Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: landuse=institutional would include values like military and cemetery, This one isn't so good. Landuse=military is perfectly valid, as military land is really different from other land in lots of respects, like the

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features%2FIce_creamaction=historysubmitdiff=532984oldid=531944 This doesn't seem quite right. Care to expand a bit? Regards, Simone ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:26:27 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features%2FIce_creamaction=historysubmitdiff=532984oldid=531944 This doesn't seem quite right. 27-18 + 1 abstain, seems an approved to me. Controversial, yes, but approved. --

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - social club

2010-09-27 Thread SomeoneElse
On 27/09/2010 01:55, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:36 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Not amenity=social_club? That seems to be in more widespread use... Why would we use amenity when we have a more specific key (leisure) that fits perfectly? Your're

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - social club

2010-09-27 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 27/09/2010 02:55, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:36 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 26/09/2010 23:35, vclaw wrote: I have created a proposal for mapping social clubs, by tagging as leisure=social_club. See

[Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
Hello all: I've created a proposal (or pre-proposal) in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shop#shop.3Dwedding to tag these kinds of bussiness. I would like to get comments to it in order to have it approved (or denied) in a near future Thanks Noel er Envite

[Tagging] Re-organizing food things? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 04:14:19 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:48 AM, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:26:27 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:49 AM, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: How would you call then shop=ice_cream, sneaked in the wiki without any discussion or voting or anything else? Another bad tag. On a related note: me and some other people on #osm-it were thinking about re-organizing the

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 27-9-2010 10:16, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Landuse should be covered by land cover (and buildings) where said cover exists. For example a landuse=retail area may be over half amenity=parking areas. And yet we call

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 David Paleino da...@debian.org: I'd say +1 to retail=food and food=cafe|restaurant|... though. -1, I wouldn't tag restaurants, cafes and others as retail. I am not opposing food=cafe / restaurant, etc., this would also be compatible with the current amenity-tag, but I don't see a big

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things?

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:05 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/27 David Paleino da...@debian.org: I'd say +1 to retail=food and food=cafe|restaurant|... though. -1, I wouldn't tag restaurants, cafes and others as retail. Why not? They're places where you buy things.

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things?

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:15:50 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:05 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer In German I would use Gastronomie as main tag for those, but I'm not sure if gastronomy would be the exact translation in English for this. My dictionary suggests catering as an

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Mike N.
(By the way, nobody seems to have brought up the existence of frozen yogurt places and whether these fit into the new tag.) Or Smoothie / Fruit Smoothie -only places. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoothie ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 9/27/10, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 04:14:19 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: [...] Almost every one of those approves is by someone living in Italy, which suggests discussion on the Italian mailing list or other discussion among a small group in an echo

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things?

2010-09-27 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:23 PM, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: Why changing an old and widely used amenity=restaurant+cuisine ? As it was mentionned many times in the past, discussing new keys is easy when it's about new features (e.g. craft). But changing old and well established tags

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things?

2010-09-27 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 9/27/10, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Why changing an old and widely used amenity=restaurant+cuisine ? [...] This can be accepted only if it's to clear ambiguities or add a real value but that's not the case here. mostly because the current system does not scale, with food+drinks places

[Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
recently there was introduced some weird stuff in bridge: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge bridge=yes bridge=aqueduct bridge=viaduct bridge=swing bridge=abandoned bridge=... I'm fine with yes, but also aqueduct, viaduct, swing may be OK, indicating all a

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
I already proceeded and removed abandoned cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:50 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: recently there was introduced some weird stuff in bridge: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge bridge=yes bridge=aqueduct bridge=viaduct bridge=swing bridge=abandoned bridge=...

[Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
Hello all: There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give Way and the other has not. How to tag them? My proposal is splitting the street in two highways with same name, same tags, etc, each one being one-way and exactly the same nodes, with one of them having an

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:48 AM, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:26:27 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org: Hello all: There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give Way and the other has not. How to tag them? If we consider the verse of the way, then probably a :forward vs. :backward specification would work. For

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 10:19, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Lennardl...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 27-9-2010 10:16, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Landuse should be covered by land cover (and buildings) where said cover exists. For example a landuse=retail area may be over half

Re: [Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org: Hello all: There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give Way and the other has not. How to tag them? tag the signs at their position (i.e. in countries driving on the right, put a node right of the way and tag

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 13:51, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I agree that this is the same problem. It isn't a good reason to keep bridge=abandoned IMHO. You could workaround with railway=abandoned, abandoned=tram, but for bridge the wiki states: bridge=type and abandoned is clearly not part of a typology

Re: [Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org wrote: Hello all: There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give Way and the other has not. How to tag them? My proposal is splitting the street in two highways with same name, same tags,

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:  On 27/09/2010 13:51, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I agree that this is the same problem. It isn't a good reason to keep bridge=abandoned IMHO. You could workaround with railway=abandoned, abandoned=tram, but for bridge the wiki states: bridge=type  and

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 27/09/2010 10:19, Nathan Edgars II wrote: But what I'm mostly concerned with is having a limited number of top-level landuse values. For example a large residential neighborhood can be tagged landuse=residential, but

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
I've used landuse in a slightly different way from what you say. After discussion on the talk-it ML, we agreed that single shops in a mainly residential block would be added as POIs, but not mapped as landuse=retail. However, if the shop was a separate building, then the landuse there would be

Re: [Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Lunes 27 Septiembre 2010 14:01:58 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer escribió: 2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org: Hello all: There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give Way and the other has not. How to tag them? tag the signs at their position

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread john
I would guess that a tourist strip would refer to a group of businesses that cater mainly to tourists, such as souvenir shops, rather than catering to local residents. Since the two are sometimes intermingled, my preference would be to use an area tag such as retail_area, and then map the

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: Also, in my mapping I've accounted for a possible future landuse=road. Therefore, any landuse area is smaller than or equal to a block. Also, as a consequence of this, parkings would be part of the landuse=road,

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I would guess that a tourist strip would refer to a group of businesses that cater mainly to tourists, such as souvenir shops, rather than catering to local residents. Since the two are sometimes intermingled, my preference would

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Luca Brivio
In data lunedì 27 settembre 2010 10:14:19, Nathan Edgars II ha scritto: And now we have a tag that replaces all ice cream places, thus providing less information than the former amenity=cafe/fast_food/etc. cuisine=ice_cream. How is this a good thing? Ice cream (and related products such as

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread john
One issue with tagging a commercial parking lot as landuse=road is that it is generally legal to use a road as a through route, whereas you can be issued a traffic ticket for simply cutting across a parking lot without stopping. Admittedly, this isn't always enforced. In my experience, this

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Luca Brivio luca.bri...@gmail.com wrote: In data lunedì 27 settembre 2010 10:14:19, Nathan Edgars II ha scritto: And now we have a tag that replaces all ice cream places, thus providing less information than the former amenity=cafe/fast_food/etc.

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Fast food is simply a style of serving: you go up to the counter and order. It has nothing to do with the cuisine. The Italians probably don't like to think of ice-cream as fast food, because that has connotations of

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 j...@jfeldredge.com: One issue with tagging a commercial parking lot as landuse=road is that it is generally legal to use a road as a through route, whereas you can be issued a traffic ticket for simply cutting across a parking lot without stopping.   Admittedly, this isn't always

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/25 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: For some reason, kerosin hasn't been able to post to the mailing list so I'm sending this out. We received great input over email and on the talk page for the social facility proposal so we decided to open it for voting:

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread john
So, in Italy, the owner of a private parking lot is not allowed to say that his parking lot can't be used as a public street? It is common in the USA to see signs at parking-lot entrances saying no through traffic. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse From

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Luca Brivio luca.bri...@gmail.com wrote: In data lunedì 27 settembre 2010 10:14:19, Nathan Edgars II ha scritto: And now we have a tag that replaces all ice cream places, thus providing less information than the

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Alessandro Rubini
Simone Saviolo: Fast food, in non-English-speaking countries, in associated with hamburgers, [...] Yes, although it's a cultural interpretation (that I share, FWIW). Actually saying kebab is fast-food is not that wrong, even if it sounds strange to me and others. But the main point of

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
What about abandoned=yes ? Noel er Envite ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things?

