Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we get a vague show of hands about what people think of this? I +1 for the wikipedia version. http://cr.yp.to/publicdomain.html ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Wikipedia version is the best current PD Dedication but I really would recommend waiting on CC Zero. CC Zero explicitly mentions database rights, which I think is a good thing, but I would be ahppy with the Wikipedia

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Joseph Gentle
We won't have all the data under one license though. Never will if we're incorporating TIGER data and data from other governments. I don't think its that big a deal - we could just say if you edit a node, your edits are also under the same PD license as the node is currently under or something.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Joseph Gentle wrote: We won't have all the data under one license though. Never will if we're incorporating TIGER data and data from other governments. Yeah you will - a single PD disclaimer of rights (PDDL, CC0, Wikipedia-like, WTFPL, doesn't really matter), with an attribution/disclaimer

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
What about a yahoo discussin group for OSM-PD? Would anyone object to that? Landon On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunburned Surveyor wrote: Does anyone have the e-mail address for Tom Hughes so I could request the creation of a public domain mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 02:17:46AM +1100, Joseph Gentle wrote: We won't have all the data under one license though. Never will if we're incorporating TIGER data and data from other governments. Exactly, the point to keep in mind here is that you don’t relicense stuff (at least not without much

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:19:50PM +0100, Brian Quinion wrote: Personally I'd be very happy to see the discussion of PD continue on the talk list but a mailing list seems a very minor resource compared to the time and effort that have gone into the creating the new license. I see the PD route

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Simon Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:19:50PM +0100, Brian Quinion wrote: Personally I'd be very happy to see the discussion of PD continue on the talk list but a mailing list seems a very minor resource compared to the time and effort

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:17:35AM +1100, Joseph Gentle wrote: I intended to have an overlay on my map which showed bus stops. This data would be collected from the local bus company. Under the old license, I couldn't use OSM because I couldn't share the overlay. It might not have been a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Ian Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't we just be happen to produce maps and data people will want to use? Ian. We already produce maps and data people want to use. I also want the maps and data to be under a license which lets them be used. (More.)

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread 80n
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 80n wrote: IMHO, PD weakens OSM and weakens its ability to free up other datasets. I don't see the ability to free up other datasets as central to OSM, and as such, weakening this ability does not IMHO weaken OSM.

[OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-21 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:06 PM, 80n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like so view OSM as a cool DIY project, not a political trick we're pulling. The problem with PD is that it permits companies to take OSM data, add their own data and benefit from result without giving anything back. Joseph's

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Kari Pihkala
Exactly. I wouldn't like to see nodes with a license tag. Once again, it over-complicates things. Or do you want people asking, which PD data can they use and which they cannot?? Importing PD data (such as TIGER) into OSM/PD isn't a problem. PD is PD. I vote for the Wikipedia PD style of public

[OSM-talk] best practice examples in the wiki

2008-10-21 Thread Joe Richards
It would be useful if there were some common mapping scenarios in the wiki, as a library of examples of common problems encountered and their efficient solution, almost like a story rather than a tag dictionary. This could include information like: * the way the data was captured (type of GPS

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS routing using OpenStreetMap data?

2008-10-21 Thread Mark Williams
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: On Mon, October 20, 2008 10:52, Valent Turkovic wrote: Are there any applications (on linux preferably) that use OpenStreetMap maps and give standard GPS routing functions like commercial car GPS units? Navit, GPSdrive, gosmore. You can also put OSM data into just

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Raphael Studer
I am also thinking about renaming the page altogether. There is simply no room for the word deprecated here. I'm just unsure about the new name. Old features? Older features? I dosn't like the world deprecated too. But I guess there should be a mechanism, to show the users which tags are

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS routing using OpenStreetMap data?

