Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-24 Thread koala
I just don't get it. I'm sure I've read a post that was more condescending than the one RANDY TREADWAY ..yada, yada, yada Now THAT'S a sample of the distance vs non-distance debates that people say they miss from the 'good old days' of the beginning of this list back in '94-95. Not a word

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-24 Thread John Lunn
Nice recovery! JL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just don't get it. I'm sure I've read a post that was more condescending than the one RANDY TREADWAY ..yada, yada, yada Now THAT'S a sample of the distance vs non-distance debates that people say they miss from the 'good old days' of the

t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-24 Thread DLTFNedit
I don't see anything wrong with having both long and short course races. Just not at championship meets. I think cross meets can be made more exciting and fan-friendly in many ways. Adding a short course race is only one of them. Other ideas include making courses consisting of shorter loops,

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-24 Thread philip_ponebshek
I don't see anything wrong with having both long and short course races. Just not at championship meets. I was thinking the same. I think cross meets can be made more exciting and fan-friendly in many ways. Adding a short course race is only one of them. An Eikiden-type format could be

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-24 Thread Ryan Grote
, Indoor Nats will be here, making a 2012 Olympic Bid...maybe a good outdoor facility in the vicinity? Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate I don't see anything

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-24 Thread malmo
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate I don't see anything wrong with having both long and short course races. Just not at championship meets. I think cross meets can be made more

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-24 Thread Dan Doherty
] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate Been saying this for years and maybe they are getting closer to it, but to promote the sport at the elite level to those at the grass roots level try this on for size: -Have a freaking short course x-c race

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-24 Thread LTricard
when the women in the us began running xc it was the 1.5 mile bridge to bridge loop at van cortlandt in 1962!!!

RE: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-24 Thread Philip Pinkowsky
, October 24, 2001 12:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate I just don't get it. I'm sure I've read a post that was more condescending than the one RANDY TREADWAY wrote here, but I just can't remember it right now. Opinions are like assholes

RE: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-24 Thread Michael Contopoulos
I agree Robbie. I don't see how anyone can argue with that. Mike From: Philip Pinkowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Philip Pinkowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ROBERT J HOWELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:59:48 -0500

RE: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-24 Thread malmo
- Original Message - From: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate Been saying this for years and maybe they are getting closer to it, but to promote the sport at the elite

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-23 Thread DLTFNedit
In a message dated Tue, 23 Oct 2001 6:31:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm a big fan of the old adage, If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I think the IAAF was wrong to go to two distances, and I think it would be terrible for the NCAA to follow suit. If you want to

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-23 Thread Joe Rubio
So how about we put the Stanford men in the 4k and the Colorado guys in the 12k? While we're at it, let's decide the national champions for any discipline via a postal system. No need to have host USATF track nationals just run some time trials, have Mike Scott post the results and we can see

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-23 Thread Keenan Robbins
it is just sick to think about splitting up nationals, cross country is the one and only time when you can decide who the top dog is on that day. One race, one champion. Bringing together the milers and the 10K dudes. The BEST, bar none. It kind of relates to the watering down of high school

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-23 Thread P.F.Talbot
Of course the NCAA all ready does this by holding seperate DI and DII races. The fastest 10k guy in college is NOT a DI runner. On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Keenan Robbins wrote: it is just sick to think about splitting up nationals, cross country is the one and only time when you can decide who the

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-23 Thread Ed and Dana Parrot
It's about introducing a forum for 800 and 1500 runners who would otherwise not be running cross country at all. Sure, the longer race might lose the occasional Alan Webb, but that's the exception and NOT the rule. Ok, what about hard numbers? Out of all the NCAA 1500m finalists in the past

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-23 Thread Chuck Moran
] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate it is just sick to think about splitting up nationals, you guys have it all wrong, it's not about splitting up nationals, in fact you're making ME sick with all your whining. It's not about splitting up

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-23 Thread Keenan Robbins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's about introducing a forum for 800 and 1500 runners who would otherwise not be running cross country at all. Sure, the longer race might lose the occasional Alan Webb, but that's the exception and NOT the rule. Any middle distance guys who can't handle running

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-23 Thread philip_ponebshek
Randy wrote: NOW REPEAT AFTER ME CHILDREN, It's not about splitting up nationals.. ...now write that fifty times on the chalkboard. It's about introducing a forum for 800 and 1500 runners who would otherwise not be running cross country at all. Sure, the longer race might lose the

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

2001-10-23 Thread ROBERT J HOWELL
I just don't get it. I'm sure I've read a post that was more condescending than the one RANDY TREADWAY wrote here, but I just can't remember it right now. Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one. You've got your opinion. It happens to be wrong, but that's no reason to be a jerk. So