t-and-f: list problems...

Listers, I recently purchased a new computer, and I've noticed that I've been sending messages to the list, but they don't post. If this reaches the list, it's from my old computer. Any suggestions? Larry Morgan

t-and-f: test...

test. Larry A. Morgan

Re: t-and-f: See 2nd was See 8th place

In a message dated 03-02-10 10:38:25 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: inals 1 Watson, Luke Notre Dame 3:57.83# 2 Brannen, Nathan Michigan 3:57.96# 3 Cheboiywo, Boaz Eastern Michigan 3:58.07# 4

t-and-f: It's not fair...

Listers, NJ is split into 4 groups (by school population), Group 1 for the smallest and Group 4 for the largest. In track, for example, Groups 1 4 compete on one weekend and Groups 2 3 compete on the following weekend. The problem here is that the team that competes at the later date has

t-and-f: 4 event rule (HS)...

Netters, In NJ this year, they allow HS athletes to compete in 4 running events at a single-day track meet. Initially, I didn't have any feelings about this rule change, but now I have to say I'm slightly disgusted by it. The reason being is that I'm witnessing coaches, not athletes, slaving

Re: t-and-f: Sportism not sexism

Listers, As much as the debate broadens about who was right and who was wrong when the 3 NJ athletes were disqualified, I feel that there is no just reason to ban athletes from an entire athletic event for such a no harm, no foul situation. Did they cause some grace or serious destruction by

Re: t-and-f: NJSIAA sux...

Listers, Regarding the DQing of the athletes in NJ, this is the way I would've handled it: GO INSIDE, PAGE THE COACH OF THE SCHOOL (since the official said he was 30yds. away, he must've seen their uniforms), AND GIVE HIM 1 MINUTE TO REMOVE HIS ATHLETES FROM THE FACILITY. In a state

Re: t-and-f: driving times (was: NJSIAA sux...)

In a message dated 03-01-14 17:31:57 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This whole argument about the North having to drive all the way down to Egg Harbor for the state meet is pretty funny considering that this time of year, all the South Jersey schools are basically commuting every weekend to

t-and-f: NJSIAA sux...

Listers, For all of you who have not heard of this utterly ridiculous action brought against 3 kids at a NJ state relay meet yesterday, hold on to your lap tops... Yesterday, 3 NJ HS boys (from the same team) were DQ'd before the start of the indoor state relay championships for warming up

t-and-f: Bishop Loughlin Games...

Dear Listers, Does anyone have knowledge as to the full (or partial ) results of The Bishop Loughlin Games held yesterday at the Armory? The Armory link is screwed up and Dyestat has very minimal deep results to this point. Happy Holidays! Larry A. Morgan, Sr. Elizabeth Heat TC

t-and-f: Re: Bishop Loughlin Games...

Listers, Thanks. Something is wrong with my direct link to the Armory, but Dyestat has them up now. Larry

Re: t-and-f: Fwd: Reuters - Athletics-Jones, Montgomery seen at track centre ...

In a message dated 02-12-19 20:58:51 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday Jones said she had left long-time coach Trevor Graham because of philosophical differences and would now work with Hansen. It seems that Ms. Jones is quite the 180 degree twister. She swore by her husband before

Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: 16 Years and 499 Races Later, Vince Carneva...

In a message dated 02-11-30 06:54:49 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I didn't have it at all. When you lay off in later years, you lose it. No kidding. Another one inspired by Shorter. Regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16 Years and 499 Races Later, Vince Carnevale Just Won't Quit

Re: t-and-f: Now Blood

In a message dated 02-11-10 22:47:45 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nicole Blood is the one who should have known the course and her coach should have made sure of it. The farce is that the pre-race favorite did not know the course cold. There is no excuse for it at all, but it is so

Re: t-and-f: Diouble Standard

In a message dated 02-10-21 16:39:22 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone who lives in the dream world that thinks our sport is not the subject of constant discrimination from HS authories should consider this story from New Jersey For some years now, athletes or teams who finish

Re: t-and-f: thin sprinters

In a message dated 02-09-19 17:47:09 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeff Williams(200m) was quite a skinny guy. In a message dated 9/19/2002 1:50:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I'm not mistaken, Dennis Mitchell has a similar build to Montgomery. Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth Heat TC

t-and-f: NO GAME!