2008-10-21 Thread maning sambale
Do you actually have that working? I use mkgmap-r659 a Garmin Vista (HCx) and I see no routing - it insists on using the base map. I did see a mention of this some time back, but assumed it was 'coming' - it certainly hasn't made it to my setup! I use Garmin img from

[OSM-talk] Load shape for Postgis data into OSM

2008-10-21 Thread Andre Schoonbee
Hi List I have roads already calcified based on OSM in Postgis or Shapefiles. How can I get this data into OSM? Andre ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread sergio sevillano
hi this is Sergio Sevillano aka User:Sergionaranja sorry for the inconveniences. I think I have behave correctly though... I wanted to have linear barriers in use, so I found the barrier proposal which was the best option for it, and i promoted it along with other users to be approved as it

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The real question to ask here is what the clean-up is meant to achieve? Especially when the new tag does not really interfere with the old tag, what does forcibly removing the old

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Matthias Julius wrote: IMHO, if someone has the authority to put something on Map Features someone also has the authority to change or remove something or mark it as deprecated. Let me disagree. You are implying that just because I can add stuff to map features, I can also decide to mark all

Re: [OSM-talk] Asus eee and OpenStreetMap

2008-10-21 Thread OJ W
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: I would be really thankful if anyone can check it the packages are the same on debian based distros and or does apt-get need to have some other named packages. I would like to update my blog so that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Joseph Gentle wrote: Can we get a vague show of hands about what people think of this? I don't think its worth discussing for more than a day or so. If this issue is too contentious, we can let contributors decide with an option on their user page or something. +1 wikipedia version If you

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-21 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:44 PM, vegard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:27:27PM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 09:43 +0200, vegard wrote: I see it like this: What could be very useful to have, is a mapping between tiger data (old set) and OSM data. It

Re: [OSM-talk] Load shape for Postgis data into OSM

2008-10-21 Thread Raphael Studer
Hi Andre, I have roads already calcified based on OSM in Postgis or Shapefiles. How can I get this data into OSM? Try osmosis, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmosis. Rapahel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS routing using OpenStreetMap data?

2008-10-21 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you actually have that working? I use mkgmap-r659 a Garmin Vista (HCx) and I see no routing - it insists on using the base map. I did see a mention of this some time back, but assumed it was 'coming' - it certainly

[OSM-talk] Tag alt_name

2008-10-21 Thread Pieren
Hi all, I would like to add the tag alt_name in the Map Features wiki page. I discovered this tag in a mail from David Earl ([1]) sometime ago but I don't think that many people are reading the ML archives. I also don't think that a vote is required here because the tag seems obvious for me. But

Re: [OSM-talk] Manchester mapping party - any spare GPSs?

2008-10-21 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
Hi Farzaneh, I'll be bringing two of the OSM GPS units for loan (in addition to my own) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Gps_units But I also am pretty sure there will be some more brought from the same collection in Manchester, so don't worry! :-) Cheers, Tim On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS routing using OpenStreetMap data?

2008-10-21 Thread Barnett, Phillip
http://emexes.powweb.com/osm/ +1 from me. Works perfectly in my Garmin Legend CX, and calculates routes in sane timescales - circa 10-15 secs or so. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi Sergio, also followed the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/ Proposed_features#Post-vote_clean-up wich clearly mentions the Add entry to Map_Features page. Which is ok (I think you mixed up things by adding the barrier=* under the highway=* section but I fixed that). It doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Video with all OSM contributors

2008-10-21 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matt Amos wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having seen the 11Mb video, I'd appreciate to have the 37Mb original. I'll play it in a conference in one month, and people should be able to at least

Re: [OSM-talk] Video with all OSM contributors

2008-10-21 Thread Steve Chilton
Jamie You should try to get the one that was also shown at SOTM08 - of folk out mapping at Birmingham mapping party. Don't know where it is. Done by Nick Black's brother Tom. He has a blog/contact at: http://osmdoc.wordpress.com/about/ Else perhaps Nick can point to it. Cheers STEVE Steve

[OSM-talk] Best campus competition

2008-10-21 Thread richard
Hi all, I've enjoyed the feedback from mappers on my best campus post from a little while back. http://weait.com/bestcampus So let's turn this in to a friendly little competition for OSM maps of campuses. See the announcement here. We'll have the call for nominees shortly and a cut-off date

