[Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I want to raise attention to this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Building_attributes which most of you certainly are aware of. This page is pretending to be a proposal page, but actually has become mostly a documentation page for several application programmers to

Re: [Tagging] Site of Community Importance

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/2/8 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: Volker Schmidt wrote: How do I tag a Site of Community Importance (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_of_Community_Importance)? A few people have gone for:

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 08/02/2012 13:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 6. building:levelPlan=* What each storey is used for, Examples: 0-2: shop, 3-12: residential; 0: restaurant, 1: residential; -1: unused, 0: lobby, 1: restuarant, 2-12: offices, 13: unused, 14-66: offices - missleading key (one would expect a link

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald
Am 08.02.2012 um 15:38 schrieb Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: On 08/02/2012 13:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 6. building:levelPlan=*What each storey is used for, Examples: 0-2: shop, 3-12: residential; 0: restaurant, 1: residential; -1: unused, 0: lobby, 1: restuarant, 2-12:

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald
What you describe is proposed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lanes_General_Extension Martin Am 08.02.2012 um 15:38 schrieb Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: On 08/02/2012 13:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 6. building:levelPlan=*What each storey is used for,

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald
I suggest putting the lanes qualifier in front, allowing arbitrary tag hierarchies to follow at a fixed location. This was suggested, but dropped for better readability: see Default values; minimise ambiguity on the Discussion page. You introduce a new tag applies_to to limit the lane to a

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 08/feb/2012 um 17:03 schrieb John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 5. building:min_level=* Number of stories between ground and actual first existing floor - I'd completely discourage usage of this key,

Re: [Tagging] Site of Community Importance

2012-02-08 Thread Jason Cunningham
A 'site of special scientific interest' is different to a 'site of community importance', at least in the UK. A 'site of community importance' appears to be a way for the EU to notify a member countries that a piece of land should be designated a SAC. There doesn't appear to be an agreed way to

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
4. building:levels=*Number of stories of the building above ground. - why only above ground? I find this missleading as well. The logical meaning of a tag building:levels would be the total amount of building levels. If it is for the levels above ground, why not building:levels:above_ground

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/2/8 Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi: IMO this is a make mapping easy choise (vs. code requires sticking to definitions, even if it is against day to day speak): you can get a random mapper to count the windows and have them enter that. If one asks people if a building is a, say,

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/2/8 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: On 08/02/2012 16:00, Martin Vonwald wrote: question of syntax rather than concept. What triggered my post was actually a comment by Martin K who also felt a need for multi-value tags (i.e. arrays) in the context of the floors within a building. I

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/2/8 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: That is a very bad idea. Splitting the way would mean, that there is no possiblity to switch between the lanes (as they are separated), which in reality often is not correct. This would also break routing. you could have a relation to say that

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/8/2012 2:25 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The lane-case is a little different though, because if you have multiple values there (plus a definition from where to start) you won't need lane numbering. For buildings you will have unambigous numbers for the floors anyway, and they are the

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 08.02.2012 um 18:48 schrieb Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: On 08/02/2012 17:52, Martin Vonwald wrote: I suggest putting the lanes qualifier in front, allowing arbitrary tag hierarchies to follow at a fixed location. This was suggested, but dropped for better readability: see Default

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Bryce2 Nesbitt
Colons in keys are likely to make many casual mappers uneasy about editing said tag, let alone two of them in one key. Casual mappers seem an unlikely target for this particular type of highly technical mapping. That said: The 3D mapping by tags is interesting. But another

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 08.02.2012 um 20:38 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: you could have a relation to say that there is a linear possibility to switch between the lanes (proposed area relation). This would make some things much easier (we could use standard tags on the ways and it would be

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 08/02/2012 20:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/2/8 Colin Smalecolin.sm...@xs4all.nl: On 08/02/2012 16:00, Martin Vonwald wrote: question of syntax rather than concept. What triggered my post was actually a comment by Martin K who also felt a need for multi-value tags (i.e. arrays) in the

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 08/02/2012 21:03, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/8/2012 2:25 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The lane-case is a little different though, because if you have multiple values there (plus a definition from where to start) you won't need lane numbering. For buildings you will have unambigous

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/8/2012 3:14 PM, Bryce2 Nesbitt wrote: Colons in keys are likely to make many casual mappers uneasy about editing said tag, let alone two of them in one key. Casual mappers seem an unlikely target for this particular type of highly technical mapping. Adding the number of

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/8/2012 3:47 PM, Colin Smale wrote: For building floors, are there any cultures which number their floors downwards? The Troglodytes. There is of course the common leaving off of the 13th floor. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 08/02/2012 22:00, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/8/2012 3:47 PM, Colin Smale wrote: For building floors, are there any cultures which number their floors downwards? The Troglodytes. :-D There is of course the common leaving off of the 13th floor. Mentioned that a couple of posts ago: