Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread john
I would guess that a tourist strip would refer to a group of businesses that cater mainly to tourists, such as souvenir shops, rather than catering to local residents. Since the two are sometimes intermingled, my preference would be to use an area tag such as retail_area, and then map the

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread john
One issue with tagging a commercial parking lot as landuse=road is that it is generally legal to use a road as a through route, whereas you can be issued a traffic ticket for simply cutting across a parking lot without stopping. Admittedly, this isn't always enforced. In my experience, this

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread john
So, in Italy, the owner of a private parking lot is not allowed to say that his parking lot can't be used as a public street? It is common in the USA to see signs at parking-lot entrances saying no through traffic. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse From

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread john
Well, you presumably would have an intermediate step in which the railway is no longer being used for train traffic, but the rails and crossties (also known as sleepers) have not yet been taken up, so it isn't suitable yet for use as a cycleway. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re:

Re: [Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread john
Shop=wedding is ambiguous. Going by the tag name alone it could be a shop selling wedding supplies (decorative materials used for weddings), a shop selling wedding gowns, or even a bakery specializing in wedding cakes, or any combination of the above. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re:

Re: [Tagging] community centres

2010-09-27 Thread john
Your proposed changes make sense to me. ---Original Email--- Subject :[Tagging] community centres From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Mon Sep 27 16:02:20 America/Chicago 2010 I happened to stumble over http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcommunity_centre The

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-27 Thread john
It sounds to me like office=wedding_planner would be the best choice. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com Sender: tagging-boun...@openstreetmap.org Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:47:58 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office

2010-09-28 Thread john
It looks like you have come up with good solutions to all of the issues raised. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office From :mailto:simonbi...@yahoo.com.au Date :Tue Sep 28 22:00:09 America/Chicago 2010 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Country names

2010-10-14 Thread john
However, in countries that have more than one official language, or in areas that expect to have a lot of foreign visitors, you are likely to see more than one language on at least some of the signs. In this case, what would you recommend, particularly if the signs are labeled in more than one

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-17 Thread john
So, are you saying that a shop that was located in a kiosk building, but sold merchandise other than cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages would have a tag building=kiosk, but would not have the tag shop=kiosk? ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk From

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-18 Thread john
? richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Hello richard and john: If they do not sell cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages they are not shop=kiosk

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-18 Thread john
The standard usage of kiosk, in most of the world, is to describe a type of building. The word comes from Farsi (the language spoken in Iran), and referred to a garden pavilion. The standard usage in English is to a small, one-room building, with a window open on one or more sides. Even by

Re: [Tagging] Paper streets?

2010-10-19 Thread john
Some of the folks in this discussion seem to be assuming that, if a street is shown on plans but has not yet been built at the time that an OSM mapper marks the locations of the existing street, this guarantees that the street will never be built in the future. I was not aware that having OSM

Re: [Tagging] Paper streets?

2010-10-19 Thread john
I was reacting to the fact that some people were defining paper streets as streets that haven't been built and never will be, rather than the definition used at the start of the discussion, streets that haven't been built yet. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Paper streets?

Re: [Tagging] Paper streets?

2010-10-19 Thread john
20:17:09 America/Chicago 2010 On 10/19/2010 03:15 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Unless you can foresee the future, you can't say for sure whether or not a given paper street will be built. All you can say for sure is that a street has been planned and hasn't been built_yet_. Sure you can

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-20 Thread john
:Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] how to tag US townships? From :mailto:ha...@hawkesnest.net Date :Wed Oct 20 15:38:42 America/Chicago 2010 On 10/20/2010 03:24 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Not all US states use the same administrative hierarchy. Yeah, but for example we use the same admin_level

Re: [Tagging] atms with names?

2010-10-22 Thread john
In the USA, ATMs will usually be labeled with the name of the bank chain operating them, and then will have smaller decals on the front showing which networks of banks that bank belongs to (for example, banking chain A and banking chain B both are part of the Cirrus network). You can use any

Re: [Tagging] atms with names?

