An the rate of improvement has slowed down in the period when Africans have
dominated!
John Bale
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From: Mcewen, Brian T [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 4:44 PM
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Not EVERYONE is doping
So, Drew, based on
Not agreeing or disagreeing with most of what Brian wrote, but I've gotta
be amused by the following:
Most anybody with some talent and enough drive can run 29:15.
From my experience around distance runners for the past 27 years, I'd guess
that the talent to run a 29:15 is found in about 1
I base my observations on 15 years of working with and observing government
and corporate "mucky mucks". The saying "Do not attribute to conspiracy
what is better explained by stupidity" is very true, and the public would
be shocked at how absolutely true it is.
Richard McCann
At 04:14 PM
The statement quoted below has no real content. It is
merely a definition of the terms "some" and "enough."
Dave Carey
On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Mcewen, Brian T wrote:
Most anybody with some talent and enough drive can run 29:15.
You are reading too much into what he is saying, I believe. Because RC
hasn't seen the evidence, *RC* doesn't believe it exists. Same stance I
take, actually.
I refuse to approach the discussion already assuming that most runners are
doped. While I accept doping occurs, nothing I have
So, Drew, based on the below progression of the WR (roughly 60 seconds every
20 years) how long before man breaks 00:00.00? In my lifetime, will we see
a 23:30 10k? Good one.
If I have riled you up, that is tough for you. Keep the putdowns to
yourself, or send them to me only. I haven't
When linear extrapolation is extended over large ranges
the choice of dependent variable becomes important. In the
case of running records, plotting race time vs calendar
time eventually produces meaningless results as witness
below. It is better to take average speed as the dependent
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:25:20 -0600, you wrote:
When linear extrapolation is extended over large ranges
the choice of dependent variable becomes important. In the
case of running records, plotting race time vs calendar
time eventually produces meaningless results as witness
below. It is
Justin wrote:
Oh come on Brian, at least try to debate intelligently.
Of course it's true that no race can be run in zero time. Limits are above
zero time, we can all agree on that. Clearly, as we reach the point of
maximum potential, we will see diminishing returns. As was elegantly shown
Justin says:
When we can show that the record is improving by a
smaller margin with each succeeding 20 yr period, we'll be able to make some
intelligent predictions (rather than simple assertions, which is all you've
managed so far).
You can make the WR's say whatever you want them too ... if
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Richard McCann wrote:
You only make my point here. There are virtually NO well-organized,
effective institutions in those countries (several of my former ag econ
classmates have worked on development projects in Kenya and other African
nations). To create the wave of
To create the wave of performances at such young ages, before
these athletes have traveled to Europe where they might gain
access to EPO,
would require a concerted effort by a well-organized institution. Unless
Nike or Fila is making such an investment, (and I suspect shareholders
would
At 12:57 PM 11/2/2000 -0700, P.F.Talbot wrote:
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Richard McCann wrote:
You only make my point here. There are virtually NO well-organized,
effective institutions in those countries (several of my former ag econ
classmates have worked on development projects in Kenya and
It used to be that the KAA sent to Junior competitions (and World Univ.
games) what appeared to be high school kids...AND they ran like high school
kids. Now their "Junior" teams all look 25 years old...AND they run like it.
malmo
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Dismiss everything that you don't know as a "conspiracy theory". There are
many more Willie Browns out there.
malmo
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From: Richard McCann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:44 PM
To: malmo
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Subject: RE: t-and-f: Not
I am thinking quite clearly. It makes no sense for a
profit-motivated firm
based that derives most of its earnings from sales in the US and
Europe to
devote resources in a two nations with per capita income for less
than $500
per year and little potential growth in consumer demand. If
Oh come on Brian, at least try to debate intelligently.
Of course it's true that no race can be run in zero time. Limits are above
zero time, we can all agree on that. Clearly, as we reach the point of
maximum potential, we will see diminishing returns. As was elegantly shown
to us all, there
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:27:33 -0500 , you wrote:
Brian T McEwen says
I said: I don't know the Limits of human performance in distance running,
but
they are NOT at the level where today's runners would lap Viren, Yifter,
Rono, Schildhauer and Cova at their very best.
Well,
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 2:46 PM
In a message dated Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:04:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
"Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Substitute "distance running" for professional cycling in the last sentence
and you have
to buy these drugs. Unless you can come up with documentation that the
Kenyan or Ethiopian governments are out in the hinterlands distributing
these drugs, when they can't even distribute food adequately, I
doubt that
drugs are behind the widespread depth of African performances.
Richard
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