Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote: Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com writes: Also, incline=* is still mathematically valid for nodes to indicate the instantaneous incline at that point, so I don't see a problem with that. The problem with nodes is

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matthias Julius wrote: The problem with nodes is that you can't tell to which way the incline applies when there is more than one connecting to the node. Unless there are exactly two, of which one ends and the other begins at the node. In Germany, less than 2% of highway=incline nodes are

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-28 Thread Randy
John Smith wrote: 2009/12/28 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Is it? Can you explain why? Conceptually, all you need is layer=* and the ability to detect the overlap of the building=yes area and the highway=* way. But I guess you're saying this is hard to encode with render rules? This may

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: but it still is strange to tag a node with a tag the meaning of which depends on a way, isn't it? Or more precisely, depends on a direction. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-28 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com: As far as rendering is concerned, neither layering nor covered is properly rendered at this time on any of the renders that I'm aware of. Did you file a request for enhancement against mapnik for covered?

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: Are there any other official node tags that depend on a parent way to be fully defined? Barrier=entrance et. al. spring to mind. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote: ... I would like to add a note to the 'highway=incline|incline_steep' tags on Map Features saying that they discouraged in favor of 'incline=*'.  I think there should not be redundant tagging schemes in Map

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: Are there any other official node tags that depend on a parent way to be fully defined? Barrier=entrance et. al. spring to mind. Also

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote:  I would also add the values 'up_steep' and 'down_steep' to 'incline=*' for this to be a equivalent replacement of the highway tags. -1. This is like having width=wide -

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Dave F.
Matthias Julius wrote: Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote: I would also add the values 'up_steep' and 'down_steep' to 'incline=*' for this to be a equivalent replacement of the highway tags.

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote: Are there any other official node tags that depend on a parent way to be fully defined? ... However, none of them, as far as I know, depend on the

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote: 'up/down' is in there to be able to tag an incline where the exact value is not known.  Adding '_steep' would allow to differentiate a little. Of course, what is steep and what is not is subjective - just like

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Isn't the up/down dependent on the direction of travel? Yup. With most roads being mapped as a single way would make it ambiguous. No. The value of incline=* refers to the direction of the way (the way direction being

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote: 'up/down' is in there to be able to tag an incline where the exact value is not known.  Adding '_steep' would allow to differentiate a little. Of course, what is steep

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: Of course, everyone can tag what he wants anyway. The question is what we want to encourage. This is like saying Anyone can drive at whatever speed he wants, the question is what we want to encourage. - ie, true, but

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Matthias Julius
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: Of course, everyone can tag what he wants anyway. The question is what we want to encourage. This is like saying Anyone can drive at whatever speed he wants, the question