2015-03-09 11:50 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com:
To me shop means a place where I can buy things. If I'm looking for a
service, I would go to an office. The description of the key service
also starts with A place predominantly selling services.. Sounds good to
me. How about
2015-03-09 12:28 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
2015-03-09 11:50 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com:
The description of the key service also ...
I meant the key office and not service, sorry for that.
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2015-03-09 6:55 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com:
current draft definition:
A new landuse http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse=* value
for civil government buildings complexes where citizens or services for
citizens are managed. This includes legislative and executive centers, as
2015-03-09 11:57 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
this looks very complicated to render, because you have to synchronize to
flights of steps so that they become one, I guess this will be much easier
if you mapped 2 steps instead of this very complex object (doesn't look
Am 09.03.2015 um 15:27 schrieb Michael Reichert:
Hi ael,
Am 2015-03-09 um 15:22 schrieb ael:
I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major features of relevance
An example using a local uk map is http://binged.it/1x8GAHx
Phil (trigpoint )
On Mon Mar 9 15:16:54 2015 GMT, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
On 9 March 2015 at 15:06, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
I have just been asked to give a talk about OSM to a local group
including Councillors who
On 09/03/2015 15:16, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
On 9 March 2015 at 15:06, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
So is there a bug tracker that I have missed for the stylesheet?
Yes, it was pointed out to you already:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/542
On 9 March 2015 at 15:15, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote:
Using the default OSM-Carto layer for a project isn't very professional. The
job of the default layer isn't to make a map for everyone to use in their
projects, its main job is to help mappers see what they have mapped, and to
Hi ael,
Am 2015-03-09 um 15:22 schrieb ael:
I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major features of relevance
to tall vehicles and boats, so really should show
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 03:27:17PM +0100, Michael Reichert wrote:
Hi ael,
Am 2015-03-09 um 15:22 schrieb ael:
I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 03:35:19PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
+1, please tag what is on the ground,
and railway=abandoned is not rendered on carto by decision, read here:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/542
Thanks for the link. Interesting reading. Obviously I support
On 09/03/2015 14:22, ael wrote:
I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major features of relevance
to tall vehicles and boats, so really should show up on standard
On 9 March 2015 at 15:06, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
I have just been asked to give a talk about OSM to a local group
including Councillors who are impressed with OSM and considering
using it for Council purposes. There are many historical abandoned
railways in the area (related to
On 9 March 2015 at 15:26, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote:
To be fair, someone did submit a pull request to resolve exactly this issue
and it was summarily closed:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/641
That was not a pull request, but a bug report, and it
I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major features of relevance
to tall vehicles and boats, so really should show up on standard
rendering.
According to the wiki
W dniu 09.03.2015 15:32, fly napisał(a):
Still miss support for man_made=bridge which leads to mapping for the
renderer as user add highway=* + area=yes to the area to get it
rendered.
The ticket is not closed, but I don't know the final decision or what
may be obstacles, however there was
On 09/03/2015, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote:
+1, please tag what is on the ground,
and railway=abandoned is not rendered on carto by decision, read here:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/542
As for the discussion on rendering standalone bridges :
2015-03-09 16:06 GMT+01:00 ael law_ence@ntlworld.com:
I have just been asked to give a talk about OSM to a local group
including Councillors who are impressed with OSM and considering
using it for Council purposes. There are many historical abandoned
railways in the area (related to
Hi,
Am 2015-03-09 um 16:06 schrieb ael:
Well, I have only changed the tag on the bridges themselves, and only on
ways for which I did the original (and usually any subsequent) survey
and edits. So I am not corrupting other people's data.
Wrong! You have corrupted data because you have changed
On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 15:29 +, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
An example using a local uk map is http://binged.it/1x8GAHx
Try again http://binged.it/1x8Hhki
Phil (trigpoint )
On Mon Mar 9 15:16:54 2015 GMT, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
On 9 March 2015 at 15:06, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com
Michael Reichert wrote on 2015-03-09 15:27:
Am 2015-03-09 um 15:22 schrieb ael:
I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major features of relevance
to tall vehicles
On Mon Mar 9 15:49:01 2015 GMT, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
On 9 March 2015 at 15:26, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote:
To be fair, someone did submit a pull request to resolve exactly this issue
and it was summarily closed:
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 04:14:58PM +0100, Michael Reichert wrote:
Hi,
Am 2015-03-09 um 16:06 schrieb ael:
Well, I have only changed the tag on the bridges themselves, and only on
ways for which I did the original (and usually any subsequent) survey
and edits. So I am not corrupting other
2015-03-09 16:18 GMT+00:00 ael law_ence@ntlworld.com:
The edits you did can be described as (semi-)vandalism.
