RE: t-and-f: Yawn
Yep, it killed half the Dutch cycling team one year and rumor has it Jeff Drenth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vincent Duncan Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:03 AM To: 'malmo'; 'Bob Duncan'; 'Martin J. Dixon '; t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: t-and-f: Yawn Yes what you say is true, but it can also kill you I am a dialysis patient and I take it, but believe me I am no super man. Duncan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of malmo Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:59 PM To: 'Bob Duncan'; 'Martin J. Dixon '; t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: t-and-f: Yawn Human beings are aerobic organisms. Anything that will help maximize that metabolic component will help athletic performance. . Imagine how a weak and lethargic a sedentary individual feels if afflicted with anemia. Treat them with erythropoietin and their strength comes back and they feel invigorated and energized to excel an mundane every day tasks. Now take a high performance athlete, were fractions of a percent in performance can make the difference of millions of dollars, treat them with EPO and you can't see the benefit? This should be obvious. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Duncan Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:26 PM To: Martin J. Dixon ; t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: t-and-f: Yawn Incredible for a 100m athlete to take EPO. But then again, it probably helps more for training than competition. Maybe Marion needs to give the 400m a shot before they yank her. (She was supposed to run Weltklasse today in a loaded field, but I don't want to know what happened until I watch the WCSN video!). She was defeated at Rome and that was her first defeat of the year. I don't know if she was beaten again or what. bob - Original Message - From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: t-and-f: Yawn -http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/18/AR200608180 0926.html
RE: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)
OK...I was only 10, but hadn't the USA won every pole vault gold prior to Munich with the exception of 1906? OH...and every basketball gold prior to Munich? And I remember our coach in high school telling us they had the poles in 1972 so they were readily available. It sure sounds like the fix was in to me. Seriously though I'm not a conspiracy theorist but it does make for an interesting thread. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Ruth Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 5:56 PM To: t-and-f Subject: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .) On 2004-05-16 20:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Bob Seagren's poles. I'm trying to remember the particulars. Of all the rulings in '72 this was the one I had the most problem with. It had to do with the pole Seagren was using being on the approved list. There was something about the pole having to have been available worldwide at least 12 months prior to the Games (so as to theoretically ensure an equal playing field). There was a big on-the-field argument about whether the 12 month requirement had been met- something that probably needed some analysis about just HOW widely it had been available in those 12 prior months. But my problem was with how it was enforced. There was every indication that with Seagren being the 'hottest vaulter in the world', the Games officials decided beforehand that they were gonna go after Seagren on the pole rule, but they kept it a secret. Then when all the vaulters were out on the field warming up with their poles, they made a big live-on-TV to-do about declaring Seagren a 'cheater' and demanded that he surrender the poles right there. Obviously had the concern been communicated to him months earlier, he could have trained on other poles and brought them with him. After a big argument he surrended the poles to IAAF head Adrian Paulen, borrowed an unfamiliar one from another vaulter, and still got the silver after being a huge gold medal favorite beforehand. So my problem may not be so much with the basis for the ruling, but the procedure which the officials chose to follow. It was an obvious case of intentionally holding back a ruling until the worst possible time, in order to embarass an athlete and make it almost impossible for the athlete to to find a way to comply and compete. They intended