2010-09-27 Thread Mike N.
Why changing an old and widely used amenity=restaurant+cuisine ? +1 Although I agree that the current amenity=restaurant, fast_food...etc. is a bit awkward, it is nearly unthinkable that it should be changed because of the number of people who are already using and rendering the data.

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Alessandro Rubini rubini-l...@gnudd.com wrote: But the main point of fast-food is fast-meal, and actually people have lunch in a fast food. But you don't go to a coffee or gelateria to have lunch, that's the main reason why ice cream places don't qualify as

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 j...@jfeldredge.com: So, in Italy, the owner of a private parking lot is not allowed to say that his parking lot can't be used as a public street?  It is common in the USA to see signs at parking-lot entrances saying no through traffic. I wouldn't say he's not allowed. AFAIK (and

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Lennard
On 27-9-2010 16:25, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: What about abandoned=yes ? And expect every data consumer to have to parse that in addition to whatever bridge=* value you leave on the data. What's not there anymore is just that: not there anymore. It doesn't deserve a bridge=* tag.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - social club

2010-09-27 Thread vclaw
On 27/09/2010 01:36, SomeoneElse wrote: On 26/09/2010 23:35, vclaw wrote: I have created a proposal for mapping social clubs, by tagging as leisure=social_club. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/social_club Not amenity=social_club? That seems to be in more

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread john
Well, you presumably would have an intermediate step in which the railway is no longer being used for train traffic, but the rails and crossties (also known as sleepers) have not yet been taken up, so it isn't suitable yet for use as a cycleway. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re:

Re: [Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org: Hello all: I've created a proposal (or pre-proposal) in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shop#shop.3Dwedding to tag these kinds of bussiness. I would like to get comments to it in order to have it approved (or denied) in a

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com: There was indeed some discussion on the italian mailing list, where they felt the need to distinguish between italian style gelateria and other kinds of ice cream sellers and not only... this would give a space for regional variants

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:19:58 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/27 Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com: of course, we still have the problem with the tag name, since food+drink doesn't look quite right if is probably not good English, but I think it's quite appealing: it is

Re: [Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Lunes 27 Septiembre 2010 16:09:45 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer escribió: 2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org: Hello all: I've created a proposal (or pre-proposal) in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shop#shop.3Dwedding to tag these kinds of bussiness. I

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 15:39, Lennard wrote: On 27-9-2010 16:25, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: What about abandoned=yes ? And expect every data consumer to have to parse that in addition to whatever bridge=* value you leave on the data. What's not there anymore is just that: not there anymore. It

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 05:19:58PM +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/27 Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com: this would give a space for regional variants such as food+drink=biergarten|gelateria|whatever_else, preventing the creation of additional amenities whose usage makes

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Lennard l...@xs4all.nl: On 27-9-2010 16:25, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: What about abandoned=yes ? And expect every data consumer to have to parse that in addition to whatever bridge=* value you leave on the data. What's not there anymore is just that: not there anymore. It

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 17:10, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/27 Lennardl...@xs4all.nl: On 27-9-2010 16:25, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: What about abandoned=yes ? And expect every data consumer to have to parse that in addition to whatever bridge=* value you leave on the data. What's not there

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Lennard
On 27-9-2010 16:57, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Well, you presumably would have an intermediate step in which the railway is no longer being used for train traffic, but the rails and crossties (also known as sleepers) have not yet been taken up, so it isn't suitable yet for use as a cycleway.

