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Re: t-and-f: long jump with a flip

I can tell you who. Dave Neilson,head track coach at Idaho State and Stacey Dragilla's coach, made the front cover of several track magazines with his somersault jump. I don't remember his longest jump, but I know that there could be a big difference between his longest and shortest jump of the

Re: t-and-f: long jump with a flip

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:57:36 -0500 (CDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: long jump with a flip Someone who knows far more about track than I do wrote: I seem to recall that long jump with a flip looked like a mechanical

Re: t-and-f: long jump with a flip

When I was maybe 10 or 11 (which would have been about 1975 or 1976), my father took me to the Mason-Dixon games in Louisville. Someone there was doing the somersault and I thought it was absolutely the coolest thing I had ever seen. If I remember correctly, it was just an exhibition. I wish I

t-and-f: banned high jump technique

I don't have any citations for this, but I seem to recall anecdotal reports that gymnastic experts using a series of flips and a two-footed takeoff (illegal per IAAF rules) have been able to achieve extraordinary heights near or better than eight feet.

t-and-f: Interview with Cliff Rovelto

Trackshark recently conducted an interview with Cliff Rovelto, the head coach at Kansas State. Rovelto also talks about how he came about to being the eventual head coach at K-State and what can be done about the new NCAA regional format. You can view all the interviews at:

t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

I've often wanted to be rich. Not just for the ease of life and such, but also so I could sponsor some cool ideas I've wondered about. One of these would be a track meet with much simpler rules than we have now. The idea of track, it seems to me, is to see who can huck that iron ball farther, who

Re: t-and-f: long jump with a flip

Delamere was the one I remember getting all the headlines, the new technique vaulting him into national-level NCAA contention, and TV analysts giving a great deal more airplay to the LJ than they would ordinarily do. It was presented as 'possibly the breakthough for the LJ that Fosbury did for

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

I'll bet on the Russian ballet dancers to win the high jump. John Jones, Carleton wrote: I've often wanted to be rich. Not just for the ease of life and such, but also so I could sponsor some cool ideas I've wondered about. One of these would be a track meet with much simpler rules than we

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

Buck, I heard Frank Potts tell the story of going to an international meet and a Japanese pole vaulter walked up to the pit (probably saw dust), placed his pole in the box, shimmied up the pole, and dropped over the bar, winning the event. They passed a rule- one hand must be fixed in place. Can a

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

Gang It seems to me that that story is apocryphal (though amusing). Once the pole has been shimmied up, the vaulter would need to get some velocity in the direction of the bar in order to clear it. That would seem to be a neat trick. Perhaps one of our lurking physicists can figure out how to do

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

From: John Lunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buck, I heard Frank Potts tell the story of going to an international meet and a Japanese pole vaulter walked up to the pit (probably saw dust), placed his pole in the box, shimmied up the pole, and dropped over the bar, winning the event. They passed a

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

I've always wanted to see a meet where the runners ran distances that made more logical sense than 400, 800, and 1,500. I think a 1-2-3-5-10 progression makes more sense. 100-200-300-500-1000-2000-3000-5000-1. And what the hell - we could keep the mile just for grins. Lee I've often

t-and-f: banned high jump technique

This was quite a while ago, even for me. I remember a gymnast at the U. of Illinois breaking the world record (in a gym, not in a track meet) with a two footed takeoff. This must have been just before 7 feet was exceeded, and the gymnast exceeded 7 feet. It was the subject of an article in a

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

I agree, except eliminate the 300, keep the 3K as a Steeple and you'd even have the same number of events. Most importantly, start making tracks 500m and this would be perfect. I think the quarter milers and half milers might be a tad miffed at the extra 25% distance of their races, however :)

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

I think you should run the mile like the jumps. Open the track for a couple of hours and make as many attempts as you like... At 09:04 AM 11/8/2002 -0700, Jones, Carleton wrote: I've often wanted to be rich. Not just for the ease of life and such, but also so I could sponsor some cool ideas

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

I've always wanted to see a meet where the runners ran distances that made more logical sense than 400, 800, and 1,500. I think a 1-2-3-5-10 progression makes more sense. 100-200-300-500-1000-2000-3000-5000-1. Don't wish too hard! It's already here (almost). The CIS/CIAU (Canadian

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

gh still gets credit for the absolute best track event that doesn't exist -- the 500m run without lanes. Participants start on an arc at the 100m start and try to beat each other to the tangent at the far end of the track just past the finish. From there, the runners duke it out directly against

