Re: [Tagging] Aqueducts?

2011-01-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:18:12 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: How is one supposed to tag an irrigation channel? as I live in an irrigation area, with thousands of channels and drains, I put it in the 'too hard' basket and have mapped the main canals only

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:50 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: What about shop=service Errg, no. All shops provide a kind of service... Don't forget the key office if it is not really a shop: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office Pieren

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 January 2011 19:25, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:50 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: What about shop=service Errg, no. All shops provide a kind of service... Don't forget the key office if it is not really a shop:

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 07.01.2011 03:26, schrieb Alan Mintz: I can't find a tag for the base of operations of a towing service - i.e. you call them to tow your broken car or truck to a repair shop. The basic definition would be a service that tows cars and other light vehicles. Truck and other heavy vehicle towing

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 January 2011 20:26, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 January 2011 20:19, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: For me, a shop would be to get in, buy something (or at least get some service done) and go out. That's not the case here. A towing service will get to

[Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Rodolphe Quiedeville
Hi, I began a process to define a new key for carpooling that you can found at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Carpool After some discussion my vision was modified and now I think that something like carpool=designated could be better, but before modify the proposal I need

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
The meaning and use of designated is confused and highly contested in OSM, so I'd avoid using it for any other purpose. I'd have said carpool ought to be a distinct value, not a key, if you've got exclusive parking. Something like: amenity=parking+access=carpool Richard On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Rodolphe Quiedeville
Le 07/01/2011 15:01, Richard Mann a écrit : The meaning and use of designated is confused and highly contested in OSM, so I'd avoid using it for any other purpose. Thanks for that point. I'd have said carpool ought to be a distinct value, not a key, if you've got exclusive parking. Something

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread john
I suspect that I am not the only one who has been confused by the totally-unrelated meanings of highway=track (a minor, rural road) and cycleway=track (a cycleway along side an automobile road). I don't know which one came first, but it is unfortunate that the naming scheme wasn't more

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-07 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 06.01.2011 23:47, schrieb Simone Saviolo: Think of the Windows Vista Ready (pfft!) certification: it didn't mean that that software/device was of better quality than another one without the certification, but if you were planning to use it with Vista then it had better characteristics than

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Rodolphe Quiedeville rodol...@quiedeville.org wrote: The problem is the acess is NOT exclusive, and I want to choose the clearest key/value. It's easy to indicate what is exclusive but not so easy to explain what is 'designated too' without restriction. What

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread john
So, people are encouraged to use the parking lot for carpool meetups, but access is not limited to only those carpooling, which would be the meaning of access=carpool. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word From :mailto:rodol...@quiedeville.org

Re: [Tagging] What is rtc_rate?

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Peter pe...@haas-en-berg.nl wrote: Ride the City http://www.ridethecity.com/ Maybe there is some explanation there. You're right - I should have looked in the history.

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
Ah - now I understand it a bit better - you mean a pick-up location. More a kind of bus stop for carpoolers. On that model I'd probably go for highway=carpool on a node. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: Ah - now I understand it a bit better - you mean a pick-up location. More a kind of bus stop for carpoolers. On that model I'd probably go for highway=carpool on a node. Not really, since at least half the

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Not really, since at least half the people arriving leave their cars there (assuming everyone drives there). So it's a parking lot that's designated for carpool use, but also available for general parking. I wonder if

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Rodolphe Quiedeville
Le 07/01/2011 16:05, Nathan Edgars II a écrit : On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: Ah - now I understand it a bit better - you mean a pick-up location. More a kind of bus stop for carpoolers. On that model I'd probably go for highway=carpool

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - deaddrop

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/6 Peter pe...@haas-en-berg.nl: But browser vulnerabilities? Those usually get patched within the day, right? within the day they get public. ;-) There is a market for selling unknown security relevant bugs. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - deaddrop

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/6 RatZilla$ ratzil...@gmail.com: Hi all, I've set up a proposal for deaddrop. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/deaddrop This was discussed in the German Mailinglist http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg77328.html with no ultimate conclusion, so

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/7 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 7 January 2011 20:19, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: For me, a shop would be to get in, buy something (or at least get some service done) and go out. That's not the case here. A towing service will get to your place to do

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 January 2011 02:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I guess this misunderstanding derives from German ;-) In German there is a word Laden (m.) which is usually translated as shop, but the actual meaning is not as broad as shop in English. Actually it only describes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - deaddrop