2010-10-22 Thread john
In the USA, an A(M is usually a member of multiple networks, sometimes ten or more, and will usually have decals on the front of the machine identifying which networks it is a member of. You can use the machine if your bank is a member of any of those networks, but may have to pay a surcharge

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-22 Thread john
Peter Budny was talking about Richmond, Indiana, not Richmond, Virginia. According to the Wikipedia article on Richmond, Indiana, Richmond is a city largely within Wayne Township, Wayne County, in east central Indiana, which borders Ohio. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging]

Re: [Tagging] new highway tag for small and informal footpaths; trail

2010-10-25 Thread john
For that matter, roads originally intended for motor vehicle use are sometimes later changed to being restricted to bicycle and/or foot use, particularly in public parks. These park roads will often have a gate blocking vehicular entry, with official personnel able to open the gate when

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] stop signs

2010-10-26 Thread john
The amount of delay varies according to the traffic, particularly in cases where one cross-street is not required to stop at the intersection. I have encountered intersections where, at rush hour, you effectively can't make a left turn from the side street, or go straight across, because the

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] stop signs

2010-10-27 Thread john
I have never seen a stop sign at a railroad crossing. Buses are required by law to stop before a railroad crossing, and open the bus door so that the driver can better hear if a train is approaching. Some other commercial vehicles routinely stop as well, but private vehicles aren't required

Re: [Tagging] quarries in engineering

2010-11-05 Thread john
Pea gravel is mined from river and stream beds. Crushed-stone gravel comes from quarries. The latter type is commonly used in concrete (pea gravel is sometimes used in a surface layer). I am not an engineer, but I do live near a gravel pit. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Carpool

2010-11-14 Thread john
:02 America/Chicago 2010 Le 14/11/2010 12:15, Nathan Edgars II a écrit : On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:08 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/13 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 13 November 2010 21:38, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: access

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Carpool

2010-11-14 Thread john
a écrit : On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:08 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/13 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 13 November 2010 21:38, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: access no is completely wrong IMHO, better might be access=private

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Carpool

2010-11-14 Thread john
What I am visualizing is a parking lot, perhaps government-owned, where only those who are currently car-pooling are allowed to park. Others would be allowed to enter to drop off or pick up passengers there, but not to park there. I don't, offhand, know of any such, but would not be surprised

[Tagging] FW :Re: RFC: new key Landcover

2010-11-16 Thread john
If you wanted to describe both the soil and what is growing on the soil, would you use both a surface tag and also a landcover tag? For example, if you had a sand dune stabilized by beach grass, would you use surface=sand and landcover=beach_grass? ---Original Email--- Subject :Re:

Re: [Tagging] RFC: new key Landcover

2010-11-16 Thread john
To expand upon my earlier example, imagine a sandy beach with some exposed rock outcroppings, and sand dunes with beach grass growing on them. The entire area would be tagged with natural=beach. Exposed rocks would be tagged with surface=rock, and the rest with surface=sand. In addition,

Re: [Tagging] FW :Re: RFC: new key Landcover

2010-11-17 Thread john
So, you would be using multiple surface tags on the same area? I thought that the usual practice was to have only one surface=whatever tag on a given area. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] FW :Re: RFC: new key Landcover From :mailto:r...@kleineisel.de Date :Wed Nov 17

Re: [Tagging] FW :Re: RFC: new key Landcover

2010-11-18 Thread john
From my personal experience, beach grass usually grows in the somewhat-scattered manner shown in these photos, not as densely as grass growing on regular soil. That is why I suggested documenting both the sand (surface tag) and also the vegetation growing on the sand (landcover tag).

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread john
I agree that it makes more sense to have a separate tag for the weight limit. I would also not be surprised to find certain roads forbidden to trucks over a certain length, or forbidding trucks with tandem trailers, because the road in question doesn't have room for a vehicle that size to turn

Re: [Tagging] Width of shop frontage

2010-11-23 Thread john
How will it handle multiple businesses sharing the same street address? A common pattern in the USA is for all of the offices/stores in a shared building to have the same street address but have different suite numbers (for example, 123 Main Street, suite 101; and 123 Main Street, Suite 102).

Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts

2010-12-15 Thread john
businesses to advertise their location with respect to the markers. I used man_made=tower name=Marker 7, but I don't know if this is best. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Draft - Depot

2010-12-16 Thread john
://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] Deprecated features - highway=disused

2010-12-20 Thread john
they rebuilt I-4 they left a small piece of the old westbound lanes, including a bridge. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread john
. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

Re: [Tagging] Subjective Tags was: designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread john
with providing warnings Cheers Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-02 Thread john
@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] bridge=aqueduct mapped as polygon riverbank?