to force Seagren to drop out by taking away his poles and leaving him 'pole-less' with no time left for Seagren to find an alternative means of competing. That another vaulter came to his help is something they didn't figure on.. It was obviously 'targeting Seagren' in my book- but it might be more because he was 'on top' rather than just because he was an American. Fortunately, SOME lessons were learned- many of the implement approval procedures we have today seem exceedingly bureaucratic and complicated, but they're a direct result of the Seagren fiasco. I think until after '72, while the rule said something about 12-month prior availability, the IAAF was not in the business of publishing an official approved list, making possible on-the-field dirty dealing like happened to Seagren. Now we have approved lists up the kazoo. Randy concludes his post with I was 16 at the time, perhaps giving it somewhat more believability than Ray Cook's, since Ray admitted to being only 10 at the time. There's no reason to think my version any better than Randy's, except that I was 44 at the time-- As I remember the events at Munich, the IAAF first banned the carbon-fibre poles a month before the games, then reversed itself four days before the prelims; then, after some highly questionable bench tests the night before the event, reinstated the ban on the basis of the carbon poles not meeting some sort of ad hoc stiffness-to-weight ratio limit. That worked to the disadvantage of world record holder Seagren, but also that of former record holder Kjell Isaaksson, bronze medalist Jan Johnson, Canada's Bruce Simpson, the fifth-place finisher, Sweden's Hans Lagerquist, France's Francois Tracanelli, USA's Steve Smith, etc., etc.; all of whom had expected to use the Pacer Carbon. Talking later with the Pacer people, I was told that the argument of prior availability was ridiculous, since the carbon poles were universally available (and available gratis to any vaulter of Olympic calibre), and the basic reason for their disqualification was that Wolfgang Nordwig, former world record holder and the eventual champion, had used the carbon pole but had not benefited to the extent of most vaulters and had returned to fibreglas poles, objecting to any competitor being permitted use of carbon. Three personal perspectives: Since use of the carbon poles wasn't reinstated until four days before the event, I'd feel quite sure that all of the vaulters had taken their own fibreglas poles to
RE: t-and-f: Eddie Hart returns to sprint wars
Interesting story. I was only 10 years old at the time but I still remember reading about it. I remember seeing Jim Ryun get tripped in a preliminary round and then not allowed to advance even though he finished, a practice that I hope has come to an end. I remember Bob Seagran not being allowed to use his poles. I remember the imposter who showed up to steal glory from Shorter. Do you think there was any anti-American sentiment involved? It sure looks that way. -Original Message- From: Ed Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:46 PM To: Ray Cook Subject: Re: t-and-f: Eddie Hart returns to sprint wars - Original Message - From: Ray Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:58 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Eddie Hart returns to sprint wars Hey...does anybody know how Robert Taylor managed to get the correct information but the Hart and Robinson didn't? Taylor didn't get the message any earlier; he was lucky enough to get there just in time, after the U.S. learned of the mistake. There was another factor in all this which no one ever mentions. One of the other two, I think it was Robinson,m had pulled up at the end of his heat in an earlier round and there was a question as to whether he would be ready. When he failed to appear---he was the first listed to run---we figured he was unable to run. It was only when the second runner also failed to appear that it became apparent there was something wrong. I was not covering the meet on a daily basis, but was with Hy Goldberg when we got back to the village. He had been hired that day by AP after his paper went down the drain the day before. When we got to the village, I accompanied him to the US headquarters and, when he went in to inquire about the injured runner, I walked over to the Irish rooms to see Mike Keoigh, a NJ lad who was running for his native country in the 5K. I was a few steps behind Stan Wright as I walked and almost