[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread technikschlumpf
Hi, Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than the old amenity=fire_hydrant tag and there is a very active discussion on the German board: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=762 . Common hydrants can be tagged in the old way, but new ones should be

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
Most vineyards have something similar, though not always so heavily marketed, so I think you need to find a term that's more international. Perhaps tourism=vineyard_shop or just shop=vineyard. Richard On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:15 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 July 2010

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 20:02, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Most vineyards have something similar, though not always so heavily marketed, so I think you need to find a term that's more international. Perhaps tourism=vineyard_shop or just shop=vineyard. You some times can

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
winery: no such word in en_gb, we just use vineyard for the whole operation (though of course we don't do these things on the same scale as Australia). Unless you're going to distinguish between shop=winery and shop=vineyard, I'd use the more generic term in the tagging system. Richard

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 20:30, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: winery: no such word in en_gb, we just use vineyard for the whole operation (though of course we don't do these things on the same scale as Australia). Unless you're going to distinguish between shop=winery and

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Good idea, or just a local fix? Richard Personnally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a specific polygon for the bridge and link it to the roads, cycleways, railways, etc by a

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/07/2010 10:58, Richard Mann wrote: One of the things Dave Earl mentioned in his talk about rendering was the gaps-in-casings you sometimes get at bridges. What I've ended up doing is 1) rendering casings in layer (not underneath everything like Mapnik) That's what I did also in my

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/7/26 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Good idea, or just a local fix? Richard Personnally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a specific polygon for the bridge and link it to

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 20:45, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Personnally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a specific polygon for the bridge and link it to the roads, cycleways, railways, etc by a relation. I don't know for renderers but it would make contributors

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/07/2010 11:37, Pieren wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Good idea, or just a local fix? Richard Personnally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Liz
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Richard Mann wrote: winery: no such word in en_gb, we just use vineyard for the whole operation (though of course we don't do these things on the same scale as Australia). Unless you're going to distinguish between shop=winery and shop=vineyard, I'd use the more generic

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Craig Wallace
On 26/07/2010 11:30, Richard Mann wrote: winery: no such word in en_gb, we just use vineyard for the whole operation (though of course we don't do these things on the same scale as Australia). Unless you're going to distinguish between shop=winery and shop=vineyard, I'd use the more generic term

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
Most of these call themselves vineyards http://www.englishwineproducers.com/scvineyard.htm On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: can you provide a definition of this use of the word? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:48 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: The problem is as you zoom out so you can see the ways properly the widths vary, so once you zoom out a few levels you won't even see any bridge any more, which may be useful for navigating etc.. For such zoom

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/26/10 4:20 AM, John Smith wrote: On 26 July 2010 18:16,technikschlu...@web.de wrote: Hi, Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than the old amenity=fire_hydrant tag and there is a very active discussion on the German board:

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 21:20, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: For such zoom levels, the renderer might decide to render like the traditional bridge=yes. This would be a rendering decision. My concern is That seems to be overly complicated just to extend the length of the bridge where it doesn't extend

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/26/10 7:18 AM, Dave F. wrote: On 26/07/2010 11:17, Liz wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Richard Mann wrote: Most vineyards have something similar, though not always so heavily marketed, so I think you need to find a term that's more international. Perhaps tourism=vineyard_shop or just

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread fly
Am 26.07.2010 12:45, schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: Draw bridge as physical instance and bind ways to it in relation. Anyone up to make a proposal feature? Have a look at: wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Bridges_and_Tunnels cu colliar

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Good idea, or just a local fix? Richard Personally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a specific polygon

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: technikschlu...@web.de To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant Hi, Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than the old

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Dave F.
On 26/07/2010 10:58, Richard Mann wrote: One of the things Dave Earl mentioned in his talk about rendering was the gaps-in-casings you sometimes get at bridges. What I've ended up doing is 1) rendering casings in layer (not underneath everything like Mapnik) 2) putting in a flag to identify

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:25 AM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Why *should* newly entered hydrants use this new precise scheme.  Voting hasn't even started on the proposal, it might not get approved, the FRC start date is today, so it might get changed. I interpret that statement

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
Dave F (et al), Renderers draw roads (typically) by drawing a wide grey line on each segment, a grey circle at each node, then a narrower (say) white line on each segment, and a white circle at each node. All you see of the grey is a thin line on each side of the white line: this is the casing.

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Colin Smale
Shouldn't the layer_change be on the common point, not a way? A way (usually) has two ends, so putting the tag on a way will not indicate at which end of the way the layer change takes place. But then it degenerates to two (or more) connected ways with a different layer=* value, so the layer

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:  Shouldn't the layer_change be on the common point, not a way? A way (usually) has two ends, so putting the tag on a way will not indicate at which end of the way the layer change takes place. But then it degenerates to

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Dave F.
On 26/07/2010 14:07, Richard Mann wrote: Dave F (et al), Renderers draw roads (typically) by drawing a wide grey line on each segment, a grey circle at each node, then a narrower (say) white line on each segment, and a white circle at each node. All you see of the grey is a thin line on each

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Dave F.
On 26/07/2010 16:19, Richard Mann wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: So your saying to save the renders time, the data collectors have to waste time adding new tags? There was me thinking this was a project where we each did a bit for mutual benefit.

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:  On 26/07/2010 14:07, Richard Mann wrote:  If you draw the grey in the correct layer, then you get little semi-circular arcs of grey at the end of bridges (if they are layer=1). I've never noticed this in Mapnik,or an

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 26 July 2010 17:19:53 Richard Mann wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: So your saying to save the renders time, the data collectors have to waste time adding new tags? There was me thinking this was a project where we each did a bit for

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: Yes, but human mapping time is a far more scarce resource then computer working time. So let the computer fix it. Preprocess! Computer working time is rarely the limiting resource (otherwise we'd all have been out of a job long

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 26 July 2010 23:10:49 Richard Mann wrote: The advantage of creating a tagging scheme is that the complicated situations get sorted out by humans (who are good at that sort of thing) In this case the humans are very bad a it, because they can't read the mind of every graphic designer

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 26/07/2010 13:35, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Layer is used purely as an aid to the renderer to distinguish where two or more ways *cross* each

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Dave F.
On 27/07/2010 00:28, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 26/07/2010 13:35, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Layer is used purely as an aid to the renderer to

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 27/07/2010 00:28, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 26/07/2010 13:35, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dave