Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-28 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 28.09.2010 02:48, John Smith wrote: On 28 September 2010 10:38, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: If historic data was kept within OSM it would become far to cluttered. Not if this data was filtered by default, and only shown if requested. The present method of showing everything is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/28 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:51:27 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: So, regular roundabouts (i.e., those that are common, with priority to the left) are tagged junction=roundabout, and non-standard right-hand-priority ones are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 02:50:35AM +0100, Dave F. wrote: [traffic circles] Do these genuinely still exist? I thought the French were the only ones to have these got rid of them when their roundabouts became gridlocked the rest of Europe took the piss out of them. :-) here in Italy we

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: Ok.  I'm seeing the trend here: succinctness. yes, maybe it's my personal preference, but I'd always go for the shorter version, if the content is the same..  Or is your point that assisted living is a confusing term? no, not at all. You are

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: office=wedding_planner sounds fine to me. +1  I'm actually going to need one of those pretty soon ;-) congrats! cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Colin Smale
The discussion here (and in talk-nl) seems to boil down to the question whether these traffic circles are a subtype of roundabout, or a junction type in their own right. I fully support all those who suggest they are a separate junction type. My proposal was based on the premise that most people

Re: [Tagging] community centres

2010-09-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com: Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com wrote: agreed.  there should be no restriction on who owns/provides the service. Yes but then we must provide operator=* yes, we should encourage the use of operator, which might not be the same as proprietor

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: intersections [1]. It is just a road that happens to be circular in shape, with semaphores or stops along it. who get's the right of way, when the traffic lights turn off (say due to a technical problem)? The traffic in the circle or the one

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: intersections [1]. It is just a road that happens to be circular in shape, with semaphores or stops along it. who get's the right of way, when the traffic lights turn off (say due to a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: 2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: intersections [1]. It is just a road that happens to be circular in shape, with

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Pieren
What I'm usually doing for such traffic circles is drawing a circle tagged highway=* + oneway=yes + a note=this is not a roundabout. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Martes 28 Septiembre 2010 09:06:44 Elena ``of Valhalla'' escribió: On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 02:50:35AM +0100, Dave F. wrote: [traffic circles] Do these genuinely still exist? I thought the French were the only ones to have these got rid of them when their roundabouts became gridlocked

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/28/10 8:32 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/28 Mike N.nice...@att.net: office=wedding_planner sounds fine to me. I agree with this. However, I have also seen a number of local shops which sell only wedding supplies (dresses, etc) but offer no wedding services. They could

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-28 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Martes 28 Septiembre 2010 13:32:40 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer escribió: 2010/9/28 Mike N. nice...@att.net: office=wedding_planner sounds fine to me. I agree with this. However, I have also seen a number of local shops which sell only wedding supplies (dresses, etc) but offer no wedding

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-28 Thread André Riedel
2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: yes, probably a specific tag would be suitable: shop=wedding_dresses or shop=wedding_clothes. Because nobody who looks for casual clothing would want to find a specialized wedding shop, and usually who looks for a wedding shop would want

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com: According to this I found an already exsiting tag in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:clothes with clothes=wedding the page is from August 17th, I don't remember any notice here on tagging or on talk (or talk:de) and I see the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/28 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: If you leave it at that, a navigation program might not recognise it as a {roundabout|traffic_circle} so instead of saying at the next roundabout take the second exit it would produce confusing instructions. Another non-problem. As you enter the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: a satnav tells me third exit of the roundabout It's unrelated, but Navit (the supposedly best available navigator that uses OSM maps) fails utterly at counting the exits of a roundabout. It will include also oneway ways entering the roundabout,

Re: [Tagging] community centres

2010-09-28 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
M?rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: what about changing this to The operator tag is used to name a company, corporation, person or any other entity who is in charge of the operation of a certain map object and putting it on top of the page. We could then put the stuff quoted

Re: [Tagging] community centres

2010-09-28 Thread Sean Horgan
sounds good, no objections. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 01:59, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/9/28 Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com: Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com wrote: agreed. there should be no restriction on who owns/provides the service. Yes but then

[Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: sounds good, no objections. OK, as this is IMHO no real change, I put it in the wiki. Now I realized something else: according to the German ML for tagging certain objects 3 tags are useful: name, operator, brand e.g. a petrol station: name would be

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-28 Thread Dave F.
On 28/09/2010 10:28, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/28 Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com: For those who want to keep historic records ( I think there should be), they should take a record of current data at regular intervals keep it in a separate database. that's not a good option: those

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: I know the voting has started and changes to the proposal are off-limits, but I was considering the addition of animals to the social_facility:for subtag: {{tag|social_facility:for|animals}} for me it's fine, but there is also a dedicated animal

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread ael
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 03:41:49PM +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: a satnav tells me third exit of the roundabout It's unrelated, but Navit (the supposedly best available navigator that uses OSM maps) fails utterly at counting the exits of a

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-28 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Martes 28 Septiembre 2010 18:56:10 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer escribió: 2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: sounds good, no objections. OK, as this is IMHO no real change, I put it in the wiki. Now I realized something else: according to the German ML for tagging certain objects 3

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org: How to tag those? operator is the bank or the network? I'd say operator is the bank. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-28 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-09-28 11:43, Sean Horgan wrote: Hotels are similar to petrol stations in that many are independently owned and operated but rely heavily on the brand for marketing.  Coffee shops,  fastfood restaurants and any other franchise-business fall into the same bucket  (starbucks, mcdonalds,

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-28 Thread Stephen Hope
What we generally have around here is a shop that both sells and rents formal wear - sometimes one sex, often both. They do weddings, school formals, black tie dinners etc. I'd call this a formal wear shop. One that sells nothing but wedding dresses is a subset of this (and very rare around here,

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-28 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
Let's racionalize this all. Bussiness that sell bride dresses only [Comments here] Bussiness that sell ceremonial dresses (bride and bridmaiden, groom, black tie, New Year, cocktail dresses... men and women, even childs) [Comments here] Bussiness that sell decorative wedding stuff

[Tagging] Weddings... who wants your money? [Was: Re: shop=wedding_office]]

2010-09-28 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Miércoles 29 Septiembre 2010 03:05:50 Noel David Torres Taño escribió: Let's racionalize this all. Bussiness that sell bride dresses only They sell, so it's shop. I think shop=bride_dresses Bussiness that sell ceremonial dresses (bride and bridmaiden, groom, black tie, New Year, cocktail

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office

2010-09-28 Thread Simon Biber
Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org wrote: Bussiness that sell bride dresses only shop=clothes clothes=wedding_dresses Bussiness that sell ceremonial dresses (bride and bridmaiden, groom, black tie, New Year, cocktail dresses... men and women, even childs) shop=clothes

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office

2010-09-28 Thread john
It looks like you have come up with good solutions to all of the issues raised. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office From :mailto:simonbi...@yahoo.com.au Date :Tue Sep 28 22:00:09 America/Chicago 2010 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org wrote:

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office

2010-09-28 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Miércoles 29 Septiembre 2010 04:00:09 Simon Biber escribió: Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org wrote: Bussiness that sell bride dresses only shop=clothes clothes=wedding_dresses Bussiness that sell ceremonial dresses (bride and bridmaiden, groom, black tie, New Year,