Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Martin Vonwald
The narrow road example was clearly the wrong image. I changed that to lanes=1 and added a photo from Philip Barnes as example for a narrow two-lane road. Further I removed the assumptions for two-way motorways/trunks, as it is recommend to map their carriageways as two separate way. Anyone else

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Martin Vonwald Anyone else has a problem with the suggested solution to the lanes=1.5 problem? I think we should simply recommend to not use fractions since they can be misinterpreted by any one (not only applications). I still don't know if 1.5 means an

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Pieren wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Martin Vonwald Anyone else has a problem with the suggested solution to the lanes=1.5 problem? I think we should simply recommend to not use fractions since they can be misinterpreted by any one (not only

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Pieren wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Martin Vonwald Anyone else has a problem with the suggested solution to the lanes=1.5 problem? I think we should simply recommend to not use fractions since they can

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-27 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: If a feature can be either a closed way or an area, the default interpretation should always be the closed way. Otherwise, you'd have to know arbitrary defaults for each type of object. You have to know anyway if your

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Ilpo Järvinen if there's anything else than some fancy wordsmithing looking into the very same road from different angles? :-) Well, sometimes you have 1 lane, sometimes 2, or something in between. Sometimes it is related to the width, sometimes only about the

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Andrew Errington
I'm quite happy with lanes=n where n is an integer. I am very happy to assume that a one-way road without lanes=* has only one lane. I am also happy to assume that a not-one-way road without lanes=* has two lanes (one in each direction). I am extremely happy to see a width=* tag that I can

Re: [Tagging] contact:phone or phone to combine with amenity=telephone

2012-04-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 26.04.2012 18:07, schrieb Mike N: On 4/26/2012 8:51 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Can we use the taginfo stats to revert the change made the 2nd may 2010 where phone has been replaced by contact:phone and add a big deprecate notice on the contact: namespace wiki ? (overall, we still

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
Through observations I can see that there is a minimum width for lane marking in the UK. I am not sure what the value is, but have seen sections of road where lines end where the road narrows. Will try to find an example. I am not sure I would want to add a lanes tag where the width falls below

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 27. April 2012 12:01 schrieb Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: I am not sure I would want to add a lanes tag where the width falls below this minimum, and would tend to prefer the width tag. +1 Whilst following cars, it has occurred to me that knowing their width would be a reasonable

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
IMHO it would be a good idea to remove fractional lanes amounts and forget about them. They are too subjective. What do you think of lanes=3.5? I have an example here:

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 27.04.2012 09:23, schrieb Ilpo Järvinen: On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What do you think of lanes=3.5? I have an example here: Not sure, how many lanes these are, could be 5 or even 5.5? Depends on the car widths and the experience of the drivers: Heheh... :-) ...there's

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 27. April 2012 12:18 schrieb Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi: IMHO it would be a good idea to remove fractional lanes amounts and forget about them. They are too subjective. What do you think of lanes=3.5? I have an example here:

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 27.04.2012 09:23, schrieb Ilpo Järvinen: On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What do you think of lanes=3.5? I have an example here: Not sure, how many lanes these are, could be 5 or even 5.5? Depends on the car widths and

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Colin Smale
Wouldn't this discussion benefit from a summary of the use cases we are trying to address? I see multiple semantics being suggested for the lanes tag, and at the end of the day we will have to choose one. * Renderers such as mapnik might want to reflect the number of lanes in the width of the

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Andrew Errington
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:54:26 Ilpo Järvinen wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Andrew Errington wrote: A lane count of 1.5 is very confusing. What does it mean? What is the width of each lane? Is it really 1.5? Should it be 1.55, or 1.4, or 1.6? ...No, it's not multiple of some magical

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Martin Vonwald wrote: Maybe we could put an end to this discussion by enumerating the pro and cons for both approaches? What exactly is the problem with lanes=integer+width, that is solved with lanes=1.5 ? Please pick the integer first so we can discuss more. ...Although

[Tagging] lanes=* on cycleways

2012-04-27 Thread Paul Johnson
How do we handle lane counts where there's more than one bicycle lane? How do we count lanes on cycleways? Since these lanes are narrower than what cars can fit down, things like Gresham segments of the Springwater Corridor (4 lanes) and situations like 12th Avenue (which has a couple spots with

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-27 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Anthony wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Where did I mention a renderer? If you draw a closed polygon with railway=platform, that's a continuous platform with a hole in

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:01 +, Philip Barnes wrote: Through observations I can see that there is a minimum width for lane marking in the UK. I am not sure what the value is, but have seen sections of road where lines end where the road narrows. Will try to find an example. Sorry its

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-27 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: If a feature can be either a closed way or an area, the default interpretation should always be the closed way. Otherwise, you'd have to know arbitrary

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 27. April 2012 20:14 schrieb Anthony o...@inbox.org: A default set to the value which is correct 99.9% of the time is not arbitrary. how would you distinguish between default values and incomplete data/missing information? We could have a tag

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-27 Thread Sander Deryckere
Op 27 apr. 2012 20:41 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com het volgende: Am 27. April 2012 20:14 schrieb Anthony o...@inbox.org: A default set to the value which is correct 99.9% of the time is not arbitrary. how would you distinguish between default

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-27 Thread Tobias Knerr
Anthony wrote: area=no can be considered a sic!, but that tag should never have any actual effect. Effect on what? On renderers or any other applications working with OSM data. If I were writing a renderer, I would assume that a closed way railway=platform represented an area unless it

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-27 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 27. April 2012 20:14 schrieb Anthony o...@inbox.org: A default set to the value which is correct 99.9% of the time is not arbitrary. how would you distinguish between default values and

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-27 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Anthony wrote:  If I were writing a renderer, I would assume that a closed way railway=platform represented an area unless it was tagged area=no.  So that's an effect. If I were writing a renderer (actually, I am), I

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
While this is ongoing, Pieren continues to remove area=yes from railway=platform, which has been on the page since it was created in 2008: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:railway%3Dplatformaction=history ___ Tagging mailing list