t-and-f: A variety of subjects - just catching up...

--- Alan Shank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W 100H semis final What happened to Devers? One said she just stopped, another said she pulled up lame. Surprisingly little talk about this. Certainly the least apparent injury I can recall seeing. Aren't the Olympics the "once in a lifetime, only

RE: t-and-f: USTF facing ban over drug testing

In the last few days, USATF has been exposed for having 10 unnamed drugs-positives still unresolved. Craig Masback, their chief executive, has declared none of the 10 are competing in Sydney, but Ljungqvist's contempt for the US system is such that he is not even prepared to take Masback at

t-and-f: more on drug testing

It certainly seems a good idea to hand over drug testing to some kind of independent body. There will always be an appearance of conflict of interest in USATF, the IAAF or the IOC having a hand in drug testing. Most of the speculation about suppressed tests, after all, centers around the IOC

Re: t-and-f: Johnson graceful to the last

--- Eamonn Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Electronic Telegraph Sunday 1 October 2000 James Mossop "I will miss it but right now the risk is far greater than the reward. Nobody has been near me for 10 years but I do not want you to be writing 'Michael's lost it' or 'Michael's finished'

t-and-f: Khannouchi Live

We are live from the Syracuse Festival of Races where Khannouchi, Todd Williams, Paul Pilkington and John Tuttle are assaulting the US road open and masters record in 5K. http://TrackMeets.com DR KAMAL JABBOUR - Engineer, Educator, Runner, WriterO o 2-222 Center for Science and

t-and-f: OSU Cowboy Jamboree, ACU men over Arkansas

Individual results were not available on OSU's website. MEN Teams: 1, Abilene Christian, 40; 2, Arkansas, 50; 3, Oklahoma State, 73; 4, Texas, 170; 5, Kansas, 202; 6, Missouri Southern, 231; 7, Baylor, 231; 8, Texas Tech, 277; 9, Houston, 296; 10, SW Missouri State, 303; 11, Wichita State, 309;

Re: t-and-f: Korzeniowski walks into Olympic history

The reason that electronic judging is not used is that they have not yet come close to a satisfactory device. As for cheating I would say that the majority of the walkers were NOT cheating ie( knowingly breaking the rules Former British chief coach Frank Dick had a good idea. He reckoned a

Re: t-and-f: A variety of subjects - just catching up...

Dan wrote: --- Alan Shank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W 100H semis final What happened to Devers? One said she just stopped, another said she pulled up lame. Surprisingly little talk about this. Certainly the least apparent injury I can recall seeing. Aren't the Olympics the "once in a

Re: t-and-f: pacemakers

--- Marko Velikonja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's distressing about pacemakers to me is not so much that they turn races into time trials, but that they are in effect part of a race-fixing scheme. They are generally hired by the meet promoters to bring the field through certain distances

t-and-f: Times at the 4X400m women

Note how over-optimistic (as I had commented) the 3:17-3:18 minute forecasts were for the women's long relay. I wrote, given the sorry shape of current 400m running, that a time below 3:20 was not necessary for the victory and not likely to be achieved by any team. In the end, the mysterious

Re: t-and-f: A variety of subjects - just catching up...

I was at the '84 Olympics, and still think Cameron's run was one of the gutsiest ever. He pulled right in front of us at about 100m into the race, leapt about 6 foot into the air, came to a dead stop, then blasted off again. Tony Craddock At 07:55 AM 10/1/00 -0700, you wrote: Dan wrote: ---

RE: t-and-f: pacemakers Why didn't they think of it?

--- malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only wimpy distance runners complain about the weather -- but none of those wimps were in the Olympic finals, are they? I will defer to you on that one, since you mentioned the weather as the reason for the slow times. Your "plan" to mitigate the effects

t-and-f: Result request etc.

Netters: I would appreciate it if there is anyone on the list who can direct me to a site where I might find an in-depth result of today's half-marathon at Windsor Castle. On another matter, did anyone nitce the bad mistake made in the exchange to Marion Jones in the 4 x 400. It's

t-and-f: Sydney notes...

