Re: t-and-f: re:1972 vaulting pole snafu

2004-05-30 Thread Roger Ruth
I thought I was through commenting on this topic, although the questions raised about Adriaan Paulen's prejudices were tempting. Then, yesterday, Peter Heidenstrom asked, Could one of the experts on the list please explain - not how the snafu developed - but how any snafu could ever have begun in

t-and-f: re:1972 vaulting pole snafu

2004-05-28 Thread Peter Heidenstrom
Could one of the experts on the list please explain - not how the snafu developed - but how any snafu could ever have begun in the first place? The IAAF rule says The pole may be of any material or combination of materials, but the basic surface must be smooth. It says so now, it said so in 1972,

Re: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

2004-05-26 Thread goldbu1
As it happens this was not quite the case. While Nebiolo would go ahead and instituted many necessary changes, Paulen was cognizant and even supportive towards the move to fromally cahnge the status in regard to payments into trust funds for athletes. There is documentation from the 1978 IAAF

RE: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

2004-05-24 Thread goldbu1
. Seriously though I'm not a conspiracy theorist but it does make for an interesting thread. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Ruth Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 5:56 PM To: t-and-f Subject: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu

Re: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

2004-05-24 Thread goldbu1
A word on Kirk Bryde's message; He can clearly recall without any doubt That Adrian Paulen (possibly an East german according to him) was very pro-German, while in fact the Dutch mines engineer Adrian Paulen all but was executed by Germans during World war II. Shows that you can compete in

Re: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

2004-05-24 Thread Randy Treadway
re: Paulen being almost executed by the Germans in World War II Politicians who did something meritorious four decades prior should be commended, but should not get a free pass for the rest of their life solely because of it with regard to their current ability to lead. The primary

Re: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

2004-05-24 Thread Randall Northam
The thing I most remember Paulen for was at the 1980 Olympics. The Moscow crowd around one corner of the stadium was roaring on Konstantin Volkov and jeering Wladyslaw Kozakiewicz. The officials were cheating too; holding up flags for the Soviet vaulter to judge the wind but not for

RE: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu

2004-05-20 Thread Patrick Palmer
Ray Cook wrote: OK...I was only 10, but hadn't the USA won every pole vault gold prior to Munich with the exception of 1906? OH...and every basketball gold prior to Munich? And I remember our coach in high school telling us they had the poles in 1972 so they were readily available. It sure

t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

2004-05-19 Thread Roger Ruth
Interesting, how much our memories of this occasion vary, after 32 years. Thanks to Ed Grant for chipping in. I think I've switched sides on the authority of recollection as a function of age at the time. It just may be that those who have responded as teen-agers at the time have a few more brain

Re: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

2004-05-19 Thread koala
My recollection was that Paulen was Belgian, but Dutch means I was close. They named a big meet after him after he died, didn't they? Where is that? Ivo van Damme (the Van Damme meet named after the 800m runner) is Belgian, so I guess the Paulen meet must be in the Netherlands. Although Paulen

Re: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

2004-05-19 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My recollection was that Paulen was Belgian, but Dutch means I was close. They named a big meet after him after he died, didn't they? Where is that? Ivo van Damme (the Van Damme meet named after the 800m runner) is Belgian, so I guess the Paulen meet must be in the

Re: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

2004-05-19 Thread Wilmar Kortleever
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: My recollection was that Paulen was Belgian, but Dutch means I was close. Some Europeans would not take that one lightly in any other way than sheer geographyl. To them, it would be saying 'my recollection was such-and-so was Mexican, but American means I was close'

t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

2004-05-18 Thread Roger Ruth
On 2004-05-16 20:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Bob Seagren's poles. I'm trying to remember the particulars. Of all the rulings in '72 this was the one I had the most problem with. It had to do with the pole Seagren was using being on the approved list. There was

RE: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

2004-05-18 Thread Ray Cook
was in to me. Seriously though I'm not a conspiracy theorist but it does make for an interesting thread. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Ruth Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 5:56 PM To: t-and-f Subject: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole