Angry White Lesbians

In a message dated 10/15/2000 6:15:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If someone is offended by an ad and wants to complain, that is their right. Given how poorly we think that networks/marketers have identified what Americans want to watch, it shouldn't surprise us

Re: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

Viren set a WR in the 10K in 72 and came back to win a very competitive 5K. Does that one count? Bill Bahnfleth At 01:40 PM 10/16/2000 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong. 1987 was the beginning of the rise of the Kenyans. Often the victims in last lap sprints in championship races, they

RE: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

Sideshow said: "An athlete could no longer just cruise through 9600 meters and then kick, and then come back in the 5K." When has any male athlete ever cruised through 24 laps and then kicked the field down in the last 300-400 of the Olympic 10k? Then came back in the 5k? In relatively

Re: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

On Mon, 16 October 2000, "Mcewen, Brian T" wrote: The ability to run faster (due to higher RBC's) breaks down the muskulo-skeletal system too much to attempt 2-3 rounds of a 5k after doing the 10k ... not to mention attempting the marathon. Is this statement based on research, or are you

Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

From: Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob Hayes Maurice Greene Carl Lewis Linford Christie Valery Borzov What do others think ?? flame suit on Where's Big Ben? /flame suit off cheers, Elliott

Re: t-and-f: What's the deal?!

Mike, This is the exact problem with our sport and the problem with the "track net". Our supposed "die hard fans" are too busy talking about irrelevant things like a Nike commercials rather than xc track races. When I first joined this list, I read 100% of the messages because the list was

Re: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

On 16 Oct 2000, Jay Ulfelder wrote: And that's really the point, isn't it? After all, one would typically assume that the body would adapt to the new, more intense stimulus, so that, for example, a 27:30 10K would feel to a "doped" athlete like a 28:15 does to a "non-doped" athlete. Only if

t-and-f: Best X-C Team Ever from Texas to Race at Michigan with a 1st Year Coach From Jersey...

Long title, The honor goes to Coach Jason Vigilante's University of Texas Longhorns. Coach Vig undoubtedly quelled the rioting hordes in Austin that were rampaging after the football massacre in the Red River Rivalry. Less than a week later, still smarting from the Sooner slaughter, the

Subject: t-and-f: Re:Nike Ad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, this is an obvious, classic case of a double standard [The old subject header was not appropriate.] I have a very pragmatic response, in which I want to support Justin Clouder. This ad was essentially the most shocking scene out of the R-rated teen

Re: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

sideshow wrote: "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah EPO became available. It was so much more effective than blood-doping . . . Wrong. 1987 was the beginning of the rise of the Kenyans. Often the victims in last lap sprints in championship races, they began taking the

Re: Subject: t-and-f: Re:Nike Ad

I have a very pragmatic response, in which I want to support Justin Clouder. This ad was essentially the most shocking scene out of the R-rated teen horror flicks. I can respect those who feel the ad was inappropriate, but let's not overdo it. This scene was not even in the top 100 most

RE: t-and-f: Angry White Lesbians

There are more chainsaws in an Itchy Scratchy cartoon. This whole topic reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Marge tried to stop production of this cartoon as she felt it was harmful to children. Of course - the kids (who weren't asked their opinion) loved the show and had the common

t-and-f: Arkansas hires new coach

Found this on Arkansas' website. Williamson Named Assistant Track and Field Coach UA Sports Information- Wednesday, October 11, 2000 --- FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. – Doug Williamson, who previously served as assistant men’s track and field coach at the University of Arkansas from 1981-1985, has

Re: t-and-f: GP vs. Olympics?

Anyone with a shoe contract probably has the standard $5, $3, $2 bonuses for gold, silver, and bronze respectively so there is some pretty significant money to be made from performing well at the Olympics. Kevin Sullivan In a message dated 10/7/00 7:57:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: World Juniors Timetable

The timetable in ms word 97 seems to be the old timetable...but the new one is there if you click on each day...I Iassume its the new one...because they have removed the 1mW heats Rehards Lionel Lionel PetersEditor - World Junior Athletics NewsE-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fax >From UK

Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

Elliot wrote: flame suit on Where's Big Ben? /flame suit off cheers, Elliott Ben got caught .. And in the process his best years were taken away .. And even if I had considered those I probably wouldn't have placed him in this group of 5 as he only had 2 great years .. Ran 2 great times /

Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

Mike Platt wrote: I think once you are a busted druggie and general bitterman you should be off all lists. I take it that was aimed at Christie .. His suspension took place after his competitive days therefore I left him on my list .. Anything else would be speculation .. And if we are going

t-and-f: top 100m people

Ben got caught .. And in the process his best years were taken away .. And even if I had considered those I probably wouldn't have placed him in this group of 5 as he only had 2 great years .. Ran 2 great times / races .. And won only 2 medals of any sort .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Re: What's the deal?!

