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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:01 PM
To: David Dallman
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: World XC
David
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David,
You have an excellent memory. Amazingly enough, I just read an account of
that exact race you've described from memory it was actually July 10, 1965
at the AAA Championships at White City as you remember
On reflection (my track books are all at home) I think it was 1964 and
13:04.8 for Lindgren.
David Dallman
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, David Dallman wrote:
I first saw Gerry Lindgren at London's White City stadium in, I think,
1965. Ron Clarke had
David,
You have an excellent memory. Amazingly enough, I just read an account of that exact
race you've described from memory it was actually July 10, 1965 at the AAA
Championships at White City as you remember. Derrick Young wrote of the
race in his book, "The Ten Greatest Races". It
Don't mean to speak for Rich McC - but I believe he's only
talking about their performances through high school.
He's saying that Lindgren and Ryun were running with world
class runners in high school, Virgin and Pre were not.
FWIW, (as you know), Virgin was an awesome runner in high
school.
If that's what Rich meant (and on second reading, it appears that way), I
agree.
Wish I had been old enough to see/appreciate Lindgren in his prime.
Unfortunately, my direct memories are of disappointing OT performance
late in his career.
Bill Bahnfleth
At 08:26 AM 3/27/2001 -0800, Dave
FWIW, (as you know), Virgin was an awesome runner in high
school. He ran for a no-name school in central/southern
Illinois - lapped the competition in every 2 mile race
until the state meet (where he won by 20+ seconds). Won
two cross country championships by 30 seconds each over the
Particularly when they were beating him...
I don't recall that Fritz ran the two mile much/at all. He was a miler and
spoiled Virgin's attempt at a 1-2 double at state in 1973.
wb
At 09:50 PM 3/27/01 -0500, malmo wrote:
FWIW, (as you know), Virgin was an awesome runner in high
school.
I first saw Gerry Lindgren at London's White City stadium in, I think,
1965. Ron Clarke had taken the world 3 mile record down from about 13:14
to just over 13 minutes and this day was about to take another 8 seconds
off. In those days Ron just ran away from everybody much of the time, and
the
I worry that
it's rather illusory. Story I read said it was 34 degrees with 35mph
winds and heavy mud. Extreme conditions can be a great leveler of talent.
Not taking anything away from the U.S. team for rising to the
occasion,but to suggest that this might be in any way a sign of something
At 01:57 PM 3/26/2001 -0800, rric wrote:
Richard
McCann said-
The World's have been run in muddy terrible conditions
before and the US has consistently
FAILED
... to rise to the occassion. I think the fact the
three athletes that most of this list
would
agree are among our top half dozen
How can you put Virgin, who won an NCAA cross-country championship
(defeating Nick Rose and John Ngeno), was a member of the ill-fated 1980
US Olympic team, and won two world cross-country championships, in the
category of dominating HS competition somewhere below
Lindgren?! Pre held just about
In a message dated Sun, 25 Mar 2001 5:05:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, John Molvar
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Ok agreed!! My real point is, if you look how
well the USA men ran in the long, short and
junior races, it was one heck of meet for the
USA. Who would have dreamed 3 days ago that we
In a message dated 3/25/01 7:09:03 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I worry that it's rather illusory. Story I read said it was 34 degrees with
35mph winds and heavy mud. Extreme conditions can be a great leveler of
talent
Well, let's see the Junior team's success
gh wrote:
I worry that it's rather illusory. Story I read said it was 34
degrees with 35mph winds and heavy mud. Extreme conditions can be a great
leveler of talent
and andy wrote:Can't we except an exciting, unexpected turn of
events with some joy? From the look of the results USA
I
agree that extreme conditions do have a leveling effect. And so
doaggressive customs searches and EPO testing scares.
malmo
I might
also add that while extreme conditions can have the effect of levelling
talent, but they can also expose weakness.And the U.S. was missing
two
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