caught up to ask him, just casually, whether Robinson (as I think it was) would be ready for the next round; hbut I figured he had enough on his mind and didn't. My question would probably have been phrased: will be he ready by 3 p,m.? What would have ensued i have no idea. The Irish headquarters, by the way, had the proper schedule posted on the inside of its front foor Ed Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 12:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Eddie Hart returns to sprint wars Greetings, all Buried in the results of last weekend's Modesto Relays is this intriguing 100: Men 100 Meter Dash MASTERS NameYear School Finals Wind = 1 Kevin Morning Unattached 11.25 2.8 2 Greg Turner Unattached 11.35 2.8 3 Eddie Hart Unattached 11.47 2.8 4 Peter Grimes Unattached 11.59 2.8 5 J. Smith Unattached 11.73 2.8 6 Calvin CarterUnattached 13.33 2.8 7 Martin Adamson Unattached 14.18 2.8 8 Benson Ford Unattached 14.61 2.8 -- Hubert Evans Unattached DNF 2.8 If this is THE Eddie Hart of Munich fame (or infamy), we're talking some incredible sprinting. Eddie just turned 55! Here's Eddie's bio on Mirko's site: http://www.tilastopaja.net/db/atm.asp?ID=11865 For you youngsters, here's a summary (copied from Web) of Eddie's Olympic nightmare: Eddie Hart and Rey Robinson had both been timed at 9.9 sec in the US trials and were regarded as the only men capable of beating the great Russian Valery Borzov. All three won their first-round heats in the morning, but there was no sign of Hart or Robinson as the 4.15pm start time approached for the second round. Their coach, Stan Wright, working from an 18-month-old preliminary schedule, thought their races were at 7pm and Robinson was just leaving the village three-quarters of a mile from the track when he saw on an ABC-TV monitor the very heat in which he was supposed to be running. Only the third and least fancied American, Robert Taylor, arrived in time for his heat. He went on to finish second in the final behind Borzov, who won the gold in 10.14 sec. Me again: 11.47 (albeit wind-aided) is amazing for M55. The listed world record is 11.57 by Briton Ron Taylor in 1991. Eddie is not a stranger to masters (except for past 10 years). He ran a 10.87 for an American M40 record in 1989. If Eddie is in fact back, welcome, Champ
RE: t-and-f: Eddie Hart returns to sprint wars
Hey...does anybody know how Robert Taylor managed to get the correct information but the Hart and Robinson didn't? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 12:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Eddie Hart returns to sprint wars Greetings, all Buried in the results of last weekend's Modesto Relays is this intriguing 100: Men 100 Meter Dash MASTERS NameYear School Finals Wind = 1 Kevin Morning Unattached 11.25 2.8 2 Greg Turner Unattached 11.35 2.8 3 Eddie Hart Unattached 11.47 2.8 4 Peter Grimes Unattached 11.59 2.8 5 J. Smith Unattached 11.73 2.8 6 Calvin CarterUnattached 13.33 2.8 7 Martin Adamson Unattached 14.18 2.8 8 Benson Ford Unattached 14.61 2.8 -- Hubert Evans Unattached DNF 2.8 If this is THE Eddie Hart of Munich fame (or infamy), we're talking some incredible sprinting. Eddie just turned 55! Here's Eddie's bio on Mirko's site: http://www.tilastopaja.net/db/atm.asp?ID=11865 For you youngsters, here's a summary (copied from Web) of Eddie's Olympic nightmare: Eddie Hart and Rey Robinson had both been timed at 9.9 sec in the US trials and were regarded as the only men capable of beating the great Russian Valery Borzov. All three won their first-round heats in the morning, but there was no sign of Hart or Robinson as the 4.15pm start time approached for the second round. Their coach, Stan Wright, working from an 18-month-old preliminary schedule, thought their races were at 7pm and Robinson was just leaving the village three-quarters of a mile from the track when he saw on an ABC-TV monitor the very heat in which he was supposed to be running. Only the third and least fancied American, Robert Taylor, arrived in time for his heat. He went on to finish second in the final behind Borzov, who won the gold in 10.14 sec. Me again: 11.47 (albeit wind-aided) is amazing for M55. The listed world record is 11.57 by Briton Ron Taylor in 1991. Eddie is not a stranger to masters (except for past 10 years). He ran a 10.87 for an American M40 record in 1989. If Eddie is in fact back, welcome, Champ! Keep on trackin' Ken Stone http://www.masterstrack.com
RE: t-and-f: Why on the street?
Growing up in LA I used to run in the street on the asphalt as opposed to running on the sidewalk whenever there was enough shoulder that is was safe to run on. Anybody who has run over 100 miles per week in the city knows that running on the asphalt is much easier on your legs then running on the concrete sidewalk. I used to choose my routes accordingly so that there was enough room and as little traffic as possible. I also use to run on the left always facing traffic. The key was that I always chose certain roads. I've never had hypernutrenia. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed and Dana Parrot Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:59 PM To: Athletics Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? Well, here in California, people pretty much run on the sidewalk if there is one. Maybe the people running on the street when a sidewalk is available are the same jokers who drink so much that they get hypernutremia or who attempt a marathon on 20 miles per week (wait, I did that once!) - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: Dave Cahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: t-and-f: Why on the street? I have to ask all you road runners out there something that has been bothering me for way too long. Every time I see what looks to me like a recreational runner running, they are always on the street, even when a perfectly good sidewalk is available right next to them? All of the serious runners I know and have asked, tell me that they run on the sidewalk when they can. It just seems like common knowledge to not run on the street if you don't have to. (Sometimes I know there is not much of an option, but I am talking about when there is one.) It is obviously very dangerous and there have been multiple times I have had to swerve my car to avoid some jogger running in the street at night. I see it so many times that I really wonder if they are being told to do so by some running book or magazine. Has anyone seen anything published anywhere telling people to run in the street? Is there any logical reason? Like running up and down curbs is dangerous or unhealthy for some reason? Like they think they have the same road rights as cyclists? Are they just too lazy? I just don't get it. Does this bother anyone else or is it just me? I am very curious at to what you all think. Thanks, Dave Cahill Greater Boston Track Club __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
RE: t-and-f: Why on the street?
Oh...and let's not forget that today's modern sidewalks are completely useless since for some reason municipalities and developers have decided it's ok to put street lights, telephone poles and fire hydrants in the middle of the sidewalk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed and Dana Parrot Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:59 PM To: Athletics Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? Well, here in California, people pretty much run on the sidewalk if there is one. Maybe the people running on the street when a sidewalk is available are the same jokers who drink so much that they get hypernutremia or who attempt a marathon on 20 miles per week (wait, I did that once!) - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: Dave Cahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: t-and-f: Why on the street? I have to ask all you road runners out there something that has been bothering me for way too long. Every time I see what looks to me like a recreational runner running, they are always on the street, even when a perfectly good sidewalk is available right next to them? All of the serious runners I know and have asked, tell me that they run on the sidewalk when they can. It just seems like common knowledge to not run on the street if you don't have to. (Sometimes I know there is not much of an option, but I am talking about when there is one.) It is obviously very dangerous and there have been multiple times I have had to swerve my car to avoid some jogger running in the street at night. I see it so many times that I really wonder if they are being told to do so by some running book or magazine. Has anyone seen anything published anywhere telling people to run in the street? Is there any logical reason? Like running up and down curbs is dangerous or unhealthy for some reason? Like they think they have the same road rights as cyclists? Are they just too lazy? I just don't get it. Does this bother anyone else or is it just me? I am very curious at to what you all think. Thanks, Dave Cahill Greater Boston Track Club __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