Listers, 19.8 performer Joshua Johnson (LA Raiders) and 2000 Olympic 200m finalist John Capel (Cleveland Browns) were both cut from NFL camps last week. Were there any other top notch tracksters trying to moonlight as NFLers? Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth Heat TC

t-and-f: Go figure?

1 Brandi Cross VITC 53.40N 2 Ebony CollinsLos Angeles, CA 54.01 3 Bianca KnightJJTC54.55 First three places from the USATF National Championship 13-14 Girl's division of the

t-and-f: LSU facility...

Listers, I was browsing through my most current issue of TF News and saw LSU's remarkable facility. Does anyone have an idea on the cost of such a facility? Larry A. Morgan, Sr. Elizabeth Heat TC

t-and-f: NJ Track...

Listers, I think NJ HS Track Field should consider in the off season the way they conduct a state championship series. New Jersey is split into four groups (1,2,3,4) and two parochial groups (ab) depending on the population of your school. The championships for all groups (including the

Re: t-and-f: Granville and Moore...

In a message dated 02-05-12 16:21:20 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 200, 400, 800. That's right, under the right tutelage, rivaling MJ's times in the 400 and 200. The kid is absolutely amazing with crazy range. I don't think so. You have to realize that Obea's been running age group TF

t-and-f: Speaking of Granville...

22 (h-3) Michael Granville, Nike Farm Team 1:58.40 Result from the Stanford Qualifier. Larry A. Morgan, Sr. Elizabeth Heat TC

Re: t-and-f: Junior nonesense

In a message dated 02-05-06 10:08:16 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why this nonesense with junior status where the cutoff of a couple of days prevents competing as a junior for an entire year? Why not have a systme in which an athlete could compete as a junior and set records as a junior up

t-and-f: Penn HS Girl's DMR...

1. 11:49.34, Boys Girls / Brooklyn, NY Stacey Ann Livingston 3:35.1, Desiree Moorer 55.7, Meisve Francis 2:15.0, Akilah Vargas 5:03.5 2. 11:49.74, Red Bank / Little Silver, NJ Amanda Trotter 3:35.7, Christine Hurley 61.6, Katie Kingsbury 2:16.4, Katy Trotter 4:56.0 Red Bank's needs a more

t-and-f: NJ HS Title X Continues...

Dear Listers, I had earlier reported that because of an educational budget spending freeze in NJ, many high schools are shaving sports programs to stay within thier respected budgets. Roselle HS, whose boys and girls basketball teams won state sectional titles, were threatened with

t-and-f: Title IX has nothing on this...

Dear Netters, If you think Title IX is putting a sad end to alot of collegiate programs, you won't believe this. In Roselle, NJ, the superintendent of schools threatened that if an upcoming vote doesn't come out in favor of a new economic proposal, they would cut many of the high schools

Re: t-and-f: a Title IX thought

In a message dated 02-03-19 11:03:32 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't blame the women for the cutting of men's sports, she said. We're not the ones who pay million-dollar salaries to football coaches. Dear Netters, My wife and I argue about this topic all of the time and my angle is

t-and-f: NSIC...