Dear Listers, Now that The Games have concluded, just thought I'd share a few observations: 1- Marion should've gotten five. Marion displays just a bit of immaturity when dealing with questions about the LJ. I don't think it would be disloyal to get some extra help from people who have

t-and-f: (no subject)

My husband and I have been to every summer Olympics since 1976 and every outdoor world championships. However, we decided not to go to Sydney. So we asked all of our friends not to tell us any results, listened only to a classical music radio station, watched only tv we knew would not have

t-and-f: Bernard Williams - Call your Agent

As many of you know, sprinting is a hind-brain activity. The trick is when not sprinting to switch back to the cognitive functions...if they exist. Bernard, thanks for the show, but the act still needs more work before you can put it on Broadway. Tony Craddock PS For those of you that

t-and-f: 4 by 400m legs by others.

According to the IAAF official site: Cathy freeman 49.4 Irina Privalova 49.6 Lorraine Graham 49.6 Olga Kotlyarova 49.8 seconds. Although some do not realize it, the major factor behind the clear win of the US 4x400m foursome was the absence of Russia's no. 3 and 4 strings, Nazarova and indoor

Re: t-and-f: USTF facing ban over drug testing

On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:46:07 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 9/30/00 9:59:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: drugs-positives still unresolved. Craig Masback, their chief executive, has declared none of the 10 are competing in Sydney, What does this have to do with

t-and-f: Fwd: Esso Five-Star Award Scheme

I am forwarding this message from a runner in Germany. I assume he found my e-mail from the list archive. If someone has information, please forward it to Mr. Ettner at the address below. Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Florian Ettner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: t-and-f: pacemakers

The answer is to ban rabbits (pacemakers) who may also engage in boxing, elbowing, blocking, and pre-strategized surges to benefit their countrymen... and replace them with... the old light system used on the mid-70's pro track circuit. Set the lights to the exact world record pace- no surges

Re: t-and-f: WARNING- MARATHON RESULTS DISCUSSED

The story in the Bee, from Amy Shipley of the Washington Post, headlined: "Jones runs exceptional relay leg in women's 4 X 400" Later, she wrote: "...a mind-blowing relay leg by Jones..." 49.6 is not exactly "mind-blowing." After all, FloJo ran about 48.1 in Seoul. Does anybody know what kind of

Re: t-and-f: WARNING- MARATHON RESULTS DISCUSSED

"R.T." wrote: I heard that Marion and Cathy had the two fastest carries, both equal- 49.4 or 49.5. You usually see a few sub-49 legs in these relays. Well, I guess not. I just check '99, and Breuer's 49.04 was the fastest. In '97, Breuer ran 48.69 and Jearl 49.19. I guess the really fast

Re: t-and-f: Bernard Williams - Call your Agent

It was even worse when they got their Medals and on their victory lap. He was embarrassing to watch and a disgrace, as were all members of the 4x100m. Against the Olympic spirit and good sportsmanship. Disrespectfull to the national athem also. Maurice Greene apologized for their actions later

Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes...

1- Marion should've gotten five. Marion displays just a bit of immaturity when dealing with questions about the LJ. I don't think it would be disloyal to get some extra help from people who have tremendous resumes', such as a Carl Lewis or a JJK...or Bob Kersee and Tom Tellez. She also

t-and-f: U.S. men's 4x100 antics

In spite of the big deal that NBC made of it, the behaviour by the Americans was small potatoes. What they did would be a perfectly acceptable mode of exhuberation and celebration in almost any U.S. urban setting. Hey guys, the trouble is you're not IN a U.S. urban setting. Inexperienced

Re: t-and-f: (no subject)

My husband and I have been to every summer Olympics since 1976 and every outdoor world championships. However, we decided not to go to Sydney. So we asked all of our friends not to tell us any results, listened only to a classical music radio station, watched only tv we knew would not have

t-and-f: Class clowns

mark whicker Class clowns COMMENTARY: After winning gold, the U.S. relay earns a medal for stupidity October 1, 2000 Orange County (CA) Register http://www.ocregister.com/sports/whicker.shtml Keith Conning Vacaville, CA

Re: t-and-f: USTF facing ban over drug testing

RT wrote: snip long rant RT you have made many valuable contributions to this list and I generally read your posts with pleasure, but your last message was out of line. I wholeheartedly agree that there is a lot wrong with the current anti-doping policies of various sport governing bodies.