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I have no problem avoiding the moral rights quagmire. I think simplicity is one of the reasons to move to PD in the first place. I don't think it would be a problem to use the wikipedia public domain license now, and then consider a future move to something like the CC Zero. I would strongly

Re: [OSM-talk] Video with all OSM contributors

2008-10-21 Thread Steven Le Roux
What about doing a hack of code_swarm in order to show the contribs to the osm project (http://vis.cs.ucdavis.edu/~ogawa/codeswarm/) -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0x39494CCB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB

[OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Does anyone have the e-mail address for Tom Hughes so I could request the creation of a public domain mailing list for OSM? Is there a more appropriate way to handle this request? Thanks, The Sunburned Surveyor ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [OSM-talk] Video with all OSM contributors

2008-10-21 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any other high-quality videos I could download and show at UK Linux Expo? There's a few on YouTube, which I could rip with KeepVid.com, but it would be better to get higher quality originals

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Nic Roets
Tom, Many OSM contributors indicated that they are interested in a PD alternative (Richard, Frederik, myself etc). I believe that having a PD database (subset) many have a few applications. Like showcasing OSM on website where a viral license will be an issue. Google Earth etc. We all want to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: I'm not hard to find... I'm also not the right person to create mailing lists now though ;-) You want Mike Collinson for that. Good to know, I've been sending people your way all the time ;-) Is this PD thing actually OSM though, or something outside of/parallel to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Tom Hughes
Nic Roets wrote: Many OSM contributors indicated that they are interested in a PD alternative (Richard, Frederik, myself etc). I believe that having a PD database (subset) many have a few applications. Like showcasing OSM on website where a viral license will be an issue. Google Earth etc.

Re: [OSM-talk] Yet another street number scheme

2008-10-21 Thread Matias D'Ambrosio
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 14:37:29 Stefan Monnier wrote: Regarding street numbers: I'm very interested in adding them (as it so happens, I noticed their lack when looking for specific direction in Buenos Aires where indeed the block number is often used instead of the cross-street) and find

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Matthias Julius
Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Map Features is a documentation of what is used, not of what someone thinks should be used. The first paragraph on Map Features says it is a core recommended feature set and corresponding tags, and to me a recommendation is something that should be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Tom, You wrote: No, but some of us are trying to work to achieve the best consensus possible within the existing project while others appear to be trying to fragment the project. I don't think there has been a decision by any of us to fork OSM or to fragment the community. I believe there is a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Nic Roets
Well, as Frederik noted in the other thread, keeping it low key is best. I'm thinking parallel database running the same toolchain. No tools for automatically propagating to the main database. I'm not trying to fragment the project and I'm hoping no-one else is. I'm trying to maximize the value

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Rob Myers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunburned Surveyor wrote: Nothing is ever as simple as you hope. :] Joseph wrote: I don't think its that big a deal - we could just say if you edit a node, your edits are also under the same PD license as the node is currently under or

[OSM-legal-talk] OSM-PD Yahoo Group Created

2008-10-21 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I've taken the step of creating a Yahoo Group so we can continue discussions about OSM-PD: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/osmpd/ I invite all who are interested to join the group so they can participate in the discussion. I've set up the group so that I need to approve members before they

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I think the concerns about fragmenting OSM are valid. The problem with two databases and two toolchains is that you've just cut the collaborative power of OSM in half. I really think a situation in which all OSM users get to benefit from the PD data will be best. This will really make the whole

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Back to square 1. :] Is public domain really this hard? The Sunburned Surveyor On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunburned Surveyor wrote: Nothing is ever as simple as you hope. :] Joseph wrote: I don't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Brian Quinion
Tom Hughes wrote: We all want to improve OSM data quantity and quality. We just haven't agreed on weather a viral license will help or hinder. Just like we haven't agreed on JOSM vs. Potlatch. No, but some of us are trying to work to achieve the best consensus possible within the existing

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread vegard
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:34:39PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: I also think it is confusing if two equivalent tags are recommended for the same thing. If by whatever process it is determined that a new wah of tagging gates is recommended the old tag should point to the new one with the

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, vegard wrote: I agree. this democracy and meritocracy thing is good for something, but for the map to be really useful as a *world* map and not separated islands, Is it really so important for the map to look the same in Chile and in China? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, We have no mechanism to divide good from bad ideas. If you start putting your ideas about what you think is good and should be used on Map Features, then I will start putting mine on there as well, and everyone else. That's why we don't want to go down this road. (And before anyone

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread vegard
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:11:14PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, vegard wrote: I agree. this democracy and meritocracy thing is good for something, but for the map to be really useful as a *world* map and not separated islands, Is it really so important for the map to look the same in

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Matthias Julius
Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, We have no mechanism to divide good from bad ideas. If you start putting your ideas about what you think is good and should be used on Map Features, then I will start putting mine on there as well, and everyone else. That's why we don't want to

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, vegard wrote: Is it really so important for the map to look the same in Chile and in China? Well. You have to remember that rendering is not all, Ok, then: Is it really so important for routing software to work identically in Chile and in China? Look at it this way: How many Chinese

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag alt_name

2008-10-21 Thread Hugh Barnes
On Tuesday 21 October 2008, 20:56:58, Pieren did write: I would like to add the tag alt_name in the Map Features wiki page. I discovered this tag in a mail from David Earl ([1]) sometime ago but I don't think that many people are reading the ML archives. I also don't think that a vote is

Re: [OSM-talk] Video with all OSM contributors

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:06:55PM +0100, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: Does anyone have any other high-quality videos I could download and show at UK Linux Expo? I created animations for the Wales and Bradford mapping parties using party render

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:54:52AM +0200, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: Let me disagree. You are implying that just because I can add stuff to map features, I can also decide to mark all highway=* as deprecated? I think we should supercede highway=* with path=* because that makes so much more sense.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:17:35AM +1100, Joseph Gentle wrote: councils, proprietary satnav systems, google earth, etc. I don't think I’d rather people didn’t make their stuff proprietary at all. PD doesn’t encourage it, but doesn’t discourage it either. Share-alike discourages it, and that’s

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this PD thing actually OSM though, or something outside of/parallel to OSM? I don't quite understand at the moment how to whole thing is intended to work to be honest. We're still talking about it; hence the request for a

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Matthias Julius
Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, vegard wrote: Is it really so important for the map to look the same in Chile and in China? Well. You have to remember that rendering is not all, Ok, then: Is it really so important for routing software to work identically in Chile and in

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-21 Thread Grant Slater
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: Hello, I am trying to use the turbogears widget for openlayers and I'm having hard time figuring out how to point to openstreetmaps.org tiles. One of the examples they have: ol = WMS(name=OpenLayers WMS, url=[http://labs.metacarta.com/wms/vmap0;],

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-21 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Grant Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukasz Szybalski wrote: Hello, I am trying to use the turbogears widget for openlayers and I'm having hard time figuring out how to point to openstreetmaps.org tiles. One of the examples they have: ol =

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] TIGER 2007, first OSM data

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Hansen
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 22:58 -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can run it like this: perl tiger-shp-to-osm.pl data/ftp2.census.gov/geo/tiger/TIGER2007FE/41_OREGON/41055_Sherman/fe_2007_41055_edges.zip out-dave.osm

Re: [OSM-talk] Broken Coastline?

