Do a Dubin. Take it out of the hands of the sporting bodies. Steroids are
getting more and more play in the media. Time to have a congressional
inquiry.
Everybody knows who is/was likely dirty. Subpoena them or other witnesses
familiar with them to testify under penalty of perjury. Let them
I believe Canada must be the
only country to produce a fastest man both before and after assuming the
position which the US has yet to do.
Born in Jamaica.
Trained in the US by American coaches.
Singlet and shorts provided by Canada.
If Bill Clinton can redefine the English dictionary, I
What does the money have to do with it? Are you saying that East German marks from the
1970s are
acceptable because they were set under amateur rules?
Jonas Mureika wrote:
They also didn't win gold medals and receive multi-million dollar
endorsement deals as a result of being non-witches.
At 07:24 PM 7/12/2002 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote..
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:24:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jonas Mureika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Post, Marty wrote:
He also extended his world record lifetime total of sub-10.00s
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Mike Prizy wrote:
A major issue here is that there are over 200 countries with varying degrees of
individual rights
and constitutional laws trying to work with rules established by a sports
organization.
They *all* compete under the flag of the IAAF, and thus should
Jonas Mureika wrote:
They *all* compete under the flag of the IAAF, and thus should abide by
the rules set out by that federation. This isn't an issue of human
rights.
Your statement: Also, the US didn't cover up tests where they conclusively found
the individual to
be a witch, then
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Mike Prizy wrote:
Drugs or apartheid. It is ALWAYS about human rights! Countries have been banned by
the IOC because of
human rights issues.
That's quite a stretch of logic!
Apartheid is the act of a government opressing a people. *That* is a
human rights violation.
As an aside, when Mitchell's suspension was handed down, Greene's 9.79s
mark should have been stricken, since (retroactively) the race was
tainted (competing with a suspended athlete)
You're inventing IAAF rules there, buddy. Stick to the facts.
malmo
It's good to be King.
malmo
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King Malmo spoke, so I guess we
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Post, Marty wrote:
He also extended his world record lifetime total of sub-10.00s to 42. Oh
yeah, he also holds record for sub 9.8's -- one.
Actually, he shares the sub-9.8 record with Ben Johnson.
J.
Actually, he shares the sub-9.8 record with Ben Johnson.
Actually, he doesn't. Cheaters' marks don't count.
Kurt Bray
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So do a number of American athletes from as recently as Sydney, and going
back to Seoul. Shouldn't we remove those, as well? I thought we wanted a
level playing field.
J.
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Post, Marty wrote:
and Ben has an Olympic gold medal to
and Ben has an Olympic gold medal to prove it.
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Post, Marty wrote:
He also extended his
When the record books are wiped clean of *all* such marks, not just
selective, token scapegoat ones, then I'll agree.
J.
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Kurt Bray wrote:
Actually, he shares the sub-9.8 record with Ben Johnson.
Actually, he doesn't. Cheaters'
When the record books are wiped clean of *all* such marks, not just
selective, token scapegoat ones, then I'll agree.
And what is your evidence that Greene's mark is one of the such marks?
When Greene or anyone else test positive or confesses they'll be known
cheaters too. And then their
I never accused Greene's marks of being such, nor do I intend my remarks
to be taken in that light. However, it is naive suggest that Ben Johnson
was the only such world class athlete to win medals and set WRs.
Evidence? Well, to begin with: many people chastise Ben for being a
triple cheat
And, lets not forget all those non-American athletes with pseud-NGB drug testing
programs.
Jonas Mureika wrote:
So do a number of American athletes from as recently as Sydney, and going
back to Seoul. Shouldn't we remove those, as well? I thought we wanted a
level playing field.
Jonas,
Your point is very well taken but lost on(some of) this bunch. Until the US
and other countries are willing to go through the same self-induced rectal
examination as the Dubin inquiry was, they are not credible. You weren't
onlist yet but when Pound started to rattle a few chains, some on
So, let's have the names out in the open, and let's make them not count.
On this we can agree. I'm for full disclosure and for wiping out all marks
put up by cheaters, whoever they may be. I only ask that we do it based on
evidence rather than rumor or cynical suspicion.
Kurt Bray
Do a Dubin. Take it out of the hands of the sporting bodies. Steroids are
getting more and more play in the media. Time to have a congressional inquiry.
Everybody knows who is/was likely dirty. Subpoena them or other witnesses
familiar with them to testify under penalty of perjury. Let them take
This was done once before. I believe it was called Salem Witch Trials.
Martin J. Dixon wrote:
.
Everybody knows who is/was likely dirty. Subpoena them or other witnesses familiar
with them to
testify under penalty of perjury. Let them take the 5th.
Draw your own conclusions.
Call it whatever you want. We did it in 1989. People testified that didn't have to
testify and
records were rewritten. A lot of countries could take a page out of that book
including the US. Yes,
a lot of countries are a lot worse than the US but spare me the moral indignation from
US listers
At least we agree on something:
Martin J. Dixon wrote:
Yes, a lot of countries are a lot worse than the US
Mike Prizy wrote:
This was done once before. I believe it was called Salem Witch Trials.
Martin J. Dixon wrote:
.
Everybody knows who is/was likely dirty. Subpoena
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