Dear Netters, Just a few comments about the NSIC Meet in NYC: 1- A.P. Randolph and Sanya Richards were at the wrong meet. The meet they were looking for was in Fayettville, Arkansas (smile). 2- Scotch Plains runner and apparent 400m winner Raymond Williams was DQ'd for an early cut in. I

Re: t-and-f: Top field marks at NJ AG meet

In a message dated 02-02-04 16:15:03 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A number of outstanding athletes missed the AG meet for a variety of reasons. The boys; 400 was hit hard with two of the state's top trio absent Jade Smith of Camden (who was able to anchor the Camden 1800R) and ray Williams

Re: t-and-f: Statistical note

In a message dated 01-12-25 15:53:00 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The best way to handle a case like this where the AT is slower than the hand time (1:30.20 to 1:30.1) but intrinsically faster (given the usual differential between the two kinds of timing) is to simply list them both with

Re: t-and-f: US sprinting

In a message dated 01-11-08 09:56:58 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK... eveyone is on the marathin kick (most so, probably me), but I was thinking about US sprinting as well. What's going on with our guys in the 200 and 400? Is there anyone in the US who is going to step into MJ's spot

Re: t-and-f: MJ BAD for the sport- JD on the other hand...

Dear Listers, I don't think MJ is bad for the future of the sport, although I do think he should take a few tv commentating classes. For example, in the rounds of the 4x400, Andrew Pierce had no other place to go than on the outside shoulder of the German runner coming down the homestretch,

t-and-f: Fair and unfair?...

Dear Listers, Since it's USATF/AAU Junior Olympic Nationals season, I thought I'd bring up a very familiar subject that our governing body (at the local level, at least) is allowing. USATF-NJ has allowed individual youth teams to register under one umbrella (name) and compete as one team. For

Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport

In a message dated 01-06-29 19:03:40 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I must say that there are many, many athletes who in no way think of Michael Johnson in anyway a leader in our sport. He has managed to completely alienate himself from just about any event longer than 400m and in the

t-and-f: bogus All-State teams...

Dear Listers, Can someone on the list tell me how you can be a HS female, run a National Scholastic meet-record/NJ state-record 57.48 in the 400IM, and not be 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team All-State? IWelcome to New Jersey HS Track Field, where you can secure an all-state team spot by pure

Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

In a message dated 01-06-09 14:16:52 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I recently heard that Iverson ran sub 5 in a mile at a sixers practice. Does this impress anyone else? I really doubt that he was doing any sort of running to get in shape for this. I've seen sub 47 400 guys that

t-and-f: Arrogant officials and decisions...

Listers, Where do we draw the line at HS meets? Here's the scenario... All-American high schooler at his/her last meet. He/she checks into an event 5 minutes too late. Do you strip this child of their last opportunity to compete in his/her state? THESE MEETS ARE FOR THE KIDS!! Officials are

Re: t-and-f: Webb running fast

In a message dated 01-04-27 15:27:08 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1 7:47.16 South Lakes / VA Alan Webb ran a 1:50.2 anchor split, the fifth fastest ever by a high schooler at the Penn Relays. 2 7:47.36 John Jay (HJ) / NY 3 7:48.92 Butler / PA I don't think this is correct. Webb's leg

t-and-f: Old High Schoolers...

Dear Listers, I just read an article in the Star Ledger (NJ) pertaining to the allowance of a HS athlete to compete at the Penn Relays at the age of 20. I'm aware that this particular athlete had incredible circumstances that contributed to his being that age and not out of HS, but I feel

Re: t-and-f: Records

In a message dated 01-04-03 18:34:50 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 4 x 400 - 3:07.40 - Hawthorne 1986 Conway, I think this one can go down if some of the Texas and Cali teams geared toward it. Obea Moore and crew approached it several times but just couldn't get it. I remember them

t-and-f: NSIC and Nke, please combine!

Dear netters, I attended the NSIC in NYC yesterday, and the first thing that caught my attention was how empty the place was at 10am. Last year, I couldn't find a seat at 9am! Nonetheless, the competition was fierce! But as each race was finished, I wondered: Girl's 400m - Angel Perkins

Re: t-and-f: Track dis'd again

In a message dated 01-03-06 15:57:52 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Once again, we see where track and field stands in current journalism. This Sunday's NY Times had an extensive story on Camden HS basketball start Dujaun Morgan. It was even plugged with a first-page picture.

t-and-f: Two National HS Records...