Re: t-and-f: U.S. men's 4x100 antics

- Original Message - From: R.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, the trouble is you're not IN a U.S. urban setting. Inexperienced athletes on an international 'stage' forget to think about it- you can't just NOT offend your peers, you've got to avoid offending MOST people! If you

Re: t-and-f: U.S. men's 4x100 antics

I would expect to have to watch high school athletes act the way they did, not international competetors representing their country. I was embarassed by their extremely unsportsman-like gloating and parading and felt very offended. What a bunch of asses! ESPECIALLY Bernard Williams. What a

t-and-f: America's Disgrace!!

Some years ago I gave up watching what Americans call "Football" and Basketball in disgust at the off-field criminal behaviour and boorish antics of the apparently mentally challenged elements who represent those sports professionally. Today I have decided to sever any future involvement with

t-and-f: MJ vs. Freeman

My favorite post-Sydney matchup would be Cathy Freeman vs Marion over 400m.. I think Marion would eat her alive! MJ looked pretty smooth on her leg, not to mention she ran 49.56 way back in April. = Gary Liguori UWYO Go Pokes! __ Do You

Re: t-and-f: pacemakers

In a message dated 10/1/00 12:12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, the drug cynics did predict slow times in the distance events, although it wasn't true across the board. Indeed, the women's 5 10 were very fast - maybe they aren't experienced enough at the longer distances to know

t-and-f: Athlete of the Games . . . ?

Head and shoulders above any other athlete - Korzeniowski's 20K and 50K walk double. Nobody else even come close!

Re: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of ALEXANDER KARELIN

In a message dated 9/30/00 11:33:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the guy who does the sports television column for USA Today (Rudy Martze?) gave his views as to best Olympic announcers, etc. and in the Commentator category he listed Carol second, Maybe, being in the Land Down Under, he was

RE: t-and-f: USTF facing ban over drug testing

God Bless Americaand Americans Regards - GT "Foreigners think we're rude anyway." US Olympian Nanceen Perry -Original Message- From: R.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 2 October 2000 7:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: USTF facing ban over drug testing

t-and-f: Suzy's Place in American (Olympic Metric) Mile History

This is going to be long and undiluted, so if you're not prepared for that, you'll probably want to hit your delete key Alan Shank wrote on Saturday, before the NBC telecast: Runyan led at 400, but at 70.6. Suzy led at 800 in 2:16 (65.4). I read that Suzy was leading at the bell, but

Re: t-and-f: Liquori's comments

My apologies to Marty then. Schiefer

t-and-f: A patron saint for the sport?

Netters: It was entirely appropriate that, as the Olympics closed out in Sydney on Oct. 1, one of the saints being canonized in Rome that day was Mother Katherine Drexel, founder of the Sisters of the Blessed Sacrament. What is the connection? Her order founded Xavier University in

t-and-f: (fwd) Track Listserve Admin - Help Needed!!

-forwarding on behalf of Michael Roth-- Would the List Administrator please contact me, as I have been unable to post here in a few days. Thank you, MJR [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: U.S. men's 4x100 antics, Class Clowns, etc.

I'm reminded of two earlier examples of public disfavor at victory stand behavior, although emphatically of a very different kind. In 1968, Tommie Smith and John Carlos were denied relay participation and sent home for their eloquent, silent, dignified statement, during the 200m medal

Re: t-and-f: U.S. men's 4x100 antics

Scott wrote: I would expect to have to watch high school athletes act the way they did, not international competetors representing their country. I was embarassed by their extremely unsportsman-like gloating and parading and felt very offended. What a bunch of asses! ESPECIALLY Bernard

Re: t-and-f: U.S. men's 4x100 antics, Class Clowns, etc.

The two track field events of '72 are interesting- Vince Matthews twirls the gold medal around his finger on the victory stand and is immediately banished by his Federation. Wasn't even given a chance to apologize. Dave Wottle absent-mindedly forgets to doff his hat (but puts his hand over

t-and-f: director of fun

Jules Trigueiro Director of Fun, Prefontaine Classic I remember dancing with Jules in Eugene in 1982. It was fun. You don't get that much chance to dance with promoter's wives in Europe and nor would you want to. Randall Northam

t-and-f: Bernard Williams - Call your Agent

As many of you know, sprinting is a hind-brain activity. The trick is when not sprinting to switch back to the cognitive functions...if they exist. Bernard, thanks for the show, but the act still needs more work before you can put it on Broadway. Tony Craddock PS For those of

t-and-f: Before Marty Liquori writes off El Guerrouj

Before Marty Liquori writes off El Guerrouj in favor of Coe as the greatest 1500m runner ever, "...out of the top ten" he said, lets compare the tale of the tape: You are not comparing like with like. Surely we all now by know that you cannot compare different eras in terms of time or the tape

t-and-f: test

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RE: t-and-f: Before Marty Liquori writes off El Guerrouj

We're reading from the same page on "...comparing different eras" and "...Herb Elliott"; however, Coe and his nemesis Ovett avoided each other at all costs and only ran in "fixed" races. That alone should drop them out of contention for "greatest ever". What I was illustrating with the stats is

t-and-f: Where was Herb

In a message dated 10/1/00 8:47:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Herb Elliott, the one Australian you never saw or heard of in Sydney An excellent point! With all the UCP stuff NBC did, how come they couldn't come up w/ a piece on Elliot Cerutty? Jim Gerweck Running Times

Re: t-and-f: SHAME, SHAME, SHAME

AMEN BROTHER AMEN 4 x 1 = "ugly americans" Mike (embarassed to be American) Fanelli - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 1:58 PM Subject: t-and-f: SHAME, SHAME, SHAME SHAME, SHAME, SHAME Olympic Games,

RE: t-and-f: Independant Olympic Athletes?

He was one of the three or four athletes from East Timor. Paul! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of P.F.Talbot Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 9:53 PM To: Track list Subject: t-and-f: "Independant Olympic Athletes?" In the marathon results

Re: t-and-f: Korzeniowski walks into Olympic history

In a message dated 10/1/00 10:25:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If contact was not maintained it would light up, setting off a small explosive charge ju8st big enough to blow their heads off. Great! Racewalking goes from least watched event in TF to #1, and the sport rivals NASCAR for TV

(fwd) Re: t-and-f: Where was Herb

DeCastella in the marathon would have been a good 'where are they now' too. Although here on the west coast, the marathon 'just started', so I may see DeCastella yet! (yeh, sure...) RT On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 19:14:24 -0700, R.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:49:34 EDT, you

t-and-f: USATF, doping, and the US legal system.

The demagogues have come out in full force in a transparent effort to give support to Masback and the USATF for their indefensible position of suppressing the positive drug tests of American athletes. Now Doriane Lambelet Coleman, the Duke University law professor who gained some notoriety by

Re: t-and-f: USATF, doping, and the US legal system.

