)
There are a lot of possible values for this tag, some of them are:
Agriculture, Architecture, Biology, Chemistry, Design, Driving, Economics,
Electronics, Geodesy, Geography, Geology, Language, Law, Mathematics,
Medicine, Music, Painting, Physics, Sport, etc..
Thanks for your opinions,
Janko Mihelić
but
with a block name, and so on.. That tag isn't used for that. I would use
place=neighbourhood for the polygon.
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2012/4/15 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com
Somebody should start an OpenServicesDatabase-project, that would
host information about hotels, restaurants, cafes, museums and parks
with detailed description of amenities provided along with user
reviews.
/Markus
This would be
2012/5/24 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com
Hi
I want to tag the area (changing rooms/lawn/playground + pools) but I
get a problem with leisure=swimming_pool.
It is use for the pools but how to tag the whole area ?
leisure=water_park is not right (close but than we need some subtagging).
2012/6/7 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
My plea is to avoid these links to external ressources and to define
all necessary settings in our own wiki.
I think that a deeper integration with wikipedia could be a very
interesting thing. Maybe some links on our wiki aren't correct,
in combination
with leisure=beach_resort or leisure=marina. This could be useful for
easy searching of well equipped, maintained and clean beaches and marinas
for tourists. And it's a nice project for mappers on vacation :)
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should be changed if it's confusing. I added fee so there are no possible
conflicts.
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or marinas in Varazzo that have the blue
flag?
After inspecting, I guess they put Marina di Chiavari in the wrong place..
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by other, real-time services. We
should only concentrate on the best (fastest) case scenario.
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this is too much information for osm right now. fee_blue_flag=yes should be
enough.
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I think no_left_turn is the best solution. The line on the middle of the
street is not a u-turn indicator, it is an overtake indicator which can be
tagged with overtaking=no and overtaking=both.
Are you sure that the dotted overtake line allows you to make a u-turn?
Janko
2012/7/3 Pieren
2012/7/3 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com
I think no_left_turn is the best solution.
Actually, no_u_turn would be better. It's the same for the router, but
not the same for the user interface.
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2012/7/3 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl
Not sure about other countries, but in UK and NL a solid line means
(formally) no crossing and not no overtaking. For larger vehicles it
might be effectively the same thing, but for motorcycles (for example) it's
not as they can overtake another
2012/7/3 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk
The router does need fixing however as U-turns around a roundabout divider
island are rarely sensible and should not be treated as a junction.
Phil
I think this is the wrong way to look at this. If you rely on routers to
make this kinds of
2012/7/3 Pieren pier...@gmail.com
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote:
But anyway, representing the no-crossing
is important for routing and we should consolidate the wiki between
the overtaking and divider tags.
I agree, we could put something like
2012/7/3 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com
I still think it's more straight forward to map as two separate ways
than to add tags to provide a logically consistent view about how to
drive from A to B in a legal way. Bank robbers and emergency vehicle
drivers make anyway their own
2012/7/6 Glom joha...@goteborg.cc
As further information there is a bathing water directive in the European
Union that states that all bathing waters should be mapped. There does not
seem to be a id-number. Each bathing water is given a rating
(Poor/Good/Excellent).
(At least in Sweden, the
2012/7/6 Glom joha...@goteborg.cc
I have changed the wiki-proposal to only blue_flag=yes. I will send out an
Request For Comments in a new thread. Please fill the page with
information.
It could be used for other ratings:
rating_of_bathing_water=excellent
Dana petak, 6. srpnja 2012., korisnik Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com je napisao:
2012/7/6 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de:
amenity=drinking_water [6]
there is also some drinking_water=yes, which can e.g. be added to
amenity=fountain (where the fountain aspect seems more
Dana petak, 6. srpnja 2012., korisnik Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
imagic@gmail.com je napisao:
Just a quick thought: wouldn't it be more readable if this tag would be a
subkey of beach, i.e. beach:blue_flag=yes? So you see at once that this is
a property of the beach.
Beaches don't get blue
Ferries are a bit like motorways with tolls, but I don't know what is used
on motorways around the world. Fee=yes?
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there is no direct legal route to the other?
What about the roads in the countryside? Would you divide roads into lanes
if there is a full line, like in the following picture:
http://i.imgur.com/p5Oto.png
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, maybe you don't
want to have them both said.
I'm not saying we shouldn't put those words in a name, I'm just saying we
have a (small) problem.
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Now that I think of it, there is a third solution, and it is maybe even
better than relations. Routes that share a similar seaway can share points
and appear as a single way. That way users don't have to mess with
relations, and the map is clean.
Janko
2012/9/5 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk
Are relations supported by OSRM and other routers?