2008-10-21 Thread Rob Reid
Tristan Scott wrote the following on 20/10/2008 04:27: I've modded the coastline here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.7145lon=1.695zoom=14layers=0B00FTTT And yet all I've done is move about 4 points in a bit, and add a section of beach where I went for a walk. And now some of the new

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread SteveC
Guys OSM isn't going PD... can't you go start ReallyFreeAndOpenStreetMap.org or something? Best Steve On 21 Oct 2008, at 07:33, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: Does anyone have the e-mail address for Tom Hughes so I could request the creation of a public domain mailing list for OSM? Is there a

[OSM-talk-nl] QA admin_level=2

2008-10-21 Thread Rob
er vielen me wat puntjes op toen ik gisteren weer eens naar m'n topo kaart keek (grens rendering met admin_level=2) - in groningen is iemand bezig geweest de grens op de kustlijn te zetten.. !? - in duitsland is een vreemd stukje grens - in zeeland mist een stukje grens met belgie, voorbereiding

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] QA admin_level=2

2008-10-21 Thread Skywave
Er klopt ook geen snars van die grenzen, die rare grenzen komen van de AND data. In de verwarring tussen coastline en admin_level2 hebben mensen (waaronder ik) de weg AND_c getagd als boundary maar dit is helemaal geen grens, boven vlieland ging hij zelfs door de gemeente Vlieland. Maar de enige

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] QA admin_level=2

2008-10-21 Thread Roeland Douma
Dit lijkt me zeker niet vekeerd. Misschien handig om dit om meer dingen te te gaan passen. i.e. gemeente grenzen? Verder is het natuurlijk wachten totdat we de provincie data goed geimporteerd hebben dan kunnen we het meteen goed doe. --Roeland On Tuesday 21 October 2008 12:08:48 Milo van der

[OSM-talk-nl] Coördinatie subsidiegeld NLNet

2008-10-21 Thread Martijn van Exel
Ha talk-nl, Ik ben vanmiddag met Gert Gremmen bij NLNet geweest. Doel was tweeledig: * Bijpraten over de stand van zaken aangaande de €15.000 subsidie die zij ons hebben verleend voor de ontwikkeling van het OSM- softwareplatform. * Overdracht van de verantwoordelijkheid voor de coördinatie

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] QA admin_level=2

2008-10-21 Thread Cartinus
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:39:14 Skywave wrote: We zouden dit bestand kunnen importeren, maar dan zouden alle oude grenzen er weer uit moeten, want veel grenzen zijn beschadigd in de loop van tijd. +1 -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ Talk-nl mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Edits in and around Mt Barker, SA

2008-10-21 Thread Kim Hawtin
hi guys =) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim wrote: I've been busy uploading traces and mapping around Mt Barker and Littlehampton a bit lately. I have a couple of questions I was hoping folks could clear up; - Are the rail and road under passes right? I have set them as tunnels, because it

Re: [talk-au] Road numbers in Garmin

2008-10-21 Thread Liz
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Diego Molla wrote: [Some time ago I sent a similar email from a different email address and I think it never made it to the group] In a recent trip I was comparing Shonkymaps and OSM on my Garmin GPSr and I saw that Shonkymaps displays a floating icon with the road

Re: [talk-au] Edits in and around Mt Barker, SA

2008-10-21 Thread Liz
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . A normal suburban roundabout should just be a circle (I use 8 corners) with the 4 ways connected. Merkaartor has a roundabout tool where you click a crossing, select the diameter of the roundabout and it creates a circle with the ways cropped off

Re: [talk-au] Edits in and around Mt Barker, SA

2008-10-21 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Kim Hawtin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: - My edits seem to be taking around two weeks to hit the OSM normal map ... isn't this normally happening weekly? You can force an update to the Osmarender layer so you can see if your edits are OK. Updates generally

Re: [talk-au] Road numbers in Garmin

2008-10-21 Thread Ben Kelley
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Liz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NH20 particularly bothers me. Nowhere on the Sturt is there a current sign which says NH20. It's 20 or A20 according to the state boundaries. I'm sure others can point out great inconsistencies with other highways. Can we decide

Re: [talk-au] Road numbers in Garmin

2008-10-21 Thread Liz
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: sample of highway markers - Mildura http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.1939lon=142.1734zoom=12layers=B000 FTF sample of highway markers - Renmark http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.2052lon=140.7778zoom=12layers=B000 FTF sample of highway markers

