Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-09 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi! Am 09.04.2013 um 17:22 schrieb François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu: In my mind, define a role in a relation is mandatory but you say it's definitely not right. Roles can make sense. For example ways in a route relation may have the role forward or backward, if this

Re: [Tagging] Mismatched Level of Detail in highways vs. other elements

2013-04-07 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi! Am 08.04.2013 um 04:44 schrieb John Baker rovas...@hotmail.com: As you are talking about rendering of the roads. I am actually looking at this for the new cartoCSS mapnik style for osm.org. Have you had a look at the style Lane and road attributes for JOSM? I know it's not a cartoCSS

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-07 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi! Am 08.04.2013 um 00:03 schrieb François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu: Hi again :) 2013/4/7 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com Hi! Actually how could that happen? I don't have example, I was only guessing. Assuming 2 different power plants with output

Re: [Tagging] Wiki article about key hov

2013-03-29 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi! Am 29.03.2013 um 00:15 schrieb Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: I tend to go with access=no, hov=*, and possibly motorcycle=yes or psv=designated, since I've yet to find an HOV road that allows you to walk, ski, ride an animal or a bicycle, etc. on it; it literally only allows the

[Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-05 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi, Are there any arguments against using amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter for field shelters (see [1]) for horses? From the wiki: The amenity=shelter tag marks all sorts of small shelters to protect against bad weather conditions. Sounds good to me. Regards, Martin [1]

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-02-01 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 01.02.2013 um 15:01 schrieb Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: I think that's harder than you think. What if you have the next example: http://i.imgur.com/ETBsfSQ.png How does the renderer preprocesor know if the middle line is inside the bridge area? It has to make some difficult

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-02-01 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 01.02.2013 um 15:33 schrieb Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de: That's why I promoted to keep bridge=yes nevertheless (see previous posts) We definitively should keep bridge=yes! Regards, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-01-31 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 01.02.2013 um 00:01 schrieb Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de: On 31.01.2013 12:06, Martin Vonwald wrote: I'm looking for some alternatives to map tunnels and bridges that contain several ways. I'm not really happy with the proposed relation -1 The current method is used and well

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-25 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 25.01.2013 um 20:23 schrieb Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl: It is a little bit sad that the proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement died due to lack of votes. It would have resolved these problems. Maybe somebody could review and

Re: [Tagging] wiki building=hangar

2013-01-23 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
...@gmail.com: 2013/1/23 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: I just want to add my understanding of the building tags: building=xxx (with no other tags like building:use): it looks like a xxx and is used as xxx building:use=xxx: it is used as xxx, but might not look like one building:type=xxx: it looks

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-03 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Hi! Am 03.12.2012 um 20:27 schrieb Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl: I intentionally chose not to deprecate maxspeed:wet as I had the feeling that doing so might upset some people and I didn't want such minor issues to affect the voting process. Of course I will recommend to use the conditional

Re: [Tagging] Exclusive access rights

2012-11-01 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Hi, Am 31.10.2012 um 23:49 schrieb Johan C osm...@gmail.com: Ok, so what you guys are saying is that http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Restrictions is wrong on the description of motor_vehicles. Fine to me, but I would appreciate an improvement of that page then. How can

Re: [Tagging] Exclusive access rights

2012-10-31 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
, then psv and hgv are still allowed to drive on that highway. Am I misreading the map features? 2012/10/31 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com 2012/10/31 OSM o...@bavarianmallet.de: I am sorry to disagree, but if hgv and psv use a kind of motor_vehicle, they are still not allowed

Re: [Tagging] Exclusive access rights

2012-10-29 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 29.10.2012 um 14:27 schrieb Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: It is currently not valid - vehicle types can only appear in the key, whereas groups of users (forestry, customers, delivery, ...) can only appear in the value. For the groups of users, it actually gives exclusive access rights

Re: [Tagging] Emergency lane used by PSV at rush time

2012-10-16 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 16.10.2012 um 21:30 schrieb Eric SIBERT courr...@eric.sibert.fr: Sorry for late answer. There is so much traffic related to lanes on this mailing list. I suggest the following rewording which should reflect the initial intention: Other lanes such as Wikipedia spitsstrooken in the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: Legally separated ways

2012-10-15 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 15.10.2012 um 17:55 schrieb Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: But as I'm sure you've noticed there's some divided opinion about this. That's why I asked! Actually I don't think that we see any consensus about this soon. But then I can document at least that there are two variants

Re: [Tagging] Narrow Bridge (was: Reconstructing «Dificult passability» proposal to «Obstacle»)

2012-10-13 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 13.10.2012 um 14:48 schrieb Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: I don't like the lanes tag where there are no lines on the street, it misses the point. It completely misses the point! The lanes tag should only be used for lanes that are somehow marked - usually with lines. A narrow bridge is

[Tagging] Uses of parts of buildings

2012-09-26 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi, A quick question how you would tag this: * one building (looks from the outside mostly like a residential building) * the building is used for three different things: an office, a riding ground (just assume it's a pitch) and a stable. * the building is not separated - it's just one building

Re: [Tagging] Map for surface/smoothness?