RE: t-and-f: Bix 7 road race report
Oh...I will get even! That wasn't me. It was my slow evil twin brother. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Trujillo Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Bix 7 road race report Greetings all, Yesterday was the Bix 7M race here in Davenport, IA. Race start conditions were 75 Fahrenheit with 85% humidity. Uggh. Temperatures rose during the race, while humidity dropped slightly. Nice breeze from the east cooled the runners during the first half of the out-and-back course, with significant hills at the start and turn-around, and another long grade at about 5.5M. Men's winner Meb Keflezighi broke away from Abdi Abdirahman at about 1.5M with a 4:12 downhill mile, built a huge lead of about 400M and coasted to a :52 victory in 32:36. Abdirahman was 2nd in 33:28, Kyle Baker 3rd :05 behind Abdi, then a group of contenders between 33:50 and 34:25--Brian Sell, Jeff Campbell, Ryan Kirkpatrick, former winner Phillimon Hanneck, Rod DeHaven, Scott Strand, and Keith Dowling. Meb's winning margin was 3rd-largest in race history, with Bill Rogers having the widest-ever lead at the line. Rogers won his age group yesterday in his 23rd Bix race, BTW. Women's winner Colleen de Reuck took command in a similar fashion, opening an early lead and steadily cranking away to 37:44 (a :41 margin of victory) at the line. She joins Joan Samuelson as the only 4-time winners, male or female. 2nd went to former Big 10 champ Katie McGregor of Michigan in 38:25, followed closely by Libbie Hickman, Cheri Kenah, and Jeanne Hennessy (between 38:43 and 38:55). About a minute back, covering a :40 spread, were Rosa Gutierrez, Monica Hostetler, Nicole Kulikov, Kim Pawelek, and Faith Byrum. The race served as the American 7-mile championship. Prize money was available only to Americans, keeping the usual slew of Africans and other furriners away (leading to considerable controversy in the local media, especially post-9/11). Performances were thus much thinner than in years past, with only two women cracking the all-time top-100 list and only two men in the all-time top-150. If anyone wants more details, feel free to contact me privately. Oh, and list member Ray Cook ran 44:27 despite waiting nearly two minutes to get to the start line in the crowd of 16,158, and weaving through the walk/joggers for the first mile. You're welcome, Ray! -- *** Mike Trujillo, ex-Angeleno [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (563) 391-5448 ***
RE: Pharmaco-economics was: t-and-f: Olympic DQ's
Well, tell that to Jeff Drenth. At least that was the rumor when he died. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dan Kaplan Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:01 PM To: TF Subject: Re: Pharmaco-economics was: t-and-f: Olympic DQ's --- Buck Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always chuckle to myself when I read the oft-repeated idea that the athletes are ahead of the testers when it comes to science. What's so hard to believe about that? If someone can get their hands on the stuff (hypothetically speaking, of course), I assume it takes most semi-intelligent people very little science to inject or swallow it. On the other hand, testing for it would take a whole lot more science beyond just creating the drug, assuming the RD leading to the patent did not also include ways of testing for the drug's presence. Dan = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
RE: t-and-f: Olympic DQ's
I know Kurt is correct. A friend of mine headed the project team at Amgen which initially developed EPO sometime around 1985. He is now very wealthy. Coincidently he was also a semi-professional cyclist. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kurt Bray Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Olympic DQ's It is supposedly made to address anemia in Kidney dialysis patients rather than cancer patients. How anemia, and stimulating the production of RBC's, in each case differs is beyond me right now. The new stuff (Darbepoetin) is a slight modification of good old EPO. It has the same protein backbone as EPO but with modified sugars attached to it - designed to increase its hang time in the blood so that it doesn't have to be given so often. It seems to me that this modification would make it much easier to test for, as those skiers in Salt Lake City found out to their regret, because it is no longer identical to the natural endogenous substance. This same as natural characteristic, while wonderful for clinical uses, has