On traditional maps ferrys are drawn as a single line for each route, if
merged into a single way, how does the user viewing OSM on a screen work
out where a ferry goes to and from?
Ferry
I opened an issue on OSRM-s Github page:
https://github.com/DennisOSRM/Project-OSRM/issues/402
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How do we address durations[1] of ferry lines? It can't be tagged on the
way, because different ferry lines have different speeds. And you can't put
it on the relation, because one relation can represent several different
trips, from island to island.
Is the solution to make a separate relation
2012/9/7 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
IMHO you can tag this either on the ferry lines (ways) or on the
relations, but if you do it you will have to have a distinct object
for each line / all lines that share the same properties, i.e. you
might have to add more objects
2012/9/7 Dave Sutter sut...@intransix.com
I was thinking of using the ref tag as the publicly used term for the
entity. For example, there is a bus route 110 for SamTrans (San Mateo
county, California). I imagine the ref for this route is 110. There
could be some added information to specify
I think all those designated/official/yes are the same thing. They allow
something to go through a certain way. What is different is the source of
that allowance. If the source is law (access=yes, access:source=de:law)
then it's official. If you have a access:source=sign, then it's
designated. If
2012/9/14 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com
In the USA (at least in Nashville, Tennessee, where I live) veterinary
offices often include boarding services for small animals. Some only board
one type of animals, but accepting more than one type is more common.
Services are tagged like
Dana petak, 14. rujna 2012., korisnik SomeoneElse
li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk je napisao:
Saying that implies that people actually use tags such as these. Taginfo
suggests otherwise:
shop=bicycle: 13,425
service:bicycle:repair: 758
I'm guessing that it's a fair bet that more than 5% of all
Those pools are a part of the fountain, so I would tag the whole area as a
fountain. The part where the water comes out, and the pool are one entity,
one doesn't have any use without the other.
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2012/10/1 Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com
Hi,
recently someone mapped
2012/10/12 Eric Sibert courr...@eric.sibert.fr
- a narrow bridge i.e. you can't cross a vehicle in opposite direction. We
may use width=* but it is difficult to get it precisely. obstacle=narrowness
It's slightly offtopic, but wouldn't it be logical to use car as a non
accurate unit of
Well, car as a unit of road width can be used with the lanes tag. If it
catches on it can be put as a proposal.
I don't like the lanes tag where there are no lines on the street, it
misses the point.
Janko
2012/10/13 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com
Eric,
The English version did say that at
Maxspeed is always variable, because you have to adjust your speed
according to road conditions (snow, fog, traffic). Signals just make that
visible, but it is always there, even without the signals. The only thing I
would map is the maximal value the sign can show and put it in the maxspeed
tag.
2012/10/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com
Ideally yes - but keep in mind that not all amenities are mapped, and not
a lot (-- euphemism) of them have the opening hours. Of course, this
shouldn't stop us from thinking about tagging that.
Mapping all 24/7 pharmacies, bakeries,
it's own color for a fuel that has some tax breaks [1].
Do we tag it fuel:diesel:blue=yes for Croatia, fuel:diesel:red=yes for
Spain, fuel:diesel:black=yes for Greece? I think that is ok.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_dyes
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Given that the color of dye used varies by country, and may, in some
locations, include fuel used for construction equipment as well as
agricultural equipment, marked diesel seems like the best term
Dana utorak, 13. studenoga 2012., korisnik Malcolm Herring
malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com je napisao:
Janko, as to your first question, a suitable tag is that used by
OpenSeaMap:
seamark:type=small_craft_facility
seamark:small_craft_facility:category=fuel_station
This tag is applied to a
Maybe something even wider like:
service:money:transfer=yes
service:money:exchange=yes (because you can exchange currencies in some
banks too, not only exchange bureaus)
service:money:withdraw=yes
service:money:deposit_coins=yes
and so on..
Janko
2012/11/19 Sébastien Pierrel
2012/11/19 Pieren pier...@gmail.com
Is it really the aim of a geospatial database ?
You can go to the limit with this statement and say that you should only
map addresses, but the fact a bank is on that address is for a different
database.
I think we should have tags for all things, and then
that an establishment can't transfer money (a bank
for example) put the value no.
It's a bit like the key building. Renderers only look for the key
building and the value can be whatever. Specialized renderers can look at
the value.
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2012/11/20 Sébastien Pierrel sebastien.pier...@gmail.com
What if the establishment can transfer money via Western union and
Moneygram?
service:money:transfer=Western_Union;Moneygram
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know it, but other people are more likely to depend on the map.
I think we are far from a router that will route only locals through that
border :) Such a router would have to ask you much more than car, bike or
pedestrian. That's why I think a fixme=* or note=* is enough for now.