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Lennard
On 27-9-2010 17:48, Dave F. wrote: Many railways in the UK, following Doctor Beeching's cuts, were abandoned, but much infrastructure, such as bridges, remain, are unused. If there's a usable bridge, it's bridge=yes. If there's no usable bridge, it's ruins=bridge or not even that. is

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Fast food is simply a style of serving: you go up to the counter and order. It has nothing to do with the cuisine. The Italians probably don't like to

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 17:37, Lennard wrote: And when I cycle such a thing and want to map it, it's: highway=cycleway And I'm done. How am I to know there used to be rails infrastructure there, years (and years) ago? If you know - tag it; if not - don't. It's not vital, but could be useful. But

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Alessandro Rubini rubini-l...@gnudd.com wrote: But the main point of fast-food is fast-meal, and actually people have lunch in a fast food.  But you don't go to a coffee or gelateria to have lunch, that's the

[Tagging] [OT] Re: Re-organizing food things?

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:08:56 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: [..] a restaurant produces the food (prepares it from raw or semi-worked material). irony Then it's clearly craft=restaurant! :-D [..] A place producing or processing customized goods. [..] craft=* for small production on demand

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: It seems to me that landuse is a mess. +1 landuse=agricultural would include values like farm and vineyard does this include farmyards, or would they be residential or industrial? What if they also sell to end customers?

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/6058662 That's clearly not a bridge I wouldn't even bother tagging it. well, it once was a bridge. I wouldn't tag it as bridge either. Where as clearly this is even though no traffic passes over it:

Re: [Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org: I expressely said in the proposal at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shop that it is not for clothings, yes, I understood this, but it was not what I expected. And many other people might not read the definition prior to using

Re: [Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread john
Shop=wedding is ambiguous. Going by the tag name alone it could be a shop selling wedding supplies (decorative materials used for weddings), a shop selling wedding gowns, or even a bakery specializing in wedding cakes, or any combination of the above. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re:

Re: [Tagging] [OT] Re: Re-organizing food things?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 David Paleino da...@debian.org: On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:08:56 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: a restaurant produces the food (prepares it from raw or semi-worked material). Then it's clearly craft=restaurant! :-D that's not the worst interpretation IMHO. It is much more craft then

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Yet there are still two uses of landuse: how people use a parcel of land (or larger area) vs. how a portion of that area is covered. One problem, the solution to which doesn't really lend itself to collaborative

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 kerosin kerosin@googlemail.com: Hey Martin, I would tag this as with amenity=community_centre! Our aim with that social_facility-proposal is to capture facilities for people with disadvantages or people in needs. The amenity you're describing is more general and responsive to

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
On 09/27/2010 12:17 PM, Dave F. wrote: On 27/09/2010 17:37, Lennard wrote: And when I cycle such a thing and want to map it, it's: highway=cycleway And I'm done. How am I to know there used to be rails infrastructure there, years (and years) ago? If you know - tag it; if not - don't.

[Tagging] community centres

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
I happened to stumble over http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcommunity_centre The definition restricts usage with this sentence The Community Centre is owned and provided by the local government. The linked wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_centre doesn't for

Re: [Tagging] community centres

2010-09-27 Thread john
Your proposed changes make sense to me. ---Original Email--- Subject :[Tagging] community centres From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Mon Sep 27 16:02:20 America/Chicago 2010 I happened to stumble over http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcommunity_centre The

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Liz
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:39:53 +0200 Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: That's one thing I've never really understood with railway=abandoned either. Sure, many of them have been converted into might fine cycleways, but that's just what they are now: cycleways. You can abandon a railway and still

[Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Lunes 27 Septiembre 2010 19:13:32 j...@jfeldredge.com escribió: Shop=wedding is ambiguous. Going by the tag name alone it could be a shop selling wedding supplies (decorative materials used for weddings), a shop selling wedding gowns, or even a bakery specializing in wedding cakes, or any

Re: [Tagging] community centres

2010-09-27 Thread Sean Horgan
agreed. there should be no restriction on who owns/provides the service. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 14:04, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Your proposed changes make sense to me. ---Original Email--- Subject :[Tagging] community centres From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Mon Sep

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-27 Thread Colin Smale
I am making a simple proposal of roundabout=priority_to_right to indicate a specific non-standard priority arrangement on some roundabouts occurring in some parts of mainland Europe. Please see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Roundabout_Priority Comments and suggestions

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things?