The fact is, with few exceptions, our legal system is built around the concept of openness of the adjudication process -- there is no "right to secret back-room tribunals". If you are an airline pilot, a train engineer, a bus driver or, yes, even just an ordinary private citizen, have an

t-and-f: Seb Coe

SOME GUY WROTE ME: "I like Steve Scott a lot, and I admire everything he did on the track. But how you can compare him with these others is beyond me. They all won major international championships and all but Ngeny set World Records. If memory serves correctly, Scott never did." I

Re: t-and-f: Capel's start

Problem, Capel flinched, which does not constitute a false start. If his feet did not leave the pressure plates there would be no indication to the starting officials. He made a rookie mistake, ask Jon Drummond(Zurich) or Greg Foster. If you do not hear a recall keep going, period! I bet

Re: t-and-f: Boorish behavior

And who did you ask about this supposed disgrace? There was very little word of it among the throngs of fans, who dictated the celebration. The complaints came from the media, and a couple of athletes, who quite frankly seemed bitter. Do you know those guys had no clue they had done anything

t-and-f: Brown hails setback for blood dopers

Electronic Telegraph Monday 2 October 2000 Tom Knight JON BROWN delivered the most chilling comment on these Games after finishing fourth in the marathon, the final event of this two-week spectacular. Unfancied for a medal, with no form at all this year because of injury, Brown came within

RE: t-and-f: Boorish behavior

Willy B is right!!! Every published picture and video replay shows a wildly enthusiastic and complicit crowd. Another case of the media creating news. Besides, who the hell is Costas and NBC, with the Karelin fiasco, to be pointing fingers? malmo!TM Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit

t-and-f: IAAF say GB more open than America

Electronic Telegraph Monday 2 October 2000 Mihir Bose THE United States of America Track and Field cleared two athletes who had been found to be positive for nandrolone without telling anyone in a move which has been described as "alarming" by the International Amateur Athletic Federation's

t-and-f: My Olympics: Denise Lewis

Electronic Telegraph Monday 2 October 2000 My Olympics: Denise Lewis Sept 4: Finally leave for Australia, a week later than planned. Achilles heel injury has kept me grounded. Preparations have not been ideal, what with intensive physiotherapy and growing fear that I'm not fit to go. But

t-and-f: OLY MARATHON CHAMP IS 22 YEARS OLD!!

Underscoring the thread of earlier this week re: US marathoners needing to incorprate the event into their program at an earlier age, we note that today's Olympic Marathon Champion (Gezahenge Abera of Ethiopia) checks in at the ripe young age of 22 (d.o.b. April 23, 1978). I rest my case.

Re: t-and-f: Women's 10,000m Report

Electronic Telegraph Sunday 1 October 2000 Mark Reason She [Paula Radcliffe] admitted as much when she said: "I am really, really disappointed. I suppose it was a PB, but I could have run faster if I hadn't used such tactics. Trying to win the race probably cost me a medal. Who remembers who

t-and-f: Athens handed a brilliant flame

Electronic Telegraph Monday 2 October 2000 Sue Mott THE Games of the 27th Olympiad, begun with a whistle on the hockey field, ended with the roar of an F111 jet as it swooped over the Olympic Stadium in a passable imitation of triple gold medallist Marion Jones. To the end, as they had

Re: t-and-f: America's Disgrace!!

In 1997 I went to the USATF champs in Indy. Saturday night, my wife and I and a friend went out to dinner. We encountered another friend who was sitting with two sprinters (both Olympic champions, World champions, and WR-setters) and joined them for dinner. During the course of the

t-and-f: Quote of the Day

For something completely different: Racewalker Bernardo Segura, on being disqualified from 1st place for lifting in the 20km Walk at Sydney: "They can't disqualify me," Segura said. "It would be unfair because I ran a clean race." Um, Bernardo, I hate to tell you this, but..that's

t-and-f: Brdige to Bridge Results

Results 24th Annual Bridge to Bridge Race San Francisco, CA 12k Men's Division Jason Balkman 36:33 Reuben Chesang 36:54 Simon Sawe 36:59 Women's Division Natalie Nalepa 42:30 Maria Trujillo 44:13 Chris Lundy 44:29 7k Men's Division Eric Polonski 21:46 Wilhelm Gidabuday 21:52 Juan Torrealba