Today at the 14th MAC Youth Invitational in NYC, Samantha Shepard broke the national HS pole vault record. It was over 13 feet, I think 13'1 1/4 inches. Natasha Hastings of XTC Track Club broke Marion Jones' hs girls frosh record in the 200m. Her time was 24.38. Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth

Re: t-and-f: suddenly it's a track meet

In a message dated 01-01-28 21:08:51 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How many of you remember him as the High School Record holder in the indoor 200? 21.40 in '92 (Roosevelt, Greenbelt, Md) I also remember the rest of the receiving crew: Quadry Ismail- Big East Champion in the 110mHH

Re: t-and-f: Freshman 4x400

Danny McCray split 43.9 while a frosh at Texas AM. Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth Heat TC

Re: t-and-f: 200 rankings?

In a message dated 00-12-08 14:17:26 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agreed .. While I understand that the Olympics is THE race of the year and there were few big races this year outside of the Olympics a simple win here should not be enough .. Even by TFN standards (where heavy emphasis is

t-and-f: sprinting distance runners...

Dear Listers, Just fielding a few opinions from the list and here's the question: Can you hurt (performance) a distance runner by periodically running them in the 400m? For example, at the HS level, I noticed that top notch distance runners would sometime run legs on the 4x400m relay. I

Re: t-and-f: MJ won't run in next World Championships

In a message dated 00-11-27 13:27:53 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I wonder what he has in mind. I realize that he already has a whole drawer full of World Champs gold medals and doesn't really need one more, but where in the next year or two is there a bigger or better forum from

Re: t-and-f: Masters records for 200, 400, 800, mile

In a message dated 00-11-01 03:35:33 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fact is, the WRs for age 40 and over are hard as nails. ("Soft records" in masters track are pretty rare after a dozen world veterans championships and countless national and regional masters championships around the

Re: t-and-f: Name's the same

In a message dated 00-10-22 11:41:01 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Netters: Re the James Carter incident in Sydney, I caught up yesterday with his namesake, who was quite a 400M runner at manhattan 25 years ago and has been coaching at Newark's Weequahic HS for some years now.

Re: t-and-f: Devers etc.

Ok, It's time to add my 2 cents about the Dever's controversy. From the start of the race, Devers just didn't look good. I've seen that look and slow start before and it points to a bum hamstring. The torque from the start didn't cause a "pull", but more of an "uncomfortable" feeling that

Re: t-and-f: IAAF GP Final Results

In a message dated 00-10-05 20:56:56 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: P 100 METRES HURDLES - WOMEN Wind: Pts 1 Devers Gail USA 12.85 24.0 2 Alozie Glory

Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes...

In a message dated 00-10-01 16:32:27 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A comment by MJ after the long relay is revealing- she said something to the effect that she will never train seriously for the 400m, such as to go after the WR, because she doesn't like the way her body feels after a 400

Re: t-and-f: Capel's start

In a message dated 00-10-01 23:30:48 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Problem, Capel flinched, which does not constitute a false start. If his feet did not leave the pressure plates there would be no indication to the starting officials. He made a rookie mistake, ask Jon Drummond(Zurich) or

t-and-f: Sydney notes...

Dear Listers, Now that The Games have concluded, just thought I'd share a few observations: 1- Marion should've gotten five. Marion displays just a bit of immaturity when dealing with questions about the LJ. I don't think it would be disloyal to get some extra help from people who have

Re: t-and-f: 4 x 4 splits ??

In a message dated 00-09-29 20:50:30 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been looking .. Does anyone know where to find splits on the 4x4 semis ??? Unofficial splits for the relay: Jerome Young- 45.63 Angelo Taylor- 43.82 Calvin Harrison- 43.57 Alvin Harrison- 45.76 (eased up) 2:58.78

t-and-f: Marion Jones?...

