Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Steve, SteveC wrote: Guys OSM isn't going PD... Who can say? OSM goes where the community wants it to. You were present at SOTM 07; do you remember the show of hands when people were asked what they think about PD? That the Foundation is investigating share-alike licenses and not PD is due

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:02:26PM -0700, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: From what I understand, under the new license, any dataset that we build in-house based on the geometry or tags of data in the transportation layer, which we choose to release to our client or other parties, would have to be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-22 Thread Kari Pihkala
I counted the votes for PD license so far. Sorry, if I have missed anyone!! Jordan S Hatcher: PDDL Joseph Gentle: Wikipedia PD / PDDL Nic Roets: Wikipedia PD Sebastian Spaeth: Wikipedia PD Rob Myers: CC Zero (Wikipedia PD) Gustav Foseid: CC Zero / Wikipedia PD According to this, Wikipedia style

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Joseph Gentle wrote: It seems to me like everyone wins. +1 to that entire message. cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You say 'everyone else is worse off' if they use a PD map. It seems like the bus company wins - they have more passengers. Privatising wealth is always a win for those who privatise it but this isn't really a reason for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I _do_ like the fact that people in OSM are starting to figure out why Potlatch is called Potlatch. I had assumed it was a kind of stew. ;-) - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Rob Myers wrote: Community projects should not serve as random acts of kindness or distributed potlatch for corporations and local government. They should serve the community. I _do_ like the fact that people in OSM are starting to figure out why Potlