Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants - Timber Merchant

2010-07-30 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 7/30/10, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:56:51PM +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:13 PM, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote: I like the trade=* but why call it shop=trade . I doesnt sound good . Is there a restrictions on 'keys'

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: Discussing this for a day on the Tagging list is not enough for you to make this change. How much time should it take? I didn't really set a dead line but was trying to get comments on the idea...

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-30 Thread Steve Bennett
My two cents: winery is a better term than vineyard because, in some contexts at least, the two have distinct meanings. cellar door is a bad term because it will be taken literally by many people and lead to confusion. Given that there are wineries that don't sell direct to the public, and there

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants - Timber Merchant

2010-07-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:03 PM, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: Many of these places sell a very wide range of goods, so something like building_supplies is sufficiently general to cover such cases. Individual tags for every line would not be feasible, even if the average mapper could

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
On 30 July 2010 17:53, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that's another reason to tag them separately, right? So we can have amenity=hospital and emergency=ambulance_station I don't think that was ever in dispute, the only reference of emergency with hospital was to do with any

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-30 Thread Stephen Hope
On 30 July 2010 17:42, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Given that there are wineries that don't sell direct to the public, and there are wine shops not attached to wineries, and that a cellar door is really no more than a wine shop within a winery, I would suggest: Some cellar

Re: [Tagging] tagging bus stops served by more than one public transportation agency

2010-07-30 Thread Richard Mann
Ed - the proper way to do bus routes is using relations. The operator tag should be on the relation, and should only have one value. This is how we deal with geolocations being part of multiple geographical structures. If you want to add route_ref tags to the bus stops, then just make a single

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Liz
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Toby Murray wrote: Then I guess a question would be would pharmacies be medical=pharmacy or remain shop=pharmacy? When I visited Holland (probably before you lot were born) the pharmacy sold only pharmaceuticals. It would be a medical=pharmacy. In Australia the

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Mike N.
I don't understand this argument. Doesn't every tag change anywhere break every editor/renderer/search/data user whether or not you think it is correct? John has just as much right to go change all the amenity= tags to something more specific as you do to keep them the same. Data consumers

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-07-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Daniel Tremblay tremb...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding my cycleway=no_shoulder suggestion, here are a couple of example we see often in Quebec, where car and bicycle share the road without shoulders :

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread John F. Eldredge
In Nashville, Tennessee, USA, where I live, there aren't any ambulances based out of hospitals. The ambulances that handle emergency calls are all operated by the city fire department, and are based at fire stations. There are also commercial ambulance services, based out of various

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
Just to drag things back on topic, so far most claims seem to be vague and generalised, however the original proposal about shifting police and fire into an emergency category doesn't seem to have many/any of the draw backs of most POIs most people are going to search for most of the time.

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Ross Scanlon
Well done. Pretty much none of the others do. I look forward to your patches :) Heres the patch for the default.style for osm2pgsql node,way emergency text nocache,polygon Wasn't worth a diff patch as it's only one line. (30 seconds) Mapnik for instance has manual rules -

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Ian Dees
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.comwrote: While I follow this mailing list, I am pretty sure that many people working in the OSM ecosystem is not following the change that fast. It means that every one doing an app needs to do some significant work to

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 03:43, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: Here's an example of a change you claim you haven't made: No, I claimed to have made those, as I pointed out to you in a previous reply, what exactly was so important about these locations that no one could be bothered to spend 2

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 03:34, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: It appears that you have indeed made lots of changes in the database before discussing on the list: e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/771625043/history Hmmm thought I fixed that by reverting that changeset... I'll fix it now

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:05:19 +0100 Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 July 2010 16:26, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Total time 6 minutes Hundreds of hours, yeah right. The program I've been talking about uses osm2pgsql and mapnik so I'm well aware of

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Dave F.
On 30/07/2010 08:53, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Most ambulance stations here usually aren't joined to a hospital, patient transport is another matter but they usually aren't used for emergencies. Some stations aren't even close to a hospital, like this one near me, it's about 6km from the nearest

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Ross Scanlon
I just don't see an ambulance/fire station as an emergency. I mean, if you fall down and injure yourself you don't try get to the station you 'phone up get an ambulance to come to you. The suggestion is to have fire, police and ambulance as emergency. -- Cheers Ross

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Dave F.
On 31/07/2010 00:46, Stephen Hope wrote: On 31 July 2010 09:29, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I just don't see an ambulance/fire station as an emergency. I mean, if you fall down and injure yourself you don't try get to the station you 'phone up get an ambulance to come to you.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 09:51, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: If it ain't broke... This wouldn't have come up if everyone thought that, there is a lot of inconsistencies in the current tags on the map features page. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] tag groupings

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 10:39, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Ignoring for the moment the whole how do we change it thing brought up by the emergency tags, there seems to be a whole underlying issue that's worth looking at. The how is fairly simple, no one seems to have disagreed with that, the

Re: [Tagging] tag groupings

2010-07-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
First, I want to add some more arguments to the list: @ Cons Defined groupings approach - sometimes meanings will be read into a key that originally weren't there(1), this cannot happen with a generic type key @ Pros All in one approach - it's easier to find the correct tag if it *does* use the

Re: [Tagging] tag groupings

2010-07-30 Thread James Livingston
On 31/07/2010, at 11:07 AM, John Smith wrote: Maybe we should stop using words for key pair values and just come up with a database that issues ID numbers, half the problems with the current scheme is due to people treating enumerated key pairs in the same way they are used to using english,