Re: [talk-au] Edits in and around Mt Barker, SA

2008-10-21 Thread Darrin Smith
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:22:20 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at your B37 Alexandrina Flaxley Rd roundabout, you don't need oneway=yes(it's implied), clockwise(just draw it in a clockwise direction), ref(roundabout's don't inherit route numbers, it's for when roundabout's have

Re: [talk-au] Road numbers in Garmin

2008-10-21 Thread Liz
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Darrin Smith wrote: But not all sections of the road in one state have the same code (Sturt Highway being exactly the case in point, it is NOT National A20 for the last ~5km between Gepps Cross and Pooraka. I don't know about the case around Mildura so I can't comment

Re: [talk-au] Road numbers in Garmin

2008-10-21 Thread Liz
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Darrin Smith wrote: Of course, if it's a newer edit, especially if it's a change from the correct data, string 'em up that's what it is, because I did a lot of Hay in May Or was that made Hay in May? Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Road numbers in Garmin

2008-10-21 Thread Darrin Smith
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:03:42 +1100 Liz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Darrin Smith wrote: But not all sections of the road in one state have the same code (Sturt Highway being exactly the case in point, it is NOT National A20 for the last ~5km between Gepps Cross and

Re: [talk-au] Edits in and around Mt Barker, SA

2008-10-21 Thread Kim Hawtin
Darrin Smith wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:22:20 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at your B37 Alexandrina Flaxley Rd roundabout, you don't need oneway=yes(it's implied), clockwise(just draw it in a clockwise direction), ref(roundabout's don't inherit route numbers, it's for

Re: [talk-au] Edits in and around Mt Barker, SA

2008-10-21 Thread Darrin Smith
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:40:49 +1030 Kim Hawtin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darrin Smith wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:22:20 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at your B37 Alexandrina Flaxley Rd roundabout, you don't need oneway=yes(it's implied), clockwise(just draw it in a

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM-mapstyle Transparenz

2008-10-21 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:           (edit)       [EMAIL PROTECTED]           [1011]         10/01/08 23:07:02       ce modified a lot of icons, mainly transparent backgrounds, but also changed pixels for improved readability. To achieve that, I

[Talk-de] is_in ist tot? (Re: is_in validation)

2008-10-21 Thread Sven Anders
Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2008 22:35 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: ich dachte, is_in ist tot, d.h. sollte nicht mehr verwendet werden, da redundante Daten, und die Probleme, für die es gedacht ist, kann man anscheinend besser mit Grenzpolygonen lösen... Ich denke: Tot gesagte leben länger. Es wäre

Re: [Talk-de] is_in ist tot? (Re: is_in validation)

2008-10-21 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:44:04AM +0200, Sven Anders wrote: Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2008 22:35 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: ich dachte, is_in ist tot, d.h. sollte nicht mehr verwendet werden, da redundante Daten, und die Probleme, für die es gedacht ist, kann man anscheinend besser mit

Re: [Talk-de] Straßen als Flächen

2008-10-21 Thread Birgit Nietsch
Tobias Wendorff schrieb: Marcus Wolschon schrieb: ich sehe bisher nicht, daß mehr als das width-Tag nötig sind um eine Straße als Fläche zu erfassen. Nunja, neben der Straße sind dann noch so Informationen, wie Bürgersteige etc. ... und Fahrspuren, und Barrieren entlang von Spuren. Zum

Re: [Talk-de] Mit Helge und dem Bodensee-Peter Afrika mappen

2008-10-21 Thread Alexander Menk
Hallo! Sven Geggus wrote: Mario Salvini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: als was würde man eigenltich die Slums eintragen? landuse=residential + highway=track/footway oder highway=residential, surface=unpaved Grüße, Alexander ___ Talk-de mailing

[Talk-de] Änderungen rückgängig machen

2008-10-21 Thread Lars Poeschel
Hallo! Mir ist aufgefallen, dass jemand die A14 in Sachsen, zwischen den Anschlussstellen Döbeln-Nord und Leisnig kaputt gemacht hat. Der Fehler ist hier deutlich zu sehen: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.1741lon=13.0601zoom=13layers=B000FTF Eine Fahrtrichtung verläuft ein Stück absolut

