Who was the last male junior beating a WR?
I have a name but he didn't have the WJR!
I think Moses Kiptanui (21) is the youngest recordholder in 3000m steeple
(8.02.08-92).
Hans-Erik Pettersson
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From: Mcewen, Brian T [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey help me out here. Last week, or maybe 2 weeks ago now, when someone
wrote about the education of Pre I was wondering, did Steve Prefontaine
gradute with a degree from Oregon?
Does anyone know in what subject? Thanks, Dave Ponas
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Stephen Cherono (date of birth 15Oct82) set a world junior record in
the
3000 steeple of 7:58.66 at Van Damme meet last Friday.
Digging a little deeper, I checked the All-Time list for Juniors that I had
in my file, printed off for 4/01/2000 and saw this:
#1 8:07.69 Paul Kosgei
Who's to say that these Kenyans are actually 16-19? There's a reason why
Kenyans tend to drop in times when they are in their mid 20s...1. Are
actually probably 30 and not 25, 2. After so many years of top level
running, whether you start at 16 or 20 you tend to fizzle out. Check road
race
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Who's to say that these Kenyans are actually 16-19?
Right. I know this.
Supposedly Moses Kiptanui is 30 right now ... but he hasn't been near his
best in years ... that is because he is NOT 30. Ditto for Kirui and Haile
Gebrselassie.
The same goes for most of the African who were World
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Nitra, Slovakia
8/25
men
100 m: A-race (+2.8): 1. Barbour GBR 10.27, 2. Jensen (USA) 10.48, 3.
Brinarsky (SVK) 10.59, 4. Vanderka (SVK) 10.69,
200 m (+1,8): 1. Barbour 20.78, 2. Jensen 20.99
400 m (hand timing): 1. Brew (USA) 44.9 - meeting record, 2. M. Campbell
(USA) 45.3,
In a message dated Wed, 29 Aug 2001 2:44:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mcewen, Brian
T [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The same goes for most of the African who were World Junior Champions in the last
decade. They are entered in the WJChamps because they need experience at the elite
level ...
Maybe Entine is right ... we have no chance, and should just give up
before
we fall further behind. We have no chance of ever getting a 16 year old
to
go 8:19 or even a 19 year old to go 7:58.
Yep, and no chance of ever getting someone to run 3:53, either.
Never say never, just figure out
This is all well and good, but makes me wonder how the Kenyans and
Ethiops can dominate the Senior ranks without first having good Juniors.
What magical process do they undergo after they leave their teen years that
turns them into ass-kicking machines?
OF COURSE they have good juniors (as in
Alan Tobin wrote:
Who's to say that these Kenyans are actually 16-19? There's a reason why Kenyans
tend to drop in times when they are in their mid 20s...1. Are
actually probably 30 and not 25, 2. After so many years of top level running, whether
you start at 16 or 20 you tend to fizzle out.
Brian wrote:
MAN THOSE KENYANS ARE GOOD! It is no wonder Cherono could crack 8:00-flat
when he was already at 8:19 at just 16 years old.
Most North Americans couldn't steeple a 9:40 at 16 years old.
Maybe Entine is right ... we have no chance, and should just give up
before
we fall
From: Mcewen, Brian T [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's just that the ones you see winning the junior championships in XC and
track are not actually 19.
Tell me that you believe a 16 year old can run 8:19 or 27:43 (as the
records
would have you believe) and I will shut up ... there won't be any point in
I believe I have mentioned this quote before. It is directly from John
Korir (if you don't know who he is... do a search)
We have our real age and then the age we tell the white man
That and if you ask him what his age is on one day he responds with:
Today I feel very good. Today I am 19
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year olds to go 7:58 .. But that doesn't mean we give up nor that the
fight has been lost .. Our goal it would seem would be to get 25 year
olds
to 8:10 and then 28/29 year olds to 7:58 .. Not that would be more
plausible
..
I agree. I had a teammate that loved to say how Jim Ryan had peaked by his
early 20s and ndver got any better, so he wasn't that great. My retort was
who cares when his peak was? The guy was a WR holder and the best of his
time. If Alan Webb peaks in 2008, breaks an AR along the way and
Brian McEwen writes:
Tell me that you believe a 16 year old can run 8:19 or 27:43 (as the records would
have you believe) and I will shut up
No, i don't believe it. But then, I don't believe anybody of any age can run 12:39 or
26:22 either!
How do you think the rest of the world feels
On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Kebba Tolbert wrote:
I understand what you mean, but to me our goal should be to get athletes to
7:58 or faster at any age. who cares if they're 19, 21, 23, or 25? Again, no
one balks when 20-23 yr olds run 44-low, 20.1-20.2, 10.10 or faster. the
focus should be on
GH,
I was there when Obea ran it! I also followed his career from Age Group TF
through his high school years. He ran and my nephew competed in a lot of
the same meets, except that my nephew is a few years older than Obea. I
also know Obea's mother very well. We sat and talked at many of
Garry wrote:
If there's a reason that Euros and Americans hang on much longer (which the
run-of-the-mill internationalists do) it's becuase they haven't made enough
to retire. The Kenyans do: one becuase they win significant prize money and
two becuase what seems like a little money here is
Hey help me out here. Last week, or maybe 2 weeks ago now, when someone
wrote about the education of Pre I was wondering, did Steve Prefontaine
graduate with a degree from Oregon?
Does anyone know in what subject? Thanks, Dave Ponas
I'm sure that someone will have more
Has anyone else heard about this? If it's true, that seems like a slow time
for the Ethiopian championships, unless it was a strategic race or there was
poor terrain. If true, it'll be interesting to see what he can do at the
World 1/2 marathon championships.
Here's the link:
In a message dated Wed, 29 Aug 2001 5:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Hanks, Jeffrey
S [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has anyone else heard about this? If it's true, that seems like a slow time
for the Ethiopian championships, unless it was a strategic race or there was
poor terrain.
If it
gh wrote:
Brian McEwen writes:
Tell me that you believe a 16 year old can run 8:19 or 27:43 (as the
records would have you believe) and I will shut up.
No, i don't believe it. But then, I don't believe anybody of any age can
run 12:39 or 26:22 either!
How do you think the rest of the world
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Olympic gold medalist,
Obviously some, if not many, of the African Juniors of the past 15 years have not been
juniors. Moses Kiptanui was definitely not 19 back in '91. There was NO WAY that Addis
Abebe was 19 back in '89. Dude had a receding hairline (Okay, so did the Mastalir's in
high school, but that's
You guys also have to remember that the majority of American's don't start
running until their freshman year of high school. I was 15 in October of my
freshman year... meaning I had run for a year by the time I was 16. When,
lets say a Kenyan runs 13:low at, say 19, he may have been running
Something that struck me with awe when I first noticed it in one of
Quercetani's historical volumes is that Bill Miller, later to place first in
the 1932 Olympics, vaulted 13-2 5/8 (4.02) at age 15 (15!) (born in November
1912, meet in April 1928), 13th in the world for that year.
Bill Allen
Kebba wrote:
Of course they can. No one think anything of it when a US kid runs 10.30
or
11.30 or 22.80. It all depends on the events and what your view of the
world
is. Our mindset about distance running in the US is all wrong. we get
excited and train our athletes for the wrong things --
In a message dated 8/29/01 5:56:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If it was in Addis Adaba (altitude 7900ft) it becomes a truly AWESOME time.
Wait - didn't we just conclude that altitude's effect on distance times is
only pyschological? ;-) (Geb must have a hell of a psyche).
Jim Gerweck
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