That sort of comment is unworthy of OSM. I did the surveys. Very
carefully. I tagged corectly as far as I knew at the time.
[...]
Your sort of comment to someone who has
case made there very clearly for (just) rendering the bridges
That is handled in a separate issue:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1320
Before commenting in this issue please carefully read existing comments,
especially the first two.
I don't like tagging for the
You should show them RichardF's cycle.travel site as a different way of
rendering OSM, and it shows old railways.
Phil (trigpoint )
On Mon Mar 9 16:18:39 2015 GMT, ael wrote:
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 04:14:58PM +0100, Michael Reichert wrote:
Hi,
Am 2015-03-09 um 16:06 schrieb ael:
That's true about referring to a website rather than OSM - but couldn't OSM,
particularly in larger venues, at least show the rental spaces when searched?
If properly tagged, then all the different event venues in your area would come
up, which would be much better than trying to go site by
How does it help mappers see what they have mapped to not show a large
structure which has been mapped and which is physically present?
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot
drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr.
On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 16:18 +, ael wrote:
The edits you did can be described as (semi-)vandalism.
That sort of comment is unworthy of OSM.
Indeed.
Your sort of comment to someone who has contributed years of solid work
to OSM is enough to make me consider ceasing to contribute.
If the bridges are still present, the map should render them even if the
rails and railbeds on either side of the bridge have been removed. After
all, we are supposed to map the ground truth, and if the bridge is still
present, that is the ground truth.
--
John F. Eldredge --
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:37 PM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote:
railway=abandoned has been used from almost year 0 in OSM to indicate
where the rails have been removed but the route is still visible in some
way. See http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dabandoned .
And yes, if
The Wiki is very clear (in several languages) as what a survey point is,
but is there some other meaning that mappers understand this term to
mean? The reason I ask is that I often come across man_made=survey_point
tags that have been added to other objects. Not infrequently this tag
replaces
On 3/9/15 4:58 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
The broader point is intact.
When making sense of abandoned bridges and oddly rounded buildings in
various places, it is super helpful
to see the context of the prior railroad grade. It helps in mapping
from the air and on the ground.
A given
I'd like us to improve out tagging of bird/ wildlife hides and screens
or blinds):
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dbird_hide
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/bird_hide
(voting opened in 2009!)
On 10/03/2015 8:02 AM, Malcolm Herring wrote:
The Wiki is very clear (in several languages) as what a survey point
is, but is there some other meaning that mappers understand this term
to mean? The reason I ask is that I often come across
man_made=survey_point tags that have been added to
On 10/03/2015 1:22 AM, ael wrote:
I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major features of relevance
to tall vehicles and boats, so really should show up on standard
On 09/03/2015 18:07, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
That is handled in a separate issue:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1320
Before commenting in this issue please carefully read existing comments,
especially the first two.
I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would
On 09/03/2015 20:03, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
The core problem is:
*railway=abandoned*
Refers to railway service, and does not describe what's on the ground.
No.
railway=abandoned has been used from almost year 0 in OSM to indicate
where the rails have been removed but the route is still visible
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:18 AM, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
Your sort of comment to someone who has contributed years of solid work
to OSM is enough to make me consider ceasing to contribute.
Please ignore these types of comments. While we all generally agree that
tagging for the
What *use* can a map *reader* make of event hall data?
Personally I would find the existence of a event rental space interesting,
but always defer to the official website for any sense of
capacity/size/hours.
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The core problem is:
*railway=abandoned*
Refers to railway service, and does not describe what's on the ground.
What's on the ground could range from a bit of residual lead arsenate
herbicide,
up through a highly visible gravel trackbed with bridges and culverts and
bits of railway artifact
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
wrote:
...wworthwhile to consider OpenHistoricalMap as a resource for
recording information about spatial entities that no longer exist in the
modern
world. this relieves us of the argument about representing them in OSM.
On 09/03/2015, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 03:35:19PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
+1, please tag what is on the ground,
and railway=abandoned is not rendered on carto by decision, read here:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/542
Thanks
2015-03-09 23:06 GMT+01:00 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
How does it help mappers see what they have mapped to not show a large
structure which has been mapped and which is physically present?
