Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-22 Thread David Bannon
On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 11:19 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: If I would have to choose between the options I would go for full_service, but I leave this to the native speakers. If I get the same service and pay the same for a state run campground as for a privately run one it can be called

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

2015-03-22 Thread Dave Swarthout
I'll second the notion that we need something better than the current system. It is an anachronism! My first look at Loomio was good, I was impressed, but my immediate thought was, it'll never get accepted into OSM On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:57 AM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: It's

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-22 Thread Jan van Bekkum
If I would have to choose between the options I would go for full_service, but I leave this to the native speakers. If I get the same service and pay the same for a state run campground as for a privately run one it can be called commercial. Is it a problem if tourism=camp_site wouldn't get the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-22 Thread Jan van Bekkum
What Dave Bannon says is exactly what I have in mind. #6 was intended for parks with larger areas where camping is allowed. I have made a few adaptations to the text to clarify the issue I hadn't thought about it, but we might use the tag camp_site

Re: [Tagging] Feature Propsal - RFC - Generalized Overhead Wire Mapping - utility_wires=overhead/underground

2015-03-22 Thread fly
Am 18.03.2015 um 05:08 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt: In celebration of: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/3D-mapland I offer to the tagging discussion: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Quickly_Marking_Utility_Wires A proposal for quickly marking large areas with utility pole

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-22 Thread David Bannon
Dave S, think you missed the list On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 09:19 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: Okay then, Your idea is to define the campgrounds inside of national and state parks as commercial ones? Well, its more a case of are you paying to camp there ? And are you being provided with

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-22 Thread Dave Swarthout
I was trying to do as Richard suggested, that is, trim the other replies off the message. Screwed that up. It's not the definition I object to, it's the use of the term commercial. Regardless of the quacking like a duck comparison, the national, state, and forest service campgrounds are simply

Re: [Tagging] Proposal : Move smoking tag to active status

2015-03-22 Thread fly
Am 21.03.2015 um 18:43 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 21.03.2015 um 08:54 schrieb Michael Reichert naka...@gmx.net: I agree. Because it is used on 47541 objects at OSM all over the world, it's best to move the page to Key:smoking. +1 +1 but please copy and archive the proposal fly

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-22 Thread fly
Am 19.03.2015 um 17:43 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2015-03-19 17:12 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: brand=none or no_brand=yes to proper mark the independence. some independent petrol stations are organized in associations and use these as their brand, see e.g. here:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-22 Thread David Bannon
On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 08:02 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: ... I hadn't thought about it, but we might use the tag camp_site=permitted_area as attribute of a country border (like Sweden) to show that camping is allowed anywhere. Jan, not sure thats a good idea. Here in Oz, you would not camp

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-22 Thread Jan van Bekkum
For example in Sweden you are not allowed to camp in view of any home etc. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 10:22 AM David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 08:02 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: ... I hadn't thought about it, but we might use the tag

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-22 Thread fly
Am 17.03.2015 um 07:26 schrieb John Willis: On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: AKA military installations in certain countries I would happily map military installation in Russia/North Korea/Iran/USA/whatever - it is not illegal for me. Maybe they can

Re: [Tagging] Historic tower

2015-03-22 Thread fly
Am 21.03.2015 um 07:43 schrieb Marc Gemis: On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: But perhaps it would be more universal to have built_date=1200 AD I always thought start_date was used for that. +1 but how to handle buildings which where finished after

Re: [Tagging] Historic tower

2015-03-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 22.03.2015 um 15:39 schrieb fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: but how to handle buildings which where finished after two/three centuries ? start_date according to the wiki is the completion date, or the date when the feature became active. FWIW, buildings very often get extended,

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-22 Thread Paul Johnson
Argh, let's not invent yet another amenity type for this. Why not tag for the dispenser type? Then you'd still be able to find fuel as an amenity (which is better than nothing if you don't get your preferred dispenser type in most cases) but you could, say, filter for only fuel amenities that

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: I've come across regular filling stations without a roof. Somewhere in Scotland.. on a Sunday .. no one there but a credit card reader so I could get fuel. Others in Australia .. White Cliffs, Warburton, Docker River,

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-22 Thread johnw
On Mar 23, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody's proposing another amenity tag. My thrust here is to gather opinions about adding another shop key, this one a shop for petrol (gas, gasohol, etc.). The places I have in mind are not the same as

Re: [Tagging] Proposal : Move smoking tag to active status

2015-03-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Moved http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:smoking Left for now http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dsmoking_area There is some divergence between the translations. Tag:amenity%3Dsmoking_area appeared in a unilateral edit on 14 May 2014 by user ArPi with comment create microwiki:

Re: [Tagging] Proposal : Move smoking tag to active status

2015-03-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 6:00 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: +1 but please copy and archive the proposal I'm pretty sure I screwed up the archive process, despite the template {{Archived proposal}}. Sorry. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Proposal : Move smoking tag to active status

2015-03-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Heh. Few things that look easy really are. I'll additionally propose to fold: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dsmoking_areaaction=history Into smoking=yes ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Is what we are doing useful? (OSM.org map case)

2015-03-22 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 1:42 AM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think that one good way to promote OSM is to teach the general public to make references to the main Map http://www.openstreetmap.org. André, This type of discussion does not belong on the tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-22 Thread Dave Swarthout
Nobody's proposing another amenity tag. My thrust here is to gather opinions about adding another shop key, this one a shop for petrol (gas, gasohol, etc.). The places I have in mind are not the same as standard fueling places, tagged amenity=fuel, in fact, I wish them to be tagged

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-22 Thread Warin
On 23/03/2015 1:20 AM, fly wrote: Am 17.03.2015 um 07:26 schrieb John Willis: There was a big bruhaha about any mappers mapping Israeli military installations. They were deleting everything and leaving notes not to map things on that location, if I remember correctly. I don't know the

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

2015-03-22 Thread Dan S
It's interesting. I hadn't realised it's open-source too, so osm could run its own version of it if we wanted to. Dan 2015-03-20 22:38 GMT+00:00 Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com: Dear all, In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal discussions, Loomio has been mentioned. At

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-22 Thread Jan van Bekkum
There is also more risk that fuel sold for cars is more polluted or that water was added. Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards, *Jan van Bekkum* www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging