Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-12 Thread John Smith
Out of boredom I tried to think up all the non-physical tags currently in wide spread use: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:historic%3Devent#Why_even_obscure_tags_should_be_documented_if_they_are_likely_to_be_mapped.21 I doubt the list is exhaustive, but these are obviously important

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
Even if historic=event is removed from the wiki, and even if historic=battlefield is removed I doubt it will stop people mapping these locations, they are important to people, and people have already shown that there are physical places that can be mapped. In fact the only thing that will be

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Even if historic=event is removed from the wiki, and even if historic=battlefield is removed I doubt it will stop people mapping these locations, they are important to people, and people have already shown that there are physical places that can

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 00:50, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Even if historic=event is removed from the wiki, and even if historic=battlefield is removed I doubt it will stop people mapping these locations, they are important to people,

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Pieren
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: In fact the only thing that will be accomplished by removing references on the wiki is people will use multiple key/value pairs for the same type of object because they can't see any other values that are already

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 00:59, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: In fact the only thing that will be accomplished by removing references on the wiki is people will use multiple key/value pairs for the same type of object because

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:54 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, they already do use it: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/historic%3Aevent#values No, I meant more like historic=pa I have no idea what it means, but there is 2100 uses...

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 01:09, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:54 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, they already do use it: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/historic%3Aevent#values No, I meant more like historic=pa I have no idea what it

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/5/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com On 6 May 2011 01:09, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you are in New Zealand, you're unlikely to tag the same thing: It's being used for a Maori fortress, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81_%28M%C4%81ori%29 That seems

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 01:34, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com On 6 May 2011 01:09, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote:   Unless you are in New Zealand, you're unlikely to tag the same thing: It's being used for a Maori fortress, see

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: Unless you are in New Zealand, you're unlikely to tag the same thing: It's being used for a Maori fortress, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81_%28M%C4%81ori%29 IMHO the tag is not very well chosen. Besides that I agree with John Smith

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: 2011/5/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Aren't we nitpicking? I've tagged remains of Roman cities whose physical presence is arguable, but nonetheless those are places of historical interest in that a Roman building or forum was there.

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Pieren
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:26 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: Usually you will also find something on the ground, at least if you dig. Looking at the page for historic=event I can see that most people are arguing against historic=event and historic=battlefield because there

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:26 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Note that the OP is about historic=event, not battlefield. The edit war started because  JohnSmith documented what you, Martin, suggested in a previous thread although that

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 04:15, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: e.g. there is a place in Rome which is said to be the locus where Julius Cesar was stabbed by Brutus. I find this interesting and I I hadn't thought about assassinations, but all it took was an assassination to kick start

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-03 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:59 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Personally I think historic=yes isn't a good idea, since you have to do further digging to be able to classify things, where as stipulating why it's historic is of much better value. historic=event needs also further

[Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread Pieren
To stop a beginning of edit war ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:historicaction=history), I would like try something new and ask your feedback about the tag history=event wiki page. This tag is the result of a former discussion about immaterial historical

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/2 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: To stop a beginning of edit war (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:historicaction=history), I would like try something new and ask your feedback about the tag history=event wiki page. This tag is the result of a former

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2011 02:02, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: To reduce the danger of edit wars: what about _not_ defining the events explicitly significant (most of German Wikipedia disputes are about relevance criteria and I'd rather avoid similar discussions in OSM if possible). Of

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread John Smith
After digging further into this, and with all XAPI servers seemingly unresponsive I looked toward tagwatch, the following are historic values of curious note: yes (5053) pa (2138) battlefield (331) Altstraße (80) heritage (76) tumulus (60) industrial (54) coat_of_arms (54) hollow_way (41) road