Re: t-and-f: Depth of Talent

2000-10-31 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Roger Ruth wrote: USA has over six times the population of RSA (275,562,673 vs. 43,421,021). Each of those Americans, on average, has nearly five times the annual income of each South African ($33,900 vs. $6,900). Clearly, comparing the depth of RSA talent to that of

Re: t-and-f: Sonia O'Sullivan wins Dublin Marathon

2000-10-30 Thread P.F.Talbot
How many other women can claim the competitive range from 1500 to marathon that O'Sullivan has? On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Der O'Donovan wrote: http://www.rte.ie/aertel/p206.htm DUBLIN MARATHON Ireland's Sonia O'Sullivan followed up her Olympic silver medal with a victory in

Re: t-and-f: Depth of Talent

2000-10-30 Thread P.F.Talbot
Is this really any deeper than the U.S. in the early 1980s? On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, David Monti wrote: Track Listers, While not attempting to play down the role of performance-enhancing drugs in athletics, I sometimes think Westerners are out of touch with the depth of talent in other

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

2000-10-26 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's your only conclusion? You couldn't possibly have come to the conclusioin that Coe was so great that he put the 800 record at a level that no one would could match for many years to come? I think that Coe was as good a miler as an 800m man

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

2000-10-25 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Justin Clouder wrote: 1:42.28Sam Koskei KEN Cologne260884 Indeed it is. I thought it surprising that, despite the Kenyan advances in recent years, the national 800m record is 16 years old. Having said that, it's a very very good record,

RE: t-and-f: Paralympians off fast in Sydney (fwd)

2000-10-24 Thread P.F.Talbot
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Re: t-and-f: chicago marathon

2000-10-23 Thread P.F.Talbot
On 23 Oct 2000, Jay Ulfelder wrote: Yes, I know Khannouchi is an American, but because the focus here is on the sport's development in the U.S., I'm looking only at "home-grown" runners. Isn't Khannouchi "home grown?" I thought he didn't start running until after he had emigrated to the

Re: t-and-f: Re:Angry White Lesbians

2000-10-16 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My initial reaction to the ad was one of shock and revulsion. I know the ad is meant to be somewhat surreal but the implied violence is sickening and out of place for a SNEAKER ad. JT I think this reaction shows what I (or apparently Nike) never

Re: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

2000-10-16 Thread P.F.Talbot
On 16 Oct 2000, Jay Ulfelder wrote: And that's really the point, isn't it? After all, one would typically assume that the body would adapt to the new, more intense stimulus, so that, for example, a 27:30 10K would feel to a "doped" athlete like a 28:15 does to a "non-doped" athlete. Only if

Re: t-and-f: Re: Malmo's comments on El Guerrouj and Coe

2000-10-03 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Matthew H Fraser Moat wrote: You can have long debates about who is the best 1,500m/Mile runner of all time, you can have long debates about who is the best 800m runner of all time, but few people would argue that Coe should be included in both discussions. My question

Re: t-and-f: U.S. 800m running

2000-10-03 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Ed Dana Parrot wrote: Also, didn't Coe's speed improvement come at a fairly young age? And wasn't he always an 800/1500 guy with the 3000m being more of a stretch. No, he was a 1500/3000m guy through his teens and ran few 800s, at 18 he couldn't break 50 for 400m (at

Re: t-and-f: Wheeler, Jorge Torres win Shootout crowns

2000-10-02 Thread P.F.Talbot
For those of you interested, Colorado beat Western handily in the second half of the race, but Western was without three of their top five. At full strength Western would have given CU a very tough battle. Western would certainly be a top-5 team in DI. CU's surge in the second half of the race

Re: t-and-f: women's 10,000m records

2000-10-02 Thread P.F.Talbot
Don't forget Shorter, 1972: 10k 5th (AR), marathon 1rst. On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Kurt Bray wrote: Virtually overlooked in the women's 10,000m in Sydney was Tegla Loroupe completing arguably the most amazing long distance double in championship competition. Amazing? Maybe yes; most amazing?

RE: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of ALEXANDER KARELIN

2000-09-29 Thread P.F.Talbot
he ring would listen to music and read poetry? I just can't believe it! UG __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:33 PM To: P.

t-and-f: Men's 200m and Jon Entine

2000-09-28 Thread P.F.Talbot
To play devil's advocate in Entine's defense, his argument has always been about *performance* not placings. Where does 20.09 fit in in the greater scheme of things? If he runs under 20.00 then the case against Entine is a little stronger, if he breaks 19.90 then it really is. That said, I've

Re: t-and-f: Marion's derailed drive for 5

2000-09-27 Thread P.F.Talbot
Another way of looking at it: does it matter anymore if she wins five golds? The drive for five golds was great marketing that made Marion Jones a household name, but who will make use of this now and ask her to endorse thier products? She has likely lost millions of dollars. Paul On Wed, 27

t-and-f: 800m final

2000-09-26 Thread P.F.Talbot
Netters, Does anyone else get the feeling that this could be a very special race? There are at least five guys who could go under 1:43.5 if the race goes fast. Kipketer is the favorite but he seems more vulnerable than he has in the past (though perhaps not much more). Borzakovskiy's

Re: t-and-f: MEB and ABDI IN MARATHON

2000-09-26 Thread P.F.Talbot
I believe that Noakes points this out in his book. On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/26/00 4:54:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .most guys who move up from 10 to the marathon end up running their best marathon time in their 2nd or 3rd race at the distance

Re: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of race walking

2000-09-25 Thread P.F.Talbot
That's wierd, he said this in 1992 and then apologized for it in 1996 citing the number of irate letters he recieved from race walkers and their supporters. Did he actually say it again? On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, andrew mcdonagh wrote: He said this last night and I thought it was funny. "Race

Re: t-and-f: 5 positive names from 1988

2000-09-25 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, R.T. wrote: then why in the world are Merode and Lundquist choosing the forum of Sydney to take shotgun blasts at U.S. procedures, strongly implying that there is subterfuge going on? I'm not talking '88, I'm talking '00. They are fully aware of U.S. court restrictions,

Re: t-and-f: Articles: Heredity and Athletic Performance

2000-09-20 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, david lesley wrote: In fact, it seems to me that the North Africans are much more closely related to the Portuguese and Spanish (also formidable runners) than they are to the Ethiopians and Kenyans. This of course is very true. North Africa has always been part of the

Re: t-and-f: 1) CBC 2) drugs

2000-09-18 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Bryan Beel wrote: Unless I'm really missing something, it seems that NONE of the mentioned athletes would TEST POSITIVE unless they were total morons. EPO: can't test positive unless you've used the "juice" in the last three days. Isn't that what everyone was howling

RE: t-and-f: Greene on fire in Sydney

2000-09-15 Thread P.F.Talbot
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO! It just has to react equally slow to both the start and the finish. On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, malmo wrote: THAT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. The human body simply cannot react that fast! malmo!TM Another self-anointed "Award-Winning" Pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics

Re: t-and-f: Ron Dayne returning to track?

2000-09-07 Thread P.F.Talbot
Hopefully Dayne will return to competition in a very public way... and get soundly trounced by the top throwers out there. This would be great publicity. The American public thinks of football players as the strongest, most powerful athletes out there. If Dayne couldn't compete maybe people

Does college hurt our marathoners? (Was: Re: t-and-f: IAAF list oftop marathoners)

2000-09-05 Thread P.F.Talbot
Someone just asked about the reasons behind the United States marathon woes. The problem (if you believe there is a problem) has many facets but one that hasn't come up is the U.S. college system. While I'm generally a big fan of collegiate track and field, I wonder if college distance prevents

Re: Does college hurt our marathoners? (Was: Re: t-and-f: IAAFlist of top marathoners)

2000-09-05 Thread P.F.Talbot
or JUCO organizations. Maybe I'm just mis-remembering that there were collegiate team entries in an open championship. Can anybody out there help on this one? Bill Bahnfleth At 02:00 PM 9/5/2000 -0600, P.F.Talbot wrote: College coachs, with some exceptions, don't train

Re: t-and-f: New Great White Hope from the Great White North

2000-08-16 Thread P.F.Talbot
Will he turn 20 by the end of the year or is he officially a junior? If he is, how does this rank him among juniors? Secondly, is this guy taking Franno's advice and bypassing the U.S. college system or will he be travelling south to take advantage of warm training climes and free

Re: t-and-f: The System

2000-08-11 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, R.T. wrote: If the IOC also threw out "B" standard qualifiers at the same time, along with the "each country can enter one person in each sport", countries like Kenya would no longer feel obligated to take the single 100m sprinter, the single long jumper, and so forth.

RE: t-and-f: the system

2000-08-11 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Justin Clouder wrote: Nonsense. There are 101 ways to ensure objective criteria for selection of non-3rd place finishers which avoids selection committee politics. For example: Third place athlete gets picked unless there is another athlete who fulfills these criteria:

RE: t-and-f: the system

2000-08-10 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Justin Clouder wrote: The simple truth is that the US is not strong enough any more to allow for so many great athletes to fall by the wayside. Why is it so important to you that the U.S. send its strongest possible team to the games? Is the American medal count really

Re: t-and-f: A new kind of shoe - to smash records

2000-08-10 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Ward Nicholson wrote: Randy Treadway writes: The article says nothing about the trade-offs that usually result from building up a shoe solely to reduce shock. Ward's response is below, but my own input here It has actually been shown that shock is less running barefoot

Re: t-and-f: New Olympic Relay Events

2000-08-09 Thread P.F.Talbot
I think Ed's idea below is a good one. Added to it could be an eikiden road relay to include distance runners and would simply replace the marathon. On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, CORA KOCH wrote: Getting events added to the Olympics (except to further parity for women's events) would be tough given

Re: t-and-f: coaching and performance

2000-08-08 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Jon Entine wrote: The flaw in Steve's belief coaches are the primary reason why one runner excels over another is possible but certainly conjectural. There are other factors, most prominently genetics, that might reduce the coaching factor to insignificance. Jon Entine

t-and-f: Lydiard's nobodies (was York HS training)

2000-08-01 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, alan tobin wrote: past coaches like Lydiard turning 4 no-bodies into great champions. Let's put a little perspective in here. While Lydiard did an amazing job and started out with a very small pool of runners, lets recognize the talent that Snell was. Before he came to

t-and-f: Kipketer's teeth

2000-07-29 Thread P.F.Talbot
This is pretty interesting. For you conspiracy theorists, you can make note of the fact that KAAA does have money to pay western doctors... :) Paul -- Forwarded message -- July 29 2000 Oslo(Kenyan Sports Wire) Flashing as smile that could light up the vacated offices up

Re: t-and-f: Oslo TV

2000-07-29 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Kurt Bray wrote: I also noticed on last night's broadcast of the exciting races that the people in the stands often stood up as the runners went by, refuting the earlier post that said that the Europeans stay seated during track meets. One of the coolest things I've

Re: t-and-f: Regina Thread....

2000-07-27 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, George Parrott wrote: And Rod Dixon and Craig Virgin also had almost this kind of "range" of performance excellence, so the "reach" is not that absurd... Dixon yes, Virgin no. Virgin never broke 4:00 in the mile much less ran the 1:46 that Dixon covered 800m in. One of

Re: t-and-f: Americans competing for other countries in the Olympics.

2000-07-26 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, R.T. wrote: True had planned on competing in the U.S. trials, but decided that the guarantee of Olympic participation was too good of an experience to pass up and agreed to take the Liberian spot. Competing at the U.S. Trials doesn't preclude subsequently taking a place

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