Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Draft - Depot

2011-01-05 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:27:03 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: An agricultural school may have fields, orchards, cattle yards barns etc in the school grounds. Should this landuse be a school or a farm, or both? I'd be tempted to say just education myself, but I could see

Re: [Tagging] Ultimate list of approved keys

2011-01-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/1 Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info: - Where should I go to find the ultimate list of approved tags? There is this page and category: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approved_features http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Approved_features it is not complete either, but if I

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=anime (was: shop=anime_stuff)

2011-01-05 Thread ergo
Hi All. S.Higashi, big thanks for intersting photos! video=* yes/no/anime/etc Video disks and tapes In this case we should add video=* cinema/cartoon, and video:genre=comedy ... Why not? :) I think we can use any such additional attributes whithout proposals The main problem is rendering

Re: [Tagging] Ultimate list of approved keys

2011-01-05 Thread robert
Your recall is correct. In all my work I act on Collect it|Catagorize it|Complete it (3 fases). Now a days I hear a lot of discussions where it is clear not everybody knows whats in wiki and whats not. The collection is not completely done and the collected pages are not well catagorized.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Draft - Depot

2011-01-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/5 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com: There's two defintions of a landuse tag.  One is any tag of the form landuse=*, the other is any tag describing what land is used for. Not all landuse=* tags fit the second definition (most of the remainder are landcover type tags instead), and not all

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/5 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:  On 4/01/2011 7:20 AM, Paul Norman wrote: They both have elements of flow control, but function in quite different ways and look very different. A weir is used to raise the water level or control flow, with water flowing over the top. A sluice gate

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 5 January 2011 15:16, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: waterway=dam (a wall with water on one side) waterway=weir (a wall with water flowing over the top) waterway=flow_control (an opening through which water sometimes flows).

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=anime (was: shop=anime_stuff)

2011-01-05 Thread S.Higashi
Hi, video=* yes/no/anime/etc Video disks and tapes In this case we should add video=* cinema/cartoon, and video:genre=comedy ... Why not? :) I think we can use any such additional attributes whithout proposals I agree with this proposal. The main problem is rendering anime shops on the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread Osmisto
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 04:23 +1000, John Smith wrote: These shops can supply stuff for toddlers and children, not just infants. Also I think the word 'care' is misleading, to me, that would indicate some kind of place you could take your baby for medical assistance. Where you was during 6

[Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Looking on tags for cycleways I find 3 different types: highway=cycleway: obvious these are free ways like here (http://maps.google.nl/maps?hl=nlie=UTF8ll=51.810446,5.173895spn=0.00589,0.021136z=16layer=ccbll=51.810477,5.173954panoid=AELkS3h8zmUs821tPi1K-wcbp=12,36.33,,0,6.46) cycleway=lane:

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread john
I would take cycleway=track to mean that the cycleway probably has a gravel, cinder, or bare dirt surface, with minimal, if any, road cuts. In effect, it is a footpath intended primarily for bicycle use. ---Original Email--- Subject :[Tagging] Differences in cycleways From

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread Peter
cycleway=track is used when there is a cycle path paralell to a road. But it is esentially the same as tagging the cycleway as a seperate way with highway=cycleway. See also: A track is a cycle path that is separated from cars (commonly referred to as a bike path, greenway, or Class 1 facility in

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/5 Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info: Looking on tags for cycleways I find 3 different types: highway=cycleway: obvious these are free ways like here cycleway=track Personally I consider cycleway=track a preliminary state before a proper highway=cycleway is drawn. It is intended for

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: Looking on tags for cycleways I find 3 different types: highway=cycleway: obvious these are free ways like here

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread Brad Neuhauser
For me, baby care sounds a lot like childcare/daycare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childcare Some possible alternatives: baby goods, baby supplies, baby products On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Osmisto osmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 04:23 +1000, John Smith wrote: These

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread Osmisto
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 14:22 -0600, Brad Neuhauser wrote: For me, baby care sounds a lot like childcare/daycare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childcare Some possible alternatives: baby goods, baby supplies, baby products Ok. I'll rename. I'am voting for baby_goods :) But does baby_goods or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread john
I agree that something such as baby products or baby supplies would be better than baby care, since child care or infant care are routinely used to refer to businesses that take care of babies and young children while the parents are at work or otherwise occupied. ---Original Email---

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread john
I don't think anyone is likely to think this is a shop or factory using babies as child labor; even if it were legal, babies would not be particularly productive as workers. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop From

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread john
Well, as you said, the shop is selling products for babies, not the babies themselves. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop From :mailto:osmi...@gmail.com Date :Wed Jan 05 15:36:16 America/Chicago 2011 On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 21:19

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread Osmisto
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 14:22 -0600, Brad Neuhauser wrote: For me, baby care sounds a lot like childcare/daycare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childcare Some possible alternatives: baby goods, baby supplies, baby products I added in Voting section new option. So you can approve or oppose the

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread Robert Elsenaar
In my study of the evolution of mapping cycleways in OSM I found out there was a moment cyclistshad a problem to render lanes and tracks and had the strong wish to create usefull cyclemaps. They did decide to avoid the render problem en start mapping for the renderer. apperently they made the

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: In my study of the evolution of mapping cycleways in OSM I found out there was a moment cyclistshad a problem to render lanes and tracks and had the strong wish to create usefull cyclemaps. They did decide to avoid the

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread Richard Mann
I map both: 1) I add cycleway:left=track to the road 2) I add adjacent=yes to the highway=cycleway, so you know you can refer to tags on the road if you prefer Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On 5/01/2011 7:27 PM, John Smith wrote: On 5 January 2011 15:16, Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com wrote: waterway=dam (a wall with water on one side) waterway=weir (a wall with water flowing over the top) waterway=flow_control (an opening through which water sometimes flows).

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/5 Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info: In my study of the evolution of mapping cycleways .. The advantages you mentioned by using seperated cycleway is just because a leak in tagging possibilities. no. this is not about rendering. It is about the preferences in mapping: more or

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On 6/01/2011 5:38 AM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I would take cycleway=track to mean that the cycleway probably has a gravel, cinder, or bare dirt surface, with minimal, if any, road cuts. In effect, it is a footpath intended primarily for bicycle use. Sorry, that's simply incorrect.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/5/11 4:36 PM, Osmisto wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 21:19 +, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I don't think anyone is likely to think this is a shop or factory using babies as child labor; even if it were legal, babies would not be particularly productive as workers. Then why not shop=baby

[Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 08:47, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I'm working on the basis that it's not possible to move any established tag. Would be happy to hear suggestions for how to accomplish that, though. This seems to be an area that OSM *really* lacks, and some people give usage of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 10:16, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: too easily confused with shops selling products made from babies. Apart from research facilities using baby stem cells, what products are made from babies? :) ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 January 2011 10:16, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: too easily confused with shops selling products made from babies. Apart from research facilities using baby stem cells, what products are made

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread john
Baby back ribs? (not really) ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop From :mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date :Wed Jan 05 21:02:35 America/Chicago 2011 On 6 January 2011 10:16, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: too easily

[Tagging] Aqueducts?

2011-01-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
How does one tag aqueducts that are not bridges? Examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quabbin_Aqueduct http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicopee_Valley_Aqueduct http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aqueduct redirects to Key:bridge. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Aqueducts?

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 13:52, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: How does one tag aqueducts that are not bridges? Examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quabbin_Aqueduct http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicopee_Valley_Aqueduct Based on those I'd use tunnel=yes

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On 6/01/2011 2:00 PM, John Smith wrote: This seems to be an area that OSM *really* lacks, and some people give usage of tags as a reason not to improve things which doesn't seem like a valid argument especially when some tags like abutters and created_by have been depreciated. I'm spit balling

Re: [Tagging] Aqueducts?

2011-01-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On 6/01/2011 2:52 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: How does one tag aqueducts that are not bridges? Examples: waterway=canal, boat=no Or perhaps waterway=drain, if you're not fussed about the distinction between stormwater and drinking water. Steve

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-05 Thread Mike N.
2) Post to the talk list asking for feedback/discussion 3) About 2 weeks after the last discussion/modifications to the proposal you post a vote request to both the tagging and the talk lists It would be nice to have a list that map data consumers could subscribe to that we could poll to

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 14:07, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: My guess is that this mailing list and talk@ reach a pretty small proportion of users. Simply announcing we're changing the tag! please tag differently from now on! is not remotely sufficient. As I stated I was spit balling and

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 14:23, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: It would be nice to have a list that map data consumers could subscribe to that we could poll to verify that they are or are not using a tag, or get clarification on how they are using a tag. (Just what we needanother blankin'

Re: [Tagging] Aqueducts?

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 14:10, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Or perhaps waterway=drain, if you're not fussed about the distinction between stormwater and drinking water. Or subtag waterway=conduit conduit=storm_water|potable_water|waste_water|

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On 6/01/2011 3:26 PM, John Smith wrote: Exactly, this is why I'm advocating some kind of policy on how to achieve tag updates in a much more reasonable time frame. In your thinking there seems to be the assumption that we run some process *per tag*. I think it works better to run a process

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 16:46, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: In your thinking there seems to be the assumption that we run some process *per tag*. I think it works better to run a process *per schema revision*. Oh, a regular update schedule, that might be a good idea, however ... Let's