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/27/10 1:08 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: because not everyone to whom you give money to get something can be considered a retailer. Wikipedia states:In commerce, a retailer buys goods or products in large quantities from manufacturers or importers, either directly or through a wholesaler,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:36:18 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: I am making a simple proposal of roundabout=priority_to_right to indicate a specific non-standard priority arrangement on some roundabouts occurring in some parts of mainland Europe. Shouldn't this be better done with a proper

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread Sean Horgan
Thanks for the comments Martin, response below: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 13:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/9/27 kerosin kerosin@googlemail.com: Hey Martin, I would tag this as with amenity=community_centre! Our aim with that social_facility-proposal is to

Re: [Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread Sean Horgan
I prefer wedding_services over wedding_office, as my first thought with office was one of those Vegas drive-thrus. Either one will still cause some confusion though. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:05, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl:  I am making a simple proposal of roundabout=priority_to_right to indicate a specific non-standard priority arrangement on some roundabouts occurring in some parts of mainland Europe. Please see:

Re: [Tagging] community centres

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
YMCA is probably a good example of a private community centre. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 22:01, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 09/27/2010 12:17 PM, Dave F. wrote: On 27/09/2010 17:37, Lennard wrote: And when I cycle such a thing and want to map it, it's: highway=cycleway And I'm done. How am I to know there used to be rails infrastructure there, years (and years)

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: I took a stab at a definition and updated the wiki; let me know what you think A social facility is any place that focuses on improving the lives of others. that's very generic, while it is true it might still not be very helpful for a mapper who

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: But only add what is actually visibly there now. Not what was there fifty years ago. What was there 50 years ago is useful, and removing it would be vandalism. You can argue about whether Mapnik should show it, but don't

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 02:10:20 +0200 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: really? You would tag a place where heroine-addicts go to consume their drugs healthcare? social_facility:for=drug_addicted Caffeine addicts have amenity=cafe

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: But only add what is actually visibly there now. Not what was there fifty years ago. What was there 50 years ago is useful, and removing it would be vandalism. You can argue

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:23 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/28 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: But only add what is actually visibly there now. Not what was there fifty years ago. What

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 28/09/2010 01:11, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: But only add what is actually visibly there now. Not what was there fifty years ago. What was there 50 years ago is useful, I agree and removing it would be vandalism. I

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 28/09/2010 01:11, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: But only add what is actually visibly there now. Not what was there fifty years ago. What was there 50

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 September 2010 10:20, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Caffeine addicts have amenity=cafe Heroin addicts have the injecting room in Kings Cross, would that be leisure=injecting_room? :) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 September 2010 10:38, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: If historic data was kept within OSM it would become far to cluttered. Not if this data was filtered by default, and only shown if requested. The present method of showing everything is limiting for a number of reasons.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 September 2010 08:44, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: So, regular roundabouts (i.e., those that are common, with priority to the left) are tagged junction=roundabout, and non-standard right-hand-priority ones are circular ways without the roundabout tag. Wouldn't you just

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I disagree. How can it be vandalism if it's not there anymore? Because we don't only map what's currently there. To expand on this:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-27 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:51:27 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: So, regular roundabouts (i.e., those that are common, with priority to the left) are tagged junction=roundabout, and non-standard right-hand-priority ones are circular ways without the roundabout tag.

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Lunes 27 Septiembre 2010 23:27:18 Sean Horgan escribió: I prefer wedding_services over wedding_office, as my first thought with office was one of those Vegas drive-thrus. Either one will still cause some confusion though. What about wedding_organization ? Noel er Envite signature.asc

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread Sean Horgan
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 17:10, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: I took a stab at a definition and updated the wiki; let me know what you think A social facility is any place that focuses on improving the lives of others. that's

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 28/09/2010 01:41, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 28/09/2010 01:11, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: But only add what is actually visibly there now. Not what

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 28/09/2010 01:41, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Strawman. We're only talking about former railway alignments. Hmm... not sure you understand the meaning of the straw man argument. - You're (sic) statement Because we

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