hampered the development of effective tests that can distinguish the EPO your kidneys made from the EPO you bought at the gym. Both drugs are approved to treat dialysis anemia, and Darbepoetin is also approved for cancer treatment induced anemia, although EPO has also been used off label for that for a long time. local newspaper. It stated in no uncertain terms that Amgen had fully developed EPO by 1983. It made no mention of when it was available as a prescription drug This is an error by your newspaper (error in a newspaper? Shocking!). EPO could not possibly have been fully developed by 1983 nor even could it even have been available underground back then, because the gene from which all this recombinant EPO is made was not discovered until 1985. It's all documented in the scientific literature if you care to look. EPO did not become widely available in the US until it was approved by the FDA which was on June 1st, 1989. Between 1985 and 1989 there was only stuff available for clinical trials and whatever might have been stolen out of labs for dishonorable purposes. Kurt Bray _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
t-and-f: Cal-Neva Mile
For Immediate Release May 24, 2001 Club Cal Neva*Virginian 5K and Elite Mile to Benefit UNR Women's Track Team and Silver State Striders Reno, Nevada -- The 3rd annual Club Cal Neva 5,000 Meters Elite Mile, a pair of point-to-point races that finish in downtown Reno, will be held Saturday, June 16th. Racers will be vying for more than $8,000 in prize money. Proceeds will benefit the UNR Women's Track Team and the Silver State Striders, both non-profit organizations. Phillimon Hanneck, the first man to ever break 4 minutes for the mile in the State of Nevada (under any circumstance), will be back to defend his title. Last year, Hanneck became the first man to break the magical 4-minute barrier in Nevada when he completed the 1 mile course in 3:55.1 and earned $1,000 plus a $1,000 bonus for breaking 4 minutes. He will need to run faster this year if he plans on earning the $1,000 bonus. Defending women's champion in the Elite Mile, Lyudmila Vasilyeva, will be back to defend her crown. The Russian native will be aiming for the $1,000 prize awarded to the first-place women's winner. Both the men's and women's winners in the Mile will also receive a $1,000 bonus if a new course record is established. New this year is the 5K Run, Fun Run, Walk, and Fun Walk which start at College Drive and North Virginia with a scenic loop through the University of Nevada campus. The race starts at 8am and finishes in front of the Club Cal Neva*Virginian. The Elite Mile race is run on a USATF-certified course that includes a 67-foot drop in elevation. It starts at 9:30am at College Drive and North Virginia, passes under the Reno Arch, and finishes in front of the Club Cal Neva. The event is open to runners and walkers of all ages. The cost for pre-entry (by 5/31/01) is $15 for adults and $10 for children 18 and under. The entry cost thereafter is $20. For registration information, call 775-746-4540 or email Ray Cook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registration is available on race day at the start area on College Drive and North Virginia. T-shirts are guaranteed for pre-registered entrants only. Contact: Ray Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] (775) 746-4540
RE: t-and-f: SRO
I'll be standing whenever it is appropriate. The longest event takes 30 minutes. I don't know what the big deal is. If you don't want to be forced to stand in order to see then I suggest you stay home and watch on television. The coverage is so good and you won't have to worry about having someone stand, sit or talk to you during the 10K. The only time I have to stand during the TV coverage is whenever they show the walk. I say STAND, it's easier to hide the keg of beer if everyone is standing in front of it. -Ray
RE: t-and-f: LYNN NELSON in ULTRAMARATHON
So what you're saying is that those of us on the list who have very little respect for the "race" walk (a definite oxymoron) should have even less respect for talent of ultra-marathoners. You're probably right -Ray -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J. Roth Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Track Listserve Subject: Re: t-and-f: LYNN NELSON in ULTRAMARATHON 7:45 pace for 31 miles is good? That pace would not even make the US 50km Race Walk team, and it is supposed to be an excellent run? This should shed some light on the ability of RWers worldwide. MJR
RE: t-and-f: On the topic of drugs in sport....