2011-01-03 Thread john
___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

Re: [Tagging] Mapping gentle slopes?

2011-01-04 Thread john
steepness. Tobias Knerr [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:incline ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread john
-___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread john
supplies, baby products  On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Osmisto osmi...@gmail.com mailto:osmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 04:23 +1000, John Smith wrote: These shops can supply stuff for toddlers and children, not just infants. Also I think the word 'care' is misleading, to me

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread john
. I'am voting for baby_goods :) But does baby_goods or especially baby_products sounds like products which are made by babies? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread john
+, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I don't think anyone is likely to think this is a shop or factory using babies as child labor; even if it were legal, babies would not be particularly productive as workers. Then why not shop=baby ? Selling children is illegal everywhere (I hope) :) -- John F

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread john
-- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-06 Thread john
is meaningless/redundant. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - deaddrop

2011-01-06 Thread john
to add support of these usb spot in OSM. Regards, Gael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread john
://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread john
-- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread john
://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-08 Thread john
, and this is the way the tag is being used. Stephen On 8 January 2011 08:58, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: A tow truck driver doesn't need much more than a special license, I don't think this is a craft at all. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread john
://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Re: Towing service?

2011-01-11 Thread john
-- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] new key civilization

2011-01-11 Thread john
historic:civilization=roman historic:period=aurelia That way we can have more descriptive tags without worrying about conflicts with non-historic meanings. On Jan 11, 2011, at 4:35 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/1/11 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Perhaps one could have separate tags

Re: [Tagging] RFC: historic:civilization and historic:period Re:new key civilization

2011-01-12 Thread john
Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Tidal inlets / creeks

2011-01-18 Thread john
mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread john
but DC is pretty respectable). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-19 Thread john
, planning permission for everything is needed to the city boundary. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even

Re: [Tagging] tagging capitals

2011-01-21 Thread john
indeed have a method to tag this. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-26 Thread john
of the tag bare_rock. /Johan Jönsson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-31 Thread john
/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-02 Thread john
.jpg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] capitals; normalizing true, yes and 1

2011-02-05 Thread john
for the renderer, we should add don't tag for osm2pgsql. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly

Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes

2011-02-13 Thread john
://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] Draft - Vegetarian/Vegan

2011-02-14 Thread john
dont follow that strictness as much. I imagine that different cultures could have different definitions of vegetarian too. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalks vs Footways

2011-03-17 Thread john
collapsing these two tags into a unified tag and making a final vote, and then fixing tags as necessary. Thoughts? - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalks vs Footways

2011-03-17 Thread john
that you can cross. For the barriers there is also tags to map them (be it a wall, grass, a kerb, or whatever). Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalks vs Footways

2011-03-18 Thread john
sidewalk to the other). Realtime traffic information (time of day, amount of traffic) is a general issue that one day we might be able to solve, given enough real time data input. cheers, Martin -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking (redux)

2011-03-19 Thread john
://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

2011-03-21 Thread john
them as if they were independent ways. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalks as separate ways

2011-03-25 Thread john
. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread john
for a flow tag? From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Fri Apr 01 09:38:31 America/Chicago 2011 -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread john
support for a flow tag? From :mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl Date :Fri Apr 01 12:14:01 America/Chicago 2011 -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

Re: [Tagging] Retaking the discussion on ATMs

2011-04-04 Thread john
on ATMs From :mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org Date :Mon Apr 04 13:35:15 America/Chicago 2011 -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

Re: [Tagging] types of surveillance cameras

2011-04-11 Thread john
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare

2011-04-21 Thread john
The problem with social_facility=outreach, even if you also use social_facility:for=senior, is that it doesn't specify which of the many types of services are available. Subtags for such things as adult daycare would also be useful. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Feature

Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves bothbuses and trains?