2011-01-07 Thread RatZilla$
Hi all, -- Pros / Cons -- There are many pros and cons for dead drops (DD to be short). My proposal is not about : does DD good or not ? but just about locate object of a growing urban data sharing project. There is a comment field on the website of the project, feel free to send your suggestion

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread john
I agree that shop=workshop, workshop=whatever is a good solution to this issue. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Towing service? From :mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date :Fri Jan 07 11:29:53 America/Chicago 2011 On 8 January 2011 02:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/6 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: ...for example, in the last few weeks on talk-it we exhumed once again the problem that an amenity=bar is not really a bar as we conceive it in Italy. Sadly though, despite the interesting debate, and notwithstanding the fact that both parties

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/7 j...@jfeldredge.com: I agree that shop=workshop, workshop=whatever is a good solution to this issue. +1, it could be combined with craft to map the kind of workshop. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] Underground Waterways

2011-01-07 Thread David Fawcett
I am curious how others would tag this way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/48268491 This is a water feature that was imported as part of the NHD.  On this particular stretch, the water is routed underground through a tunnel to the lake. I tried to add tunnel=culvert, but I think that

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-07 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 01/06/2011 10:03 PM, Simone Saviolo wrote: I suggested that some users with proven credentials be put in charge of their own matter: for example, that one or more doctors in Civil Engineering took care of the Civil Engineering course. I was told that that's not how a wiki works and that a

Re: [Tagging] Underground Waterways

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:25 PM, David Fawcett david.fawc...@gmail.com wrote: I am curious how others would tag this way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/48268491 This is a water feature that was imported as part of the NHD. On this particular stretch, the water is routed underground

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-07 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 01/06/2011 11:47 PM, Simone Saviolo wrote: It's not an advantage on the application side in itself; it's more of an advantage for the user. Say I'm a cyclist and I want a map: I'll prefer one with CycleMap 4.3 over one with CycleMap 1.2 over one with no CycleMap. If you plan to have half

Re: [Tagging] Underground Waterways

2011-01-07 Thread David Fawcett
Would tunnel=yes be an inappropriate tag? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:25 PM, David Fawcett david.fawc...@gmail.com wrote: I am curious how others would tag this way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/48268491 This

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Ladies and gentlemen, All great thoughts. Peter i take your critisism on the right way. Still you didn't answer my call for help. Let go back to the base of my question: cycleway=track = Who can give me examples on Google street view of what we have to concider to be

Re: [Tagging] Underground Waterways

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:03 PM, David Fawcett david.fawc...@gmail.com wrote: Would tunnel=yes be an inappropriate tag? I wouldn't think so. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, All great thoughts. Peter i take your critisism on the right way. Still you didn't answer my call for help. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Your first

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Are there other new examples out there? Mine was the first. Please give me more examples of cycleway=track, especially in other countries then the Netherlands. -Robert- -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nathan Edgars II Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:09 PM To: Tag discussion,

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=enie=UTF8hq=hnear=Oxford,+United+Kingdomll=51.763179,-1.235468spn=0,0.009602z=17layer=ccbll=51.763263,-1.235435panoid=2D4TwRiiHwpu0OraA8vbPAcbp=12,7.14,,0,5 Some people (not me particularly) might complain that your example has cycle tracks that are shared with

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread Surly_ru
I agree that shop=workshop, workshop=whatever is a good solution to this issue. +1, it could be combined with craft to map the kind of workshop. I think, craft=* (may be with man_made=works) is sufficient. So shop=workshop is redundant, and we need no such tag combination.

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 January 2011 08:33, Surly_ru p...@isnet.ru wrote: I agree that shop=workshop, workshop=whatever is a good solution to this issue. +1, it could be combined with craft to map the kind of workshop. I think, craft=* (may be with man_made=works) is sufficient. So shop=workshop is

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/7 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: A tow truck driver doesn't need much more than a special license, I don't think this is a craft at all. he probably doesn't need a workshop either. I guess he will have an office and a garage for his car, that cars he tows will typically be put to

Re: [Tagging] Underground Waterways

2011-01-07 Thread Willi
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:03 PM, David Fawcett david.fawc...@gmail.com wrote: Would tunnel=yes be an inappropriate tag? Yes, according to the Wiki: The tunnel tag is used to map ways that runs through an underground passage. You just need to add tunnel=yes where you like to have a tunnel on