Taking into account that this interview came from "TESTOSTERONE MAGAZINE" I would have to say that the interview is biased towards Francis' point of view. Although I thought Francis made some interesting points with regards to the way only lower athletes get caught while established athletes, and we all know who he's referring to here, are protected. Rumors to this effect have been circulating around the track and field community in this country (USA) for the last 20 years. With the pending litigation surrounding the resignation of Dr Wade Exum we'll just have to sit back and see where the chips fall. I'm not going to, nor do I think anyone else should, make accusation of drug cheating by current or past athletes unless I had substantiated evidence and not just hearsay. If Exum has this evidence then this country's (USA) track field governing body and Olympic committee is, in my opinion, on the same level if not worse, than East Germany's during the 70's and 80's. With regards to Ben Johnson being setup by the testing machine being primed with stanazol, are there any list members out there who can substantiate his claim that it is the only way that pure stanazol could have been found in his urine? Was pure stanazol found in his urine? -Ray Cook -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R.T. Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: On the topic of drugs in sport In the interests of full and fair disclosure, it should be pointed out that R.T., while being a frequent and sometimes brilliant poster to this List, is also a USA Track and Field Official. As such, one would expect a reflexive lack of support from him for a Canadian espousing the heretical viewpoint that the sport was not clean. Actually, I would NOT go so far as to say that whatever Francis says, the opposite is true. However, there is every motivation for Francis to twist the story so that he is viewed in the best possible light. He is NOT the first person I would go to if I would want to find out the truth. By the way, make that FORMER USA Track and Field Official. I have resigned, for reasons that have nothing to do with my love for the sport, and everything to do with the need to spend more time with family... I will expect some of you young whippersnappers who are 'right out of college' and yet to have much in the way of family obligations to get involved and take my place as an on-the- field official. RT
t-and-f: Be Thankful
Hey, After watching the swimming coverage I think we should be thankful that the woman interviewing the swimmers after their races isn't heading over to the track; not that Jim Gray is much better. Who asks someone right after they finish a race if they're taking drugs? Come on...She's an embarrasment. I can't believe NBC didn't show the 100's this morning and then show the women's marathon live. Even our local NBC news here in Reno reported that Jones and Green won 5 hours before. They really blew it. I'm sure they'll blame the poor ratings on TF and say it's just not popular. -Ray Cook winmail.dat
RE: t-and-f: '74 AAU XC Natls. @ CRYSTAL SPRINGS
I'm probably one of the few who has had the pleasure (sarc) of running 10K X-C at Crystal. We had NCAA DII Western Regionals there in 1981. Connover won with F. Assumma 2nd and C. Assumma 3rd and DiConti 4th. I believe I was somewhere around 7th in 32:00 and our team, UCR, was quite victorious over the Cal-Poly's and Humbolt et al. I've always liked the course despite how brutal it is because it's tough but fair with pretty good footing the whole way. -Ray -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of mike fanelli Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: '74 AAU XC Natls. @ CRYSTAL SPRINGS Crystal Springs (Belmont, CA) served as my "home course" while at both CCSF and SF State University. I therefore have a serious love hate relationship with the less than subtle terrain... exposed, hilly, hot, rutted...all in all, brutal harrier geography. The venue "highlight" that I wanted to share was the fact that in 1974, the Nationals were held here. The 10KM senior men's race went something like this... 1. John Ngeno 29;58, 2. Neil Cusack 30:15 3. Ted Castaneda 30:22 4. Greg Fredericks 30:40 5. Taylor 30:43 6Tibaduiza 30:44 7. Mendoza 30:45 8. Johnson, Tuttle, Peterson, Shorter, Rojas, Bringhurst, Wallace, Howard, Liquori, McGuire, McCubbins, Staynings, Kardong, Timm, Moller, Zarate, Gregorio, Thomas, Crawford, Stemmer, Boit, Smith, McAfee, Brown, Lawson, Manley, Clark, Williams, Galloway, Childers, Clark, Flanagan, Hulst, Vigil, Barger, Ndoo, Leddy, Brown, Fleming, Ruffato, Babiracki, Bacheler, Garcia, TEAM Colorado TC, NYAC, Philly Pioneers, Eastern New Mexico, Club Northwest, Florida Track Club Junior 8KM 1. Bobby Thomas 24:25 2. John Roscoe 24:26 3. Roy Kissin 24:29 4. Ralph Serna 5.Eric Hulst, Buell, Morden, Arbogast, Fulton, Whitaker, Clary, Hansen, Lacy, Simonian, Kingery, Perez Needless to say, the course has some history...serious history...even if it is "merely" cross country (sorry Roger) ...anxiously awaiting Sydney (happy with whatever I can get in the interim) - Mike Fanelli
