2010/10/20 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:
Aren't admin_level and place getting at slightly different things?
admin_level is to mark official political/legal boundaries. place is to
mark a...well...place that has a name, and the
place=city|town|village|hamlet does not necessarily
admin_level=8, as per
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries
place=suburb if it's a bit of a larger urban area
place=town if it corresponds to a reasonably large standalone urban area
place=village if it corresponds to a single small
2010/10/20 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com:
place=locality if it's not got a single small standalone area
locality is to be used for uninhabited places according to the wiki.
The is also place=isolated_dwelling for singular settlements (just one
house/maximum 2 households)
Townships are units of govt that are subdivisions of County, typically
square, population and urban form varies (to save you the trouble of
reading the wiki article he suggested you read if you don't know what
they are).
If the township contains a series of tiny places, but people do
genuinely
2010/10/20 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com:
Townships are units of govt that are subdivisions of County, typically
square, population and urban form varies (to save you the trouble of
reading the wiki article he suggested you read if you don't know what
they are).
Then it
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:02 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
2010/10/20 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:
Aren't admin_level and place getting at slightly different things?
admin_level is to mark official political/legal boundaries. place is to
mark
M?rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
Then it is a case for admin boundaries IMHO.
I think I agree with this - and also with a comment from talk-us of tag it
as place=township anyway
One of the issues seems to be that the admin_level tag for the US seems very
bare bones:
2 -
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Antony Pegg anttheli...@gmail.com wrote:
M?rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
Then it is a case for admin boundaries IMHO.
I think I agree with this - and also with a comment from talk-us of tag it
as place=township anyway
One of the issues
2010/10/20 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:
Functional (subjective) tagging versus tagging to a set standard (objective)
is one underlying reason why US highway tagging is so inconsistent--
I can't follow you here. Functional classification of inhabited places
(settlements) doesn't
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Brad Neuhauser
brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote:
From the place page:
In most Western countries, the status of a location (whether it is a
city/town/etc.), is decided by the
in the western
US tend to be much larger than in the eastern US.
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Subject :Re: [Tagging] how to tag US townships?
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Date :Wed Oct 20 11:44:30 America/Chicago 2010
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On 10/20/2010 11:35 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Brad Neuhauser
brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote:
From the place page:
In most Western countries, the status of a location (whether it is a
city/town/etc.), is decided by the government, and is not a function of
On 10/20/2010 11:53 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
Well, additional reasons for the density of place names in some
regions, and the sparcity in other regions, are: (1) not all of the
US uses the same hierarchy of administrative units; (2) some parts of
the US are much more densely occupied than
On 10/20/2010 12:16 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
On 10/20/2010 11:53 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
Well, additional reasons for the density of place names in some
regions, and the sparsity in other regions, are: (1) not all of the
US uses the same hierarchy of administrative units; (2) some parts of
the
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote:
(4) some people correctly use the place=* tag to reflect the government of
a place rather than the population because they put the population in the
population=* tag.
Fixed for you.
On 10/20/2010 12:57 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Alex Mauerha...@hawkesnest.net wrote:
(4) some people correctly use the place=* tag to reflect the government of
a place rather than the population because they put the population in the
population=* tag.
Fixed
2010/10/20 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
Is there some reason it would need to be repeated over and over for every
country?
I recognize the idea of American exceptionalism, but come on!
actually this never worked well, and in Germany and Italy people are
not following these definitions
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote:
On 10/20/2010 12:57 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Alex Mauerha...@hawkesnest.net wrote:
(4) some people correctly use the place=* tag to reflect the government
of
a place rather than the
On 10/20/2010 01:06 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/10/20 Alex Mauerha...@hawkesnest.net:
Is there some reason it would need to be repeated over and over for every
country?
I recognize the idea of American exceptionalism, but come on!
actually this never worked well, and in Germany and
2010/10/20 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
The definitions are well-established.
but they are not reflected in the (international/main part of) the
wiki for key=place.
I don't know if the British do tag strictly according to the place
description, but I know that Italians and Germans don't.
On 10/20/2010 01:08 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
I did and saw no guidelines for the US. I looked at existing tagging
and there was no standard (population-based for nodes but type of
government-based for areas).
You saw guidelines for OSM, and apparently took it upon yourself to
ignore them
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote:
On 10/20/2010 01:08 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
I did and saw no guidelines for the US. I looked at existing tagging
and there was no standard (population-based for nodes but type of
government-based for areas).
You saw
On 10/20/2010 01:24 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/10/20 Alex Mauerha...@hawkesnest.net:
The definitions are well-established.
but they are not reflected in the (international/main part of) the
wiki for key=place.
Oh? Every language version of
2010/10/20 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
IMO that just means that rendering needs to be based purely and directly on
population numbers, or we need some higher numbers (1 000 000 =
metropolis[1] 10 000 000 = megacity[2]? ) It might be useful to use a
relation to group separate legal-cities
2010/10/20 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
On 10/20/2010 01:24 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
The definitions are well-established.
but they are not reflected in the (international/main part of) the
wiki for key=place.
Oh? Every language version of
On 10/20/2010 01:43 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
I guess that Tübingen is more known to the average German then
Reutlingen, but that's just a guess. As written before, traditionally
cartographers gave more importance to Tübingen, while in current
automated internet cartography Tübingen looses
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote:
Perhaps we need to shift the discussion to actually figuring out a better
replacement for place=*?
place=incorporated?
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Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net writes:
On 10/20/2010 01:43 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
I guess that Tübingen is more known to the average German then
Reutlingen, but that's just a guess. As written before, traditionally
cartographers gave more importance to Tübingen, while in current
the primary employer
went out of business, but that is not the same thing.
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Subject :Re: [Tagging] how to tag US townships?
From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com
Date :Wed Oct 20 13:24:52 America/Chicago 2010
2010/10/20 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
The definitions
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Peter Budny pet...@gatech.edu wrote:
Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net writes:
On 10/20/2010 12:16 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
(7) Neither Mapnik nor Osmarender can handle labeling cities which are
stored as multipolygons. They only know how to deal with nodes.
in the same neighborhoods.
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Subject :Re: [Tagging] how to tag US townships?
From :mailto:j...@jfeldredge.com
Date :Wed Oct 20 14:44:53 America/Chicago 2010
I am not aware of any location in the USA (or anywhere else in the world, for
that matter) where a downtown
.
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Subject :Re: [Tagging] how to tag US townships?
From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com
Date :Wed Oct 20 15:29:32 America/Chicago 2010
2010/10/20 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
I am not aware of any location in the USA (or anywhere else in the world, for
that matter
2010/10/20 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
Dieter Driest may have heard a garbled description of urban renewal, a
now-largely-discredited urban-planning technique where large areas of
substandard housing were torn down and replaced by government-built public
housing, what the British
2010/10/20 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
Detroit has had some notable riots, particularly during the civil-rights
struggle of the 1960s, but the economic collapse began a generation later.
and now look when the demolishions were planned and executed.
cheers,
Martin
ok, I got a question
tagging admin area / populated centers / labels in USA seems to come down to
two main tags:
admin_level and place
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries
plus
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Place
I've ran into a
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Antony Pegg anttheli...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is that currently we dont have a discrete tag for place=township
and all admin_level= are =8
so, half a question, half a statement of intent, unless someone argues me
down from the ledge...
I'm going to
Aren't admin_level and place getting at slightly different things?
admin_level is to mark official political/legal boundaries. place is to
mark a...well...place that has a name, and the
place=city|town|village|hamlet does not necessarily align with the type of
government (if any) of the place.
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