2011-04-24 Thread john
I can think of many other situations where the same node would correspond to more than one thing; having only one name label render, rather than multiple labels, seems like it would be simple to implement as long as only a single icon will be rendered. If you are going to render multiple

Re: [Tagging] music clubs tagging

2011-05-06 Thread john
I live in Nashville, TN, USA. Since this is a center for the music industry, many restaurants and pubs occasionally have live musicians. In my opinion, the distinction between a nightclub and a pub would not be whether or not it has live musicians (some of each have live musicians, some of

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread john
Part of the problem is that neighborhoods, unlike official administrative units, or even Home Owner Associations, don't necessarily have agreed-upon boundaries. Different people may consider the same location to be in different neighborhoods. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread john
Also, sidewalks are not always directly next to the driving lanes. There are sometimes grassy borders between the driving lanes and the sidewalk. Typically, this is a meter or so, but can be wider. On one street here in Nashville, Tennessee, USA, the sidewalk is about three meters to the

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistencesfishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-17 Thread john
In American usage, seafood covers all aquatic-origin food, whether from fresh water, estuaries, or the ocean. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistencesfishmonger vs. seafood From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Mon May 16 18:33:39

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-29 Thread john
So, if you have an intersection of two streets, with one traffic signal facing each direction, each of the four traffic signals will have its own distinct name? On September 29, 2014 4:45:33 PM CDT, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: The case of Japan is different. In Japan, the name

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: On Monday 12 October 2009 14:34:42 Anthony wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:15 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem then is how to tag the start/end of a numbering section, based on that document major roads are broken up

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:15 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem then is how to tag the start/end of a numbering section, based on that document major roads are broken up into sections of 100km. Relation: node for start, node

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: And how are you going to find the start and end of those sections without surveying? You won't, not unless you have some external data to import (and you didn't mention anything about that). Long sections of highways are an exception rather than the

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/13 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2009/10/13 Gilles Corlobé gil...@corlobe.tk: Hello everybody, I propose to add a tag boundary=military : the problem is that, with the existing tags, it's almost impossible to mark correctly lots of data, like (non limitative list)

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Visual map for the blind

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/13 lulu-...@gmx.de: I would love to agree, but the needs of disabled persons are widely spread over our tagging scheme anyway, and awareness of objects that refer to accessibility is nearly zero. There are categories for visual, hearing and walking impariment, colletcted in the

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-19 Thread John Smith
2009/10/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: is an exception, there are not many exceptions though, and as soon as a key:layer-page pops up, (e.g. set up by those who write continuously about this lack in this list), it will be solved. This requires an out of band work process, that

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread John Smith
2009/10/20 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2009/10/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-28 Thread John Smith
2009/11/28 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: excepted in some cases in US. The problem with implied values is when it is not true for a whole country and not only in a small number of exceptions. Then the default is country specific and should be documented separetely in the wiki for each country.

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-02 Thread John Smith
2009/12/3 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: * In France, if you are walking your bike you're considered a pedestrian. So it's a footpath Same thing applies in a number of Australian states, you are supposed to dismount and walk your bike across pedestrian crossings.

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-03 Thread John Smith
2009/12/4 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: They wouldn't fit on the escalators anyway ;) As in, bicycle=carriage_prohibited. Maybe that's an australian use. Actually now that I google it, I guess carriage means, taking it

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/27 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: How to tag a highway that goes through/under a building? In this example, the service road is incorrectly rendered in mapnik as being on top of the building, despite the building having layer=1: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/316607432 I

Re: [Tagging] Why using place=city for legal status is a bad idea

2009-12-27 Thread John Smith
2009/12/28 wynnd...@lavabit.com: Using tagged population figures as a substitute to guide renderers has been suggested but it brings its own problems because people will expect them to be more broadly useful and figures may either be out of date or it may be unclear what area is being

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-27 Thread John Smith
2009/12/28 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Is it? Can you explain why? Conceptually, all you need is layer=* and the ability to detect the overlap of the building=yes area and the highway=* way. But I guess you're saying this is hard to encode with render rules? This may need to be fixed

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-28 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com: As far as rendering is concerned, neither layering nor covered is properly rendered at this time on any of the renders that I'm aware of. Did you file a request for enhancement against mapnik for covered?

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: But isn't that the case with lots of nodes? The place=city name=London node, does it describe something that is the node itself, or rather lend a name to all that is around it? The node should be part of a relation/boundary describing the area that

[Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-05 Thread John Smith
Currently there is discussion on using relations to group segments of a highway occurring: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2599 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-05 Thread John Smith
: Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net writes: On 01/05/2010 01:32 PM, John Smith wrote: Currently there is discussion on using relations to group segments of a highway occurring: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2599 In that ticket, you wrote: “we think administrative polygons should be used

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread John Smith
2010/1/7 Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com writes: As for the shields this is deviating from the topic at hand but for it the shield can be derived from the lookup table on the wiki and then extra preprossesing in osm2pgsql to assign a shield based

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