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Kokolakis
Garry schrieb: Wenn Du aber Flächen erfasst dann kannst Du niemals beide Strassenseiten gleichzeitig mit dem gleichen Empfänger unter gleichen Empfangsbedingungen aufzeichnen. Die Straße als way soll natürlich nicht gelöscht werden, und kann nach wie vor per GPS vermessen und fürs routing

Re: [Talk-de] link=yes

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Kokolakis
Dominik Spies schrieb: Grundsätzlich wäre link aber auch bei jeglich Ein- und Ausfahrten die sich gabeln sinnvoll, und dass kann auch mal bei einer normalen residential oder unclassified sein. find ich gut. Gruß Simon ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Änderungen rückgängig machen

2008-10-21 Thread Thomas Drebert
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Lars Poeschel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: 21.10.08 11:01:40 An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: [Talk-de] Änderungen rückgängig machen Hallo! Mir ist aufgefallen, dass jemand die A14 in Sachsen, zwischen den Anschlussstellen Döbeln-Nord und Leisnig

Re: [Talk-de] Änderungen rückgängig machen

2008-10-21 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Lars Poeschel schrieb: Hallo! Mir ist aufgefallen, dass jemand die A14 in Sachsen, zwischen den Anschlussstellen Döbeln-Nord und Leisnig kaputt gemacht hat. Der Fehler ist hier deutlich zu sehen: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.1741lon=13.0601zoom=13layers=B000FTF Eine Fahrtrichtung

Re: [Talk-de] Änderungen rückgängig machen

2008-10-21 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Thomas Drebert schrieb: -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Dirk-Lüder Kreie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: 21.10.08 11:23:58 An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Änderungen rückgängig machen Das kann jeder, und anscheinend hat es auch

Re: [Talk-de] Änderungen rückgängig machen

2008-10-21 Thread Thomas Drebert
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Dirk-Lüder Kreie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: 21.10.08 11:23:58 An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Änderungen rückgängig machen Das kann jeder, und anscheinend hat es auch schon jemand gemacht.

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-21 Thread Marcus Wolschon
Am 21. Oktober 2008 11:10 schrieb Simon Kokolakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Die Straße als way soll natürlich nicht gelöscht werden, und kann nach wie vor per GPS vermessen und fürs routing benutzt werden. Die Straßen fläche per GPS zu vermessen ist natürlich sehr ungenau, aber hierzu kann man ja

Re: [Talk-de] is_in ist tot? (Re: is_in validation)

2008-10-21 Thread Marcus Wolschon
Am 21. Oktober 2008 09:28 schrieb Florian Lohoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ich finde grenzpolygone noch schlechter als die bestehenden is_ins denn der rechenaufwand um herauszufinden wo ein element sich befindet ist um viele exponenten groesser bei sowas. Genau andersherum. Das durchsuchen der ganzen

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-21 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Tim Krüger schrieb: Aber du nimmst ja das Mittel an um die Mittellinie der Straße zu ziehen. Wie willst Du das Mittel bilden, wenn Du die Range gar nicht kennst? Außerdem weißt Du ja gar nicht, wo die Straßenmitte wirklich ist, weil Du nicht weißt, ob Dein GPS-Gerät x Meter nach links oder x

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-21 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Marcus Wolschon schrieb: Selbst wenn wir sie hätten, unsere Nutzer haben nichts auch nur im entferntesten so genaues wenn sie unsere Daten nutzen. Eure Nutzer oder die OSM-Community oder die Nutzer, die auf OSM-Daten zurückgreifen könn(t)en? ___

Re: [Talk-de] Straßen als Flächen

2008-10-21 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Birgit Nietsch schrieb: An sich ist das nichts kompliziertes, oder? Aber um das in Tags zu stecken muss man derzeit eine Menge recherchieren und hat dann immernoch offene Fragen: Das Absperrgitter? Die Busspuren einzeln zeichnen? Eine oder zwei? Die KFZ-Spuren links und rechts davon einzeln

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