I didn't say the bridge shouldn't be rendered. I just said it's not default
layers job to
On 09/03/2015, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
Ah thanks, I stand corrected. railway=razed would be the tag to discuss.
The broader point is intact.
While there is a pretty strong consensus that osm describes the
present (leaving openhistoricalmap for the past), it seems that some
2015-03-09 10:45 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
what about shop=fuel_delivery?
To me shop means a place where I can buy things. If I'm looking for a
service, I would go to an office. The description of the key service
also starts with A place predominantly selling
2015-03-06 12:15 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
Martin, could we get an example of what you're proposing at Pioneer
Courthouse Square http://mapq.st/1wZZKPG? Portland's central transit
hub and main square seems like it would be a suitably complex use scenario
that would make all
2015-03-09 0:45 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com:
Here's an example:
http://i.imgur.com/a4C7fyR.png
this looks very complicated to render, because you have to synchronize to
flights of steps so that they become one, I guess this will be much easier
if you mapped 2 steps instead of
Hallo Sam,
It's not clear to me which object you are tagging: the highway (osm-way) or
an area or a node where the frequency is mentioned on a sign or ...
regards
m
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings
This is an RFC for my proposal, which can be
On 10/03/2015 3:21 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
Hallo Sam,
It's not clear to me which object you are tagging: the highway
(osm-way) or an area or a node where the frequency is mentioned on a
sign or ...
The proposal says tagging a way .. so along the road.
regards
m
Here in Australia .. the
Greetings
This is an RFC for my proposal, which can be found at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Haul_Channel
Thanks
Sam
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On 09/03/2015, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
Somehow I come down on the side that railways have enough footprint on the
current world that
they belong in OSM proper, unlike say old buildings or former shops.
A abandoned railway slowly evolves from a mappable way, to a series of
On 09/03/2015, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:
Possible work around?
Use the tag man_made=bridge to tag the bridge area?
Keeps the railway correctly tagged. And places the bridge correctly.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dbridge
Try that and see if it works.
Not
Maybe it would be possible to map the event areas (if known) with area/point
tags like event_space=1 and a name or ref, and then basic info (surface,
capacity, covered,) and then, um, relate them to the main landuse/amenity
object like the garden or event hall ( i dont' know relations). If it
On Mar 9, 2015, at 6:35 AM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote:
On Mar 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
US Scouts might hyperbolize intentionally to Rattan Death March for
extreme distances over rugged terrain.
Off Topic: I was under the impression that it would be called a
On 9/03/2015 5:45 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote:
I'm not sure how steps vanish if you have the same number of them.
Both upper and lower ways slope at the same rate in the same direction ..
So same number at sides .. but in order for the treads to remain level
the steps must vanish on the
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
Am 05.03.2015 um 21:49 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com:
Many if not most event halls are in fact something else ALSO, like a
church or a community centre or a bed and breakfast.
On Mar 8, 2015, at 10:55 PM, johnw wrote:
If I knew nothing about the structure of government, just the buildings on
the ground, I would notice that the “city hall” for many towns and small
cities often (but not always) have combined complexes for both the assembly
and mayor, and often
Dana 9. 3. 2015. 01:48 osoba Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com napisala je:
Sorry ... but
That assume that the vanishing is done on the lowest way.. it may also be
done on the upper way .. or it could be done on both! And it is conceivable
for when done on both to have the same nuber of steps side to
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:
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Request For Comments ...
I see this as part of improving the proposal .. not as showing a complete,
fully functional for all possible things, fault free tag. If only
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote
But the whole thing is a bit problematic.
It's hard to draw a line between places that dedicated for events,
and places that may do a few events per year.
And it's hard to set a proper area for places that may rent the
On Mar 9, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote:
In any case, that is one example were police and court house buildings are in
the same complex as other civic buildings, so it can happen.
For what it is worth, there is no landuse polygon around the Civic Center but
On 9/03/2015 5:08 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com
mailto:bry...@obviously.com wrote
But the whole thing is a bit problematic.
It's hard to draw a line between places that dedicated for events,
and places that may do a few
As the comments period is over and no comments have been received lately I
would like to move the proposal shop=storage
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking%3Dcar_storage
to stage voting.
I have done some final editing to cover the received feedback.
Instructions for
Am 09.03.2015 um 01:13 schrieb André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com:
It's not amenity=fuel (not a gas station).
+1
It's not shop=fuel (people don't come with jerry-cans).
what about shop=fuel_delivery?
There are also shops that deliver gas in bottles, but the ones I know are doing
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