Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-13 Thread Colin Smale
Yes please! I was also thinking on the lines of documenting implicit tagging: *to save mappers time *to save space in the database *to avoid confusion *to allow a single point of maintenance At a generic territory level with some kind of hierarchy please, so for example cities

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 13/04/2012 08:20, Peter Wendorff wrote: -10 for adding defaults as a hint for mappers!!! You sure know how to lower the barriers to entry and attract new mappers... Every application using OSM data has to make assumptions about data not present in the database, sure, but reliable data has

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-13 Thread Jais Pedersen
I think Frederik describes the problem very well here: http://osm.gryph.de/2012/02/freedom-to-tag and I really like the Tag Central idea, but as usual it requires that somebody with the right skills and available time falls in love with the idea. It is probably too late now, but it might have been

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 13.04.2012 08:20, schrieb Peter Wendorff: If we would define a set of defaults and mappers follow that set, nobody will add default values again, and it's not possible to distinguish between default and unknown any more. You have identified a real problem: The distinction between default

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 13/04/2012 08:20, Peter Wendorff wrote: -10 for adding defaults as a hint for mappers!!! What would you do with this page? Enhance/complete it, or delete it? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions Just noticed that links to a proposal for defaults -

[Tagging] Defaults (Re: sidewalks and tagging for the renderer)

2012-04-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I think we're talking about two different things here. (a) An editor (program) automatically applying tags to an object. This is bad, because we don't know whether the mapper has specifically verified this, or whether it's just being assumed and may be false. (b) Tags on an area that specify

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-13 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Just noticed that links to a proposal for defaults - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Defaults An example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/934933 Data consumers should check if the

Re: [Tagging] Defaults (Re: sidewalks and tagging for the renderer)

2012-04-13 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 13/04/2012 09:49, Nathan Edgars II a écrit : I think we're talking about two different things here. (a) An editor (program) automatically applying tags to an object. This is bad, because we don't know whether the mapper has specifically verified this, or whether it's just being assumed and

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-13 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 13.04.2012 08:55, schrieb Colin Smale: On 13/04/2012 08:20, Peter Wendorff wrote: -10 for adding defaults as a hint for mappers!!! You sure know how to lower the barriers to entry and attract new mappers... Not exactly, but a big catalogue of explicit defaults IMHO does not make anything

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-13 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 13.04.2012 09:31, schrieb Colin Smale: On 13/04/2012 08:20, Peter Wendorff wrote: -10 for adding defaults as a hint for mappers!!! What would you do with this page? Enhance/complete it, or delete it? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions Just

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett paving_stones

2012-04-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
Steve Bennett wrote: So, whoever really wants to introduce this distinction is going to have to find another way, perhaps surface=cobblestone, cobblestone=sett. Thank you for dealing with the issue. Subtagging seems like a good suggestion for making this distinction. We would also need a

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett paving_stones

2012-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 12. April 2012 00:31 schrieb Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Clearly the change that was made was disruptive and changes the meaning of the 80,000 or so surface=cobblestone tags already in existence. I have thus changed the definition back and commented out surface=sett for the moment.

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett paving_stones

2012-04-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: not so sure about this. Currently there is really a lot of values in surface but (as far as I know) none of them gets subtagged. Instead of subtagging we could also keep cobblestone for sett and invent another