2012-09-11 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 11.09.2012 um 16:10 schrieb Georg Feddern o...@bavarianmallet.de: http://roads.osm4people.org/?zoom=7lat=49.60305lon=10.72137layers=B0TFF Thanks! This covers surface, but smoothness isn't supported as far as I can see. ___ Tagging

[Tagging] Completely off-topic: native speakers for a short survey needed

2012-08-26 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Hi, First I have to excuse myself for this 100% off-topic mail. I nonetheless sent it to this mailing list because here might(!) be the right target group. I need a few volunteers for a short survey. They need to be native speakers, preferable from GB, and not(!) involved in the legal or

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - blue_flag=yes

2012-07-06 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Just a quick thought: wouldn't it be more readable if this tag would be a subkey of beach, i.e. beach:blue_flag=yes? So you see at once that this is a property of the beach. Regards, Martin Am 06.07.2012 um 17:10 schrieb Johan Jönsson joha...@goteborg.cc: There are plenty of beaches (and

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - blue_flag=yes

2012-07-06 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 06.07.2012 um 20:48 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: If you would like to subtype it, I'd use an award-namespace, similar to how it was mentioned in the other thread: award:blue_flag=yes on the entity it applies to (be it a beach or something else) This looks to me more

Re: [Tagging] Extended Conditions - response to votes

2012-07-05 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 05.07.2012 um 12:08 schrieb Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net: This really is the wrong way round. We must always consider the mapper *first*. If a scheme is too complex there will be no data added for consumers to use. I fully agree with you, but simply wrote it badly. We need a scheme that

Re: [Tagging] Extended Conditions - response to votes

2012-07-05 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 05.07.2012 um 13:49 schrieb aighes o...@aighes.de: Am 05.07.2012 12:08, schrieb Chris Hill: This really is the wrong way round. We must always consider the mapper *first*. If a scheme is too complex there will be no data added for consumers to use. This shouldn't be a problem, because

Re: [Tagging] Extended Conditions - response to votes

2012-07-05 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 05.07.2012 um 14:30 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: reading this discussion again demonstrates how useless our voting process is. Sad, but true. It is obvious that this issue has not been thoroughly discussed, that there is no consensus about which problem exactly it

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2012-07-02 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 02.07.2012 um 22:09 schrieb sabas88 saba...@gmail.com: I'd opt for landcover system. +1 for landcover. IMO the tag natural should not be used for areas (yes, I know, currently it is used often for areas). ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the conditions debate: first summary

2012-06-15 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
+1 to the summary and especially to: Am 15.06.2012 um 16:41 schrieb Eckhart Wörner ewoer...@kde.org: I would also like to ask people not to blindly start new proposals, because otherwise we'll inevitably end up with hundreds of proposals and no conclusion at all. I would even prefer to have

Re: [Tagging] New access tag value needed?

2012-06-01 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 01.06.2012 um 15:01 schrieb Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: On 01/06/2012 14:19, Jason Cunningham wrote: On 1 June 2012 08:09, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: But we have to make sure, that this values are only applied if real indications (e.g. signposts) are present

[Tagging] Dispute again: Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Can someone please stop NE2? I'm sick and tired of this person. Beside contraproductive statements and continuous vandalism (yes, I call it this way) and can't see anything useful coming from his direction. If this isn't stop here and now I don't see any point in investing a single second in

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
. In many cases they ar more like a widening of the road so its possible to make a three-point-turn. I dont think anyone i sweden will change how we map this in Sweden because of this definition. But how do you guys feel about this? Best Regards Thod 2012/5/17 Martin Vonwald imagic

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
to turn around. 2012/5/17 Martin Vonwald (Imagic) imagic@gmail.com: But this is exactly the definition of turning_place: a widening of the road without any island. Am 17.05.2012 um 22:23 schrieb Tobias Johansson t...@mensa.se: There is one thing. In Sweden we have something called

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 16.05.2012 um 19:44 schrieb Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: Does anyone have an actual use case where it's so important to know whether entering traffic yields that the user expects a completely different tag when one or more approaches has right-of-way? Penalties for routing?

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-26 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 26.04.2012 um 20:03 schrieb Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com: Major problem: You've haven't adequately dealt with the lanes=1.5 issue. You've suggested something that can't solve the issue, but simply looks like an attempt to cleanse it from the lanes tag and forget about it.

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-21 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 20.04.2012 um 16:58 schrieb Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com: On 20 April 2012 14:35, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Which prompts another question, do we have a tag for a 'passing place'? There is a photo of one on this page

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-21 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 21.04.2012 um 13:34 schrieb Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi: ...What I don't really care if it is called lanes=1.5 or lanes=1/2+some_other_agreed_tag_which_is_not_an_estimated_width=x, but simply saying that use lanes=1/2 alone instead I oppose. I would recommend lanes=2 and

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 08.02.2012 um 18:48 schrieb Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: On 08/02/2012 17:52, Martin Vonwald wrote: I suggest putting the lanes qualifier in front, allowing arbitrary tag hierarchies to follow at a fixed location. This was suggested, but dropped for better readability: see Default

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 08.02.2012 um 20:38 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: you could have a relation to say that there is a linear possibility to switch between the lanes (proposed area relation). This would make some things much easier (we could use standard tags on the ways and it would be