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

I've long been an advocate of the 500, mainly because it would make for a long sprint that's actually exciting. There's nothing more thrilling than watching guys duelling down the backstretch at high speed in a 4x4, but when you put them in lanes it sucks just about every last bit of thrill out of

RE: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

I'd like to see a running pentathlon: 100, 400, 800, 1,500, 5,000 with a points table. Or maybe a steeple instead of the 800 or 1,500. A few years ago this local high school kid ran a strong leg on a sub-41 sprint relay and was a pretty good cross country runner (16:40 or so for 5,000 meters). He

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

Most importantly, start making tracks 500m and this would be perfect. Until this happens and ignoring history (we're creating new events, remember?), why wouldn't we run 1600m internationally instead of 1500m? Ever since I was a kid (but not at the Mason-Dixon games, which I am sure were in

RE: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

I believe that there were many 500m tracks in continental Europe in the early 20th century. However, modern track and field was essentially a British sport (and one that was developed to suit the needs of England's gambling-mad upper classes) and so their 1/4 mile track became the standard with

RE: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

The double decathlon has all of the standard running events and more. If it were done as a two-person event with one competitor doing the field events and one the track events, you'd have your wish X 2. http://www.dmultis.org/rules.htm Bill Bahnfleth At 02:07 PM 11/8/2002 -0500, Bloomquist,

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

If the 400 has proven capable of being highly entertaining in a relay setting, why not stick with the distance and just run it with a waterfall start? It works for the 800. If you increase the 400 by 25%, you're getting far enough away from sprint territory that you'll basically end up with a

Re: t-and-f: Fwd: woman marathoner dies

My wife's experience included going back to swimming after giving birth. She used to swim 3,000 to 5,000 yard 4-5 day a week. She found that much more difficult when nursing. The citation on damage from marathoning was an article I saw last summer. I'm afraid that I probably can't retrieve

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

Nick Setta, 5-11/177, Notre Dame kicker might still make for a good candidate for your running pentathlon. I always thought Setta could have potentially been a great decathlete, but I'm not sure if he ever did the PV. But the way he has been kicking this year, he might as well try it.

t-and-f: Davis-Potts Libraries - Again

Hi Guys, Just wanted you to know that all books ordered will be going out next Tuesday. I have been quite ill with a cold over the past 3 days but I am feeling much better now. I was unable to get anything out this week due to the illness; I am terribly sorry about this. Again, everything will

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:59:39 -0800 (PST) To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique) If the 400 has proven capable of being highly entertaining in a relay

t-and-f: Heptathlon standards

JJK's score of 6304 would put her at No. 5 on the yearly list for 2002. What 6304? That would be her score after SIX events in her WR performance.

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

Sorry, I mis-phrased what I meant to say. I don't like waterfall starts on the turn... I was thinking 1-turn stagger with a 100m break line like the 800, making for 300m run without lanes. Dan If the 400 has proven capable of being highly entertaining in a relay setting, why not stick with

Re: t-and-f: 500m tracks (was: Track rules (was: banned high jumptechnique)

From: P.F.Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: P.F.Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:04:46 -0800 To: \Athletics\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique) I believe that there were many 500m tracks in continental Europe in the

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

Or could ignore the common finishline and run it center-to-center, giving you 50m of straightaway before the break. From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:06:19 -0800 (PST) To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f:

Re: t-and-f: Heptathlon standards

ghill wrote: JJK's score of 6304 would put her at No. 5 on the yearly list for 2002. What 6304? That would be her score after SIX events in her WR performance. Has anybody calculated what her best case heptathlon score would be, taking her PRs for all events? I believe that you guys publish

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

Or could ignore the common finishline and run it center-to-center, giving you 50m of straightaway before the break. I know a coach who sets up all his intervals that way. He says he likes it because it makes it easier to get from one side of the track to the other for calling out splits. Not

t-and-f: Illegal jumping

Netters: A few thoughts and facts on the illegal LJ and HJ methods: I have always wondered why the somersault LJ was banned for safety reasons (when their was no clinical evidence it was unsafe), while the springboard poles have been allowed to continue despite causing so many

Re: t-and-f: long jump with a flip

I recall going to one of the old ITA Pro Indoor track meets. I recall a picture, possibly on the cover, of Delamere in his WSU jersey. My older brother and I started doing it too. He ended up a whacked out skier doing all kinds of flips and me, well, though never injured doing a flip, chose an

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

Lots of good ideas, but nobody has hit on the right solution. For whatever reason, we have quarter-mile tracks all over the world. Call 'em 400-meter tracks if you want, but if track and field had been intended to be a metric sport, those tracks would be 500-meter tracks. So the proper solution