Dear Listers, By now, everyone on the list is probably aware of the fact that MJ took bronze in the LJ. Most of the realist on this list knew that MJ's chance to take home 5 golds would take a lot of luck, despite her fitness level and extraordinary talent. Can we regard this as a failure? In

t-and-f: Harrison's 44.25...

Listers, I'm surprised that no one has yet to comment on how easy Harrison's 44.25 looked in the quarterfinal. He didn't run as conservatively as he admitted to be running, but impressive nonetheless. I think the world will final get to see another 43 without Michael Johnson's name next to

t-and-f: Bulgarians?....

Dear Listers, I just read on the ESPN ticker that the Bulgarian weightlifting team received a one year suspension for the multiple drug positives. I feel that should get one full Olympics ban (the 2004 Games) for the embarrassment they caused themselves and the Games after they were given a

Re: t-and-f: 5 gold medals

In a message dated 00-09-20 15:33:16 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The entire "5 gold medals" hype is absurd, because on present information and ability, Marion does not win the long jump. She is also apt to obtain the baton in the 4 by 400m with the Russians 7-9 yards ahead, which would

Fwd: t-and-f: 5 gold medals

In a message dated 00-09-21 09:31:59 EDT, you write: If MJ takes the baton close to ANYONE in the world as anchor on that relay, she will not lose! Michael Johnson ran an incredible quality string of races in 8 or 9 days in Atlanta. What makes you think Marion is not quite as

Re: t-and-f: 5 gold medals

In a message dated 00-09-21 10:38:19 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .and there is one additional difference: Michael Johnson, in Atlanta, did not need to concern himself with either the short relay or the long jump, a most demanding event in terms of repeated explosive effort. Listers,

Re: t-and-f: Marion as 4x400 leadoff

In a message dated 00-09-21 13:19:23 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And if Marion gives the team an early lead, those non-lane problems are reduced or eliminated for the other USA runners; each should enjoy an unobstructed run with optimal times for their individual laps. Listers, IMHO,

Re: t-and-f: Fast-finishing Johnson closes in on final gold

Dear Listers, Out of curiosity, Does anyone know Michael Johnson's overall 200 and 400 record from 1990 to 2000? I know he had a couple of streaks in between for both events. Could he possibly have the best record for wins in major finals for both events? Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth Heat TC

Re: t-and-f: Bailey has a Virus ?

In a message dated 00-09-20 08:55:45 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A local radio station here in Ottawa, Ontario reported that Bailey had come down with a virus 2 day's prior to the start of his event. No further details were given. Anybody else heard about this ? Would this be the same

t-and-f: relay team decisions?...

Dear Listers, Once again, we are at another snag in the long relay yarn. IMHO, athletes shouldn't be allowed to dictate who will compete on a relay. Point blank. Coaches are appointed because of their experience, wisdom, successes, etc. All athletes in the relay pool have a legitimate shot to

Re: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin

In a message dated 00-09-05 20:31:51 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While we ponder the foolishness of the powers that be, we have missed an interesting issue. The 4x400m relay. Who will run the final? Let's say it is the top 3, and then who? I have even money on Angelo Taylor. For 2

Re: t-and-f: Van Damme Women Results

In a message dated 00-08-26 18:41:38 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could be an interesting 4x100 (W) in Sydney, adding the top 3 in Brussels USA 33.20 BAH 33.41 JAM 33.60 top 4 USA 44.79 BAH 45.05 Realizing not everyone ran at Brussels.it could be

Re: t-and-f: Micheal Johnson

In a message dated 00-08-09 01:40:25 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not interested in ifs or buts or inability to make it through the rounds. THERE WILL BE NO AMERICAN ON THE MEDAL STAND IN THE 200M. The Americans will NOT beat Obikwelu, Thompson, Boldon or Da Silva. NO MEDAL. They