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Does something qualify as a seamark if it is visible from the sea? Maybe a
visible_from_sea=yes is enough?
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village can go through, the router could
ask are you from this village.
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How would you connect POIs that have no address?
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2012/12/7 ael law_ence@ntlworld.com
On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 03:19:42PM -0800, Dave Sutter wrote:
This may be a radical suggestion for OSM but I think POIs should be
removed from the map database and put in an external database. Each
man_made=embankment, so I use that. I put two
parallel ways, each in a different direction, to map the two slopes [1]. I
don't know if mapnik renders barrier=embankment. Are they the same thing?
[1] http://osm.org/go/0IsjeJtGC-- http://osm.org/go/0IsjeJtGC--
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2012/12/18 Enrico Mattea
will find an example
of a powerline drawn with 3 lines :) And I'm not sure if I could defend
deleting those two. They are there.
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like a shop closed for one day.
When a closed:until comes to an end, a bot could delete them
automatically.
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levitating at 1m below surface to 3km under
sea floor.
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2013/1/17 Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com
Would this fit the bill:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/temporary ?
Yes, temporary:access=no is the same as my closed=yes tag. And the
ability to put more tags behind temporary: is quite handy.
Closed restaurants could be
2013/1/17 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com
Sometimes a business ends up being closed for renovations or repairs for
much longer than expected. One McDonalds restaurant here in Nashville, TN,
USA closed temporarily over a year ago due to a fire. It is still closed,
and still not repaired,
2013/1/18 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com
Also, I think showing a non-operating restaurant on a map is at least
20x as bad as not showing an open one.
That's for a mapper to decide. Local mappers know best if a restaurant is
likely to open soon or stay like that forever.
amenity=restaurant
2013/1/18 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
it is similar to what others do with disused:amenity=restaurant
(prefixes to prevent applications to get it wrong --- they simply
won't get it at all). (IIRR, taginfo search is down at the moment).
Maybe disused:xxx=yyy could be used for
I suggest piste:type=sled + piste:difficulty=novice
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ski
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Yes, power=station is starting to get deprecated status. If it were me, I
would deprecate it right away on the wiki. Problem is, it is still used
quite a lot.
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It shouldn't be too hard to make a JOSM add-on that converts 3 letters into
2. So that's no problem.
How about those time domains? Could we use them to map temporary closed
roads?
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2013/1/23 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de
Do we need that?
Are there examples, where we need building:use?
I agree, building:use=* is redundant.
As I understand it, building=xxx means the building is built, and looks
like a xxx. It says nothing about it's use.
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is Transformatorenstation? There is no logical reason,
because power station is a power plant in English.
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This will hopefully include correcting misspelled tags.
I agree. We could add the tag power=substation to the wiki and patiently
wait for mappers to adopt it. And in a few years, we could do to
power=sub_station what we are doing now to power=station :)
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substation. If the area of the
power=sub_station is bigger than 60m2, then it is probably a high voltage
substation. I think that is much better than to force the mapper layman to
decide.
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2013/1/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
OK, but then they would have to map this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mamboman/448479749/
and this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rene-germany/5723334544/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zarner01/6899597110/
with the same tags. Why not
2013/1/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
If you have a closer look you will find that
there are lots of different types for substations, e.g. transmission
substations, distribution substations, collector substations,
converter substations, switching substations, etc.
Voltage is
At the moment the no big relations and no big areas rules go directly
against the one feature in osm for one real world feature. I think those
first two rules should be solved with more code. Maybe get a feature to osm
api to crop the gigantic areas and other relations when downloading,
defined by
2013/1/29 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com
The Danube river is perfectly adequately made whole by looking for
name:en=Danube. Get the computer to do the work, not mappers.
What if there is a little river Danube, somewhere in Ohio?
I guess other tags like wikipedia=de:Donau
a road (and in case of Ponte Vecchio, it
supports a footway and houses)
But tunnel isn't a building, so maybe man_made=tunnel?
I like this better than relations too.
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that change the height. So
we can agree to put in the maximum height the bridge has, or nothing. I see
no other solution.
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because the street outgrows the bridge area.
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or trains (use
ticket:admission=* on relations with type=bus or type=train).
As for parking, you just tag it with fee=no, and maybe capacity=*, and that
should be enough for routers to find a parking nearby. No relations needed
there.
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same operator and you put operator=* on everything that is operated by
them.
Again, relations are not
categories.http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations_are_not_categories
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And I put a few resort=L'Auberson tags just to check the script.
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. That would solve a majority of big substations.
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, don't map it.
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2013/2/21 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com
Hello world,
It can happen for a hiking route, maybe others, to go across a non-way.
