How did former high school runners do at the NCAA Division 1 Cross Country Nationals?
Here's how the states fared. Scoring/places is for U.S. runners only and is based on
where each guy went to high school.
1. Illinois 112 (J Torres Colo 1, D Sage Stanford 4, E Torres Colo 7, A Wallace Wisc
Answering my own question:
1992 Arkansas 46
1993 Arkansas 31
1996 Stanford 46
No others since 1959
Oh, I almost forgot - UTEP with 17 in 1981!
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From: Beard, Cory
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:24 PM
To: Fred Finke; T-and-F list
Subject: RE: t-and-f:
Think BYU could be good next year on the women's side?
first 4 scorers: Jr, Fr, Jr, Fr. Final scorer Sr., first non-scorer, Jr.
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From: Fred Finke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:35 PM
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Subject: t-and-f: Stanford=5 Jr's, 2
Don't forget that in earlier years the field of teams was much smaller,
therefore lower scores were much more possible to obtain!
Dan Doherty
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From: Beard, Cory [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:08:04 -0600
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And, among those others: freshman Erika Odlaug, redshirted this year. As a h.s.
senior, No. 2 at
2002 USATF Jr. Nat., first American and top-20 at World Jr.
Ed Grant wrote:
Colorado-domnated) team, one that will be augmented next year with the
addition of Megan Kaltenbach, among
An all-star team of former Illinois HS runners would be even stronger if you
included Chris Siemers from Western State who has two top 10 D-II cross
country finishes and would probably be an all-american in DI. He finished
fourth behind the Torres and Sage in the Illinois HS XC meet and second to
BYU Women's team is just sick. Repeat and still remain mostly underclassmen.
Alan
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Subject: RE: t-and-f: Stanford=5 Jr's, 2 Sophs, 1 Fr. Date: Tue, 26 Nov
2002 09:14:53 -0500
Look down some of the names from this meet.
The guy in 5th is the field goal kicker for Notre Dame (Prep: 1:52, 6-10HJ, 14s? 110)
Not sure what happened to Pilja (Mich.) last year (85th?) but I think he was 15th at
NCAAs two years
ago.
Look at the kid in 24th.
Also, after the XC list,
Found this while doing some NCAA research: 61st in the '58 NCAA race (at 4M)
was Cliff Cushman, who in '60 won Olympic silver in the 400H.
A high school in the southwest suburbs of Chicago is building a new high school and
converting the
old building into a jr. high. The head track coach told me there was no way he could
take the
four-hour drive to the NCAA XCs because he had to meet with the field house
architectural firm
Veering a bit here but the subject line made me think of it. There are some
yahoos on letsrun that actually espouse the theory that the reason there was so
much depth in distance in the early eighties is because the courses(and probably
the tracks) were all short.
Regards,
Martin
ghill wrote:
speaking of which, I forgot to cut Batliner from the ellipsed men in agate.
Adam's been done for years; that's his bro.
Popular question after yesterday is, are the Torreses the best bro combo in
NCAA cross history?
Veering a bit here but the subject line made me think of it. There are
some
yahoos on letsrun that actually espouse the theory that the reason there
was so
much depth in distance in the early eighties is because the courses(and
probably
the tracks) were all short.
I assume you are talking
duh! Me not thinking.
I only marked him as a member of one of the top 4 teams; virtually all the
Eastern Michigan guys after Boaz and Thompson could get axed too if we went
on name recognition.
But it's been my understanding the last few years in NCAA XC agate that we
wanted to list all
The tracks were short, as well!
malmo
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Martin J. Dixon
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 2:17 PM
To: track list
Subject: Re: t-and-f: When XC courses were shorter
Veering a bit here but the subject line
Earl Bell, Steve Scott and Larry Young on Tuesday appeared on a nationwide
USA Track Field teleconference. Along with Gwen Torrence, the three on
December 6 will be inducted into the National Track Field Hall of Fame,
with the induction taking place at the 2002 Jesse Owens Awards and Xerox
Track
You'll probably be able to resist Ed but here is one of the better quotes. The
thread is:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1thread=37235page=0
Regards,
Martin
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the courses prior to mid-1980s were
SHORT.
Don't believe the apocrypha. The
Martin wrote:
Veering a bit here but the subject line made me think of it. There are
some yahoos on letsrun that actually espouse the theory that the reason
there was so much depth in distance in the early eighties is because the
courses(and probably the tracks) were all short. Regards,
And gravity was less then when the earth was younger.
Tom
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Date: Tue, Nov 26, 2002, 3:53 PM
Martin wrote:
Veering a bit here but the subject line made me think of it. There are
some
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Tuesday, November 26, 2002
Torres named Athlete of the Week
Popular question after yesterday is, are the Torreses the best bro combo in
NCAA cross history?
This isn't solid TFN-proofed research, but in a few minutes of poring
through the files my answer is that they're easily the best 1-year brothers,
beating themselves from last year. These are the
Appropriate topic for the season of turkeys. At long last, have they no shame?
If one goes back to the 70's, even our best marathoner was Shorter,
although one of his chief rivals (Batchelor) was longer.
Strangely, the watches ran more slowly.
Bill Bahnfleth
At 05:08 PM 11/26/2002 -0500,
Veering again here but I've always been impressed by this result by the
Craig twins. Had to be a reasonably deep field for the time and probably
full of people who had been peaking for an Olympic 1500 that they didn't
get to go to? I'm sure that I am about to find out.
4th all time Can
3:57.21,
A note that combines two disparate threads.
Yesterday we were talking about the 3-generation Gibsons in NCs and I was
hoping to find a place for middle-member Greg in the Cross, but couldn't, so
apparently he was only (only!) a track competitor. In looking for his
record I found that he competed
Y ask:
Former SDSU sprinter Promise Mose faces a three-year ban from regular living. Could
have been worse.
http://foxsports.lycos.com/content/view?contentId=775400
Ken Stone
http://www.masterstrack.com
More interesting (to me at least) was looking up at the top end of his heat
and seeing that 4th was one Craig Masback, in 3:42.9. This is germane
because this was a *non-qualifying* time. Obviously the tracks were indeed
much shorter then.
That was the year that NCAA switched from 1500 to mile
Luckily for her. She could have actually been the one killed. It was all
unfortunate
In a message dated 11/26/2002 6:12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Y ask:
Former SDSU sprinter Promise Mose faces a three-year ban from regular living.
Could have been worse.
How about the O'Neil Twins from Yale in the Womens race, 2nd and 13th!!
Dan Doherty
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Back in the late 60's or early 70's the Hoss brothers were doing some pretty
decent running around New England. One (Peter?) ran for Umass and the other
(Paul?) ran for Boston University. Anyone recall if they both made it to the
NCAA X-Country finals?
Larry
New England Track
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Y ask:
Latest story on Kenyan distance superiority appears in the East African Standard of
Nairobi, with article that starts:
Kenyan athletics excellence raised serious debate on Monday evening when two Danish
speakers presented so-called research papers on why the east African nation
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