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From: Shawn Devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Bruce Lehane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sunday, March 10, 2002 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Regional flaw
Qualifying standards may not be the best way to get the athletes
For those who like to cite regionals as a sound method for progressing to the
NCAA's, examine the result of tonight's men's 400 meter result at the NCAA.
ALL the athletes are from the Southeast. If you make regionals the process to
qualify, they would have to knock each other out to progress to
: Bruce Lehane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, March 09, 2002 9:04 PM
Subject: t-and-f: Regional flaw
For those who like to cite regionals as a sound method for progressing to
the
NCAA's, examine the result
Some of the costs of going the regional route:
1. There will be grossly disparate levels of performance in numerous events from
region to region. Athletes with inherently superior marks will not proceed to
nationals while others not nearly as good will. Geography, in the name of head
to head
Your point about prefering athletes who compete well against others over those
who post strong marks would carry much more weight if all athletes in a given
event were competing head to head for spots But in regionalization they do not,
they only compete against the athletes in their own region
http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/indexF.html
Click on Division I Men's and Women's Cross Country for rules summary.
After you read the manual, GH and Malmo will seem funnier. Even oil spills may
cause you to chuckle.
Andre Sammartino wrote
In essence I have a series of questions that i
Man does not exist as a lone figure. The guiding concept that a man can take
without giving, that he/she owes nothing to those who came before, are now, or
will come after, leads neither man, nor sport, nor nation to well being, much
less to happiness.
Ngeny is freely pursuing what he judges
Shawn Devereaux wrote:
Will the regions covers schools or conferences? Some conferences, like the SEC, are
so spread out they could have schools that fall in 2 regions or more.
I believe that, as in cross country, the regions will be of a geographic nature,
meaning determined by what state
The regions will run north to south. The largest number of schools are found in
the eastern region,
which stretches from Maine to Florida. I believe that there will be qualifying
standards to get into
the regional meet, in addition to conference champions being admitted. Details
are still
If one accepts that the main reason for the change is television,
that reinforces the notion that the no false start rule will result
in a greater focus and popularity for the sprints. TV, being
a
visual medium, is acutely sensitive to "the show". The no false
start rule creates a scenario that
Having watched the best collegians operate with the no false start rule,
I
have to say that, at least for me, their skills and abilities are even
more
impressive under that compunction. Knowing that if someone goes
early, that person
will be eliminated, creates great drama. I know that these
The NCAA "indexes" results...on the theory that a 200 meter banked track
gives an advantage over a 200 meter flat track, they subtract some time
from marks on the latter. Last year, they added time to marks made
on banked 200 meter tracks.
Ed Prytherch wrote:
Could someone
please explain
I would be very skeptical of taking "advice" from this list on matters
such as:
Is the world really flat? Where does the sun go at night?
Washing - is it worth
the time and bother?
Ben Hall wrote:
Most,
if not all, Division I schools have a NCAA Compliance Officer. This
is the kind of question
The original question is why doesn't the 45 second high school 400 meter
runner not go on to run 44's or 43's later in his career. I suggest that it
has primarily to do with social/psychological issues. The early maturity
that contributed to his dominance in high school no longer works to his
High school leaders are adulated past reason. Their exploits are trumpeted beyond
their due and this puts those individuals in a very vulnerable spot when they have to
move up to the next level of competition, where they get battered around routinely.
The next level of high school runners have
It is worth mentioning that it was East Germany, so influenced by the
Soviets, that employed the methods under discussion here, not West
Germany. Furthermore, since the unification of West Germany and
East Germany we find a distinct anti doping policy being pursued.
Indeed,
former East German
The NCAA cross country cap is 256 runners.
Create 4 super-regions, each with 80 teams (1/4th. the membership). 8 teams and 8
individuals qualify out of each super-region. 32x7+4x8=256.
Because 80 teams is too many to run at once at most courses, cut the field in half by
stipulating that only
Cliff Blair was a hammer thrower from Boston University who made the US team in 1956,
went
to Australia to compete at Melbourne. Majoring in jounalism, he arranged to send to
the
Boston Globe reports of his experience at the Games. He did so. He was then told
that he
had violated the rules
For the last few years university athletes are taxed on the room and board
component of their scholarship.
When that tax first was levied, the university paid it on behalf of the student
- with the idea that the student had been recruited as a full scholarshipl
athlete. But the NCAA ruled
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