One may for example get people across some land without a path or
officially start and end a hike in the middle of a parking
through. Hiking renderers could render them as possible routes which aren't
paths.
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as wikidata is more data oriented.
I would like to see what you guys think about it.
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2013/2/27 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com
It's worth menitioning that Wikidata is still very new. How stable are
the IDs? Any policies around them?
Steve
Wikidata is pretty new, but it is already deployed on Hungarian, Hebrew,
Italian, and English Wikipedias. Deployed means that
2013/2/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
What is the relation between wikidata and wikipedia? Couldn't one get
the wikidata-reference code by looking up the wikipedia article name?
In this case it would be an unnecessary duplication of information to
also have a wikidata tag.
2013/2/27 Pieren pier...@gmail.com
Tag operator:wikidata=Q38076 much better than operator=McDonalds ?!
Are you all so disconnected from real contributors ?
Real contributors can continue to write operator tags. I'm always for
making it easier for the mapper. But why not help developers once
2013/2/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
Still, why wikidata if
you can use wikipedia?
Imagine a data consumer that wants to list all McDonalds in the World. If
he would try to go by wikipedia tag, he should search for de:McDonald's,
en:McDonalds, hak:Ma̍k-tông-lò Kûng-sṳ̂,
2013/2/27 Pieren pier...@gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Peter Wendorff
wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote:
About McDonalds or McDonald's, define the standard value, call
XAPI/overpass or keepright/osmose to find them and fix the wrong
values with JOSM. It takes 2 minutes and the
2013/2/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
Yes, but the wikidata ID does not help in this case. McDonald's Corp.
is not the same as McDonald's Deutschland Inc., you can find
information about this in the German page, but not in other languages.
As long as wikidata only links to
to link to wikidata, but it doesn't help: Neither it does
make live easier for mappers nor it reduces errors in the data. With tool
support (as you propose) it might work, but without - and that's now the
case - it's useless.
It's useful for data consumers.
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2013/3/1 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
The problem is that wikipedia is not a database about companies, it is
an encyclopedia where it doesn't necessarily make sense to have a
distinct article for every business, and this doesn't seem to be
overridden by the wikidata concept (as
2013/3/1 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com
One issue with using officially-issued ID numbers (I assume that a VAT
number is a Value-Added Tax number assigned by the UK government) is that
there is no world-wide registry guaranteeing that the IDs are unique. A
given ID might mean one
2013/3/1 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
it will answer the question who operates them. For grouping them you
can look for brand, name, operator, and maybe more tags if you want to
find them all, I prefer brand in this case.
In what language do you suggest we write this in? For
2013/3/28 Andreas Labres l...@lab.at
Don't tag for the renderer! amenity=shelter by itself renders. Only tag it
as a
tourism=attraction if it /is/ a tourism attraction.
Tourism=attraction is quite an ambiguous tag. What is attractive to
tourists? Who decides that? I think that's more of a
2013/3/28 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com
Hi!
There is a proposal to group together parts of a junction:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/highway%3Djunction
A relation is total overkill for such a simple task.
I saw this proposal before and I liked it. Now I like
If the cycleways coming to the crossing are tagged as foot=no, then why
does the crossing have to be tagged with access tags?
Janko
2013/4/10 Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it
I've tagged some cycle crossing drawn as a single node with
highway=crossing, foot=no and bicycle=yes. I would
I think highway=crossing + foot=no + bicycle=designated is enough.
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The first example should be resolved with tagging lanes, as seen in this
link:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes#Motorway
The second one could use this proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lanes_General_Extension
I'm not sure if the two tagging schemes are
Disused=yes for non functional cannons and disused=no for functional ones
sounds good to me.
Janko
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leisure=swimming_pool renders blue on mapnik, so it was probably mostly
used for the actual pools.
Janko
2013/7/22 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
After reading http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**
I have looked at them and found some that maybe already have tags:
building:year -- start_datehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:start_date
building:roof:material --
roof:materialhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:roof:material
building:roof:slope --
2013/7/24 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com
An object is the physical thing. It's unique.
An attribute is the different forms, usage etc... of the object. It can
be multiple.
I don't think we should be so inflexible with the object vs attribute. It
depends on the context.
If you are
I think this could be tagged with amenity=parking, parking=surface,
access=private, and than if you want, invent a new subtag to explain what
type of a car park it is. Maybe parking:type=storage? I don't think the use
of this place is much different from a car park.
Janko
2013/7/31 Dave F.
2013/7/31 Pieren pier...@gmail.com
Then, try one of the hiking/hazard tags ?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sac_scale
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=hazard#values
Hazard tag sounds the best to me
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard
Janko
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