In a message dated 10/16/00 4:40:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's get off the whole Nike commercial thing and move on. There is an exciting new NCAA CC season going on and it seems we are all missing it. And this is on the server that is easily distance

t-and-f: World Indoors

Netters: Could use some information on 2001 world indoor meet---datyes, site, etc. Ed Grant

Re: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

How bout this for an explanation as to why doubles in the 5 and 10 are rare nowadays. With the emergence of the Africans (not just Kenyans, but Ethiopians and Morrocans, etc.) on a large scale, there are much greater numbers of athletes at the very top of the sport. Therefore, to win both

Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

Not sure what you classify as medals. However Ben Johnson won bronze (.03 quicker would have got silver) at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics with an injured hamstring. He also won bronze in the 4x100M relay at the Los Angeles Olympics. Gold and World Record at the 1987 World Championships.

Re: t-and-f: What's the deal?!

So does anybody who ran this past weekend anywhere in a collegiate meet at any of the tens of dozens of colleges across the entire continent of North America have a rat's patutty of a chance to finish in the top 50 at the World Cross Champs in March? If not, then I'd rather talk about what the

t-and-f: NASTY CAUCASIAN HETEROSEXUAL

How about abbreviating Angry White Lesbians to A.W.L or something thereabouts...gotta say that as a title for a track and field thread, it bugs me...maybe if we were all a bunch of homophobic 16 year olds it'd be a great tag line. one nasty caucasian heterosexual, Mike - Original Message

t-and-f: Re: Where are results? And ohh yeah, Walking

Netters, My very best friend Mantis asked yet again another question, to which i will provide a straight forward answer. Again in attempt to educate Do these numbers include those old people who walk in the mall? No they don't. The figure maintained by the National Sporting Goods

t-and-f: PRE- NCAA XC UNDERCLASSMEN/WOMEN

WOW!!! A handful of frosh and soph athletes made quite a splash at this weekend's pre-NCAA XC invite held in Ames, Iowa this past Saturday. In the men's race, CO soph, Jorge Torres won by 17 SECONDS as soph teamate, Steve Slattery nailed down 6th, holding off number one frosh finisher, Louie

Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not think Libford is near the top 5 either. He won 2 majors (commendable), but other than that he was a participant in some of the greatest races ever run. He never truly dominanted his event at any point. [snip] Dennis Mitchell. That´s right I said

Fw: t-and-f: Re: Where are results? And ohh yeah, Walking

0.07% of 70 million is 49,000, not 490,000 (but who's counting). Floyd Highfill -Original Message- From: Michael Rohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Posts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: t-and-f: Re: Where are results? And ohh yeah, Walking Netters, My

Re: t-and-f: What's the deal?!

In a message dated 10/16/00 8:51:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At the top of elite-dom, is the XC distance so specialized that people like Ngeny and El Guerrouj could not realisticly be competitive? RT With a little tweaking to their training they would not

t-and-f: World Juniors Day 1 Revised Schedule and US Entrants

2000 World Juniors - Day 1 Schedule and US Entrants Morning Session 8:45am Hammer ThrowWomen Qual Kate Johnston, Carrie Soong 10:20 100 Women Round 1 Khalilah Carpenter, Consuella Moore 10:50 100

t-and-f: D-II Rankings

Week #6 (October 8-14) NCAA Division II cross-country regional and national rankings are now posted at: http://d2rankings.homestead.com -- Brian Kavanaugh Multi-Option Systems, Inc. 11920 Burt Street, Suite 100 Omaha, NE 68154-1598 (402) 431-8000 / (800) 551-MOSI [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work)

Re: t-and-f: Re:Angry White Lesbians

In a message dated 10/16/2000 11:53:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think this reaction shows what I (or apparently Nike) never expected which is that a lot of people are out of touch with mainstream pop culture. For me the ad was instantly recognizable as a spoof of very common media

t-and-f: And ohh yeah, Walking

Netters Floyd pointed out that I wrote: 0.07% of 70 million is 49,000, not 490,000 (but who's counting). Call me a bone head please! I did the math devising the 7 million by the 5 hundred thousand and get .071 which of course would be .71 % .07%. I never was very good at math The

Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

Forgetting the drugs, Ben certainly moves into at least a tie with Greene and Christie. Christie has both of them beat for longevity, but has only one OG/WC win. Benclearly has the fastest time, but judged only on what he actually did, he is in the same ballpark as these guys for overall

Re: t-and-f: Real Horror

Speaking of horrific training schedules. Wasn't Emil Zatopek doing something like this: Everyday ran 40 x 400m in training. Other workouts: 20 x 200m, followed by 40 x 400m, then another 20 x 200m all followed by a 200m jog recovery. The man loved pain. He is runner, he is man. Alan

Re: RE: t-and-f: Angry White Lesbians

In a message dated 10/16/2000 5:28:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This whole topic reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Marge tried to stop production of this cartoon as she felt it was harmful to children. Of course - the kids (who weren't asked their opinion) loved the show and had

t-and-f: FinishLynx NCAA Division I Women's Cross Country National Poll #5

FinishLynx/NCAA DIVISION I WOMEN'S CROSS COUNTRY NATIONAL POLL (Conducted by the Women's Cross Country Coaches Association)2000 Poll #5 October 16, 2000 RankingTeam (first place votes) Points 1. Brigham Young (12)300 2. Stanford 288 3. Wisconsin

Re: t-and-f: What's the deal?!/XC

Somewhat related to Saturday's Pre-Nats. In the B race, William and Mary's Todd Swenson showed himself to be in better shape than last fall, leading contemplative minds to think of the upcoming track season. I believe Todd has run in the 4:0_s for the mile. Bearing in mind that he was sired by

t-and-f: Angry White Simpsons :)

Don't have a cow man. I think a LOT of people could look to the Simpsons for guidance. :) Quite a few things about the list could be considered Simpsons-esque! - Studious trombone player Lisa - perhaps like a field eventer or almost any female athlete - is considered to be uncool/unimportant

Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

The most dominant sprinters we have seen in our time are Carl, Mo, and Frankie. Big time performers have been Carl, Mo, Valery, Donovan (ugh), and Dennis Mitchell. That´s right I said Dennis. Check the records and you will find him everywhere. Check American records and you cannot see a

t-and-f: Mo Greene

"As Ben eased up in the Seoul Final at 80M, his performance speaks for itself and five of the eight finalists at Seoul have now been publicly linked to drug use, so he was competing on a level playing field. What you saw at Seoul was what you got." Can someone explain this one to ol

Re: BEST 100M EVER/Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

How can I transfer the listserv posts to another screen name? Please respond privately. David

Re: t-and-f: What's the deal?!/XC

No. I'm not claiming that this is the first, but it has been done before at least once. From http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42314/i-intatb.htm 3.53.1hA Kipchoge Keino KEN 400117 1 Kisumu 670910 3.52.33 Martin Keino KEN 720620 6 Oslo 960705 Bill Bahnfleth At 11:14 PM 10/16/00 -0400, Dale

t-and-f: Oct 16 NCAA WOMEN'S CROSS COUNTRY COACHES' POLL ANALYSIS

NCAA WOMEN'S CROSS COUNTRY COACHES' POLL ANALYSIS by Mike Scott Updated October 17. Next update scheduled for 10/31 (after conference championships). Here's an analysis of the NCAA female harrier teams, which I am doing for the 4th year. I have listed the top-10 teams according to the NCAA

t-and-f: HS Coaching Job

Marymount High School in Bel Air, CA (directly behind UCLA) is looking for two assistant track coaches: distance, and sprints or throws. Visit their website to see last years results: http://www.mhs-la.org/pe/teamsports/tfindex.html Interested parties contact Liz Driscoll, Athletic Director

t-and-f: World Juniors

Although there are no U.S. entrants in the women's 800, Tanya Wright of Canada (Rice University) is entered. She is three-time Canadian national junior champion in the event, and finished 3rd this past summer in the Canadian Olympic Trials at the same distance. Many Canadians who qualified for

Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

Mitchell is hard to include as he only had two Bronzes. Does he rank ahead of Burrell who had two Wr's and indoor WR and WC Silver? Mitchell did make Oly finals in 88., 92, and 96 (i think). --Kebba From: peter stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] The most dominant sprinters we have seen in our time are

Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene

Darrell, How can you eliminate Linford from the top five saying he didn't dominate his event, and then in the same post call Frankie dominant. That's ludicrous, Frankie only won one championship and it wasn't even a 100m. Mitchell never placed higher than third in a major championships