Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - /entrance/door - Indoor mapping - Buildings

2012-01-05 Thread Andreas Balzer
Hello again,so far the voting on the door proposal for indoor mapping got 7 votes (positive and negative).See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance/door I would appreciate if more people can vote and comment their ideas on the dicussion page. So far many people

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - /entrance/door - Indoor mapping - Buildings

2012-01-05 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Andreas. I didn't vote (yet), because I'm a little bit ambiguous about it. On the one hand I like detail mapping and even indoor mapping ideas, but - and here is the (or at least one) comment you requested: Indoor mapping leads to mapping in more than one level in buildings most often.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - /entrance/door - Indoor mapping - Buildings

2012-01-05 Thread LM_1
Hi, Generally I am in favour of 3D and very detailed mapping even of buildings' inside, but putting number of nodes inside a building outline just does not seem very sensible. It seems like stretching the current mapping model far beyond it should ever be. For how to do it, I believe that there

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - /entrance/door

2011-12-24 Thread Andreas Balzer
Hello,I would like to hand in a request for voting on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance/door. It is about how to tag a door which is especially useful for indoor tagging. Andreas ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - /entrance/door

2011-12-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/12/24 Andreas Balzer em...@andreas-balzer.de: Hello, I would like to hand in a request for voting on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance/door. It is about how to tag a door which is especially useful for indoor tagging. please note, that there are some features

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Erik Johansson
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:28 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: As the creator of the proposal I do not like your proposed key/value entrance=public_transport. The tag should show the importance of an

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread André Riedel
2011/10/14 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit  about what you mean. You can tag the entrance of a train or subway station as entrance=yes/main BUT only together with a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/14/2011 01:00 PM, André Riedel wrote: If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit about what you mean. You can tag the entrance of a train or subway station as entrance=yes/main BUT only together with a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely.  I think it would be good, wherever possible, to stick to the idea of the value of a tag subclassing the key, so that building=*

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be able to tag their entrances? That seems logical to me. Is there some problem with doing this, that I haven't seen? I know that it would be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/14/2011 01:18 PM, John Sturdy wrote: Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be able to tag their entrances? That seems logical to me. Is there some problem with doing this, that I haven't seen? Sorry, I forgot that a subway station does not always

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 10/14/2011 7:35 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Tagging an above-ground subway station as a building is common practice. For underground buildings, things are more difficult; we don't have an established way of recording the fact that they are below the surface. layer=-1 doesn't cut it as it is only

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 10/14/2011 01:18 PM, John Sturdy wrote: Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be able to tag their entrances? That seems logical to me.  Is there some problem with doing this,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John F. Eldredge
André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/14 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit  about what you mean. You can tag the entrance of a train or subway station

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: In the case of a subway station, this will mean that the station's area will need to underlay other mapped objects, and the mapper will need to map the access tunnels as well as the station proper. Burrr!

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/14 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit  about what you mean. You can tag the entrance of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: What about covered=yes? or underground=yes which could be a simple filter for all of us who don't want to be disturbed by underground features during edition. Pieren

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: What about covered=yes? or underground=yes which could be a simple filter for all of us who don't want to be disturbed by underground features

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/10/14 John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: What about covered=yes? or underground=yes which could be a simple filter for all of us who don't

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 10/14/2011 9:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The established way is covered, at least it has a definition in the wiki and dates back to 2009 + it is used more often (covered, usage: C. denote an area such as an underground parking lot, a covered reservoir/cistern or even such things as an

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/10/14 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 10/14/2011 9:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Covered doesn't mean something is underground, just that it has a roof on top. For example a road passing through a building at ground level would be covered=yes. covered doesn't necessarily

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-13 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi. I fear, it's wrong that most data consumers would get informed simply because of a vote in the usual community channels. I think, there are a lot of data consumers, who don't follow the changing tagging system after once implementing it. That may be wrong, but I think, we should avoid mass

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-13 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:28 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: As the creator of the proposal I do not like your proposed key/value entrance=public_transport. The tag should show the importance of an entrance and not what you will find behind the door. Definitely. I think it

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Ilya Zverev
Hi. The proposal for marking building entrances with entrance=* tags was discussed a year and a half ago, but didn't really go anywhere: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance Notice that there is a conversion mentioned in it, from deprecated building=entrance.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/12/2011 11:12 PM, Ilya Zverev wrote: An hour ago there was a big changset (#9541529) from one of belarusian mappers changing 21640 building=entrance to entrance=yes in several countries, including Russia. This is not the first attempt, and I'm undoing it now. Please let them know

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Tobias Knerr
Pieren wrote: It was not widely discussed but the proposal seems to be accepted as an improvement. But deprecating a tag is never easy in OSM. It needs a large consensus, a wide audience and time ... The proposal is actually well designed in that regard. It doesn't redefine any existing tags

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Erik Johansson
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru wrote: Hi. The proposal for marking building entrances with entrance=* tags was discussed a year and a half ago, but didn't really go anywhere: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance An hour ago there was

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru wrote: Hi. The proposal for marking building entrances with entrance=* tags was discussed a year and a half ago, but didn't really go anywhere:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 10/12/2011 6:52 PM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: Please let me know when did my private renderer for those building=entrances cease being something that renders (besides the times when my VM is down of course :-))? ...Honestly, I think you just _assumed_ that nobody is using the data for anything

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Richard Mann
I think you meant might be advised rather than need On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: If entrance=* is being used at all, you need to change your rendering to support it, whether or not existing building=entrances are being changed.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Erik Johansson
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Erik Johansson wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru wrote: aren't we better of without building=entrance? I really hope that DWG can be kept out of this.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 10/12/2011 6:52 PM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: Please let me know when did my private renderer for those building=entrances cease being something that renders (besides the times when my VM is down of course :-))? ...Honestly, I think you just

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Erik Johansson
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi wrote: But that's still besides my point which is that deprication should be handled properly instead of giving those hints for DWG to not interfere on mass removal even before anything is official. FYI, I'm not against

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Ilya Zverev
So, how about proposals to replace tags globally? For example, after this proposal is accepted, we could start voting on mass-retagging entrances, so 1) it's official; 2) most data consumers get to know about the change and adjust their software accordingly? With this we could make a precedent

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread André Riedel
2011/10/13 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: Further I would like to propose railway=subway_entrance = entrance=public_transport, since it's probably interesting to have on bus/boat/rail terminals as well, now this is a bit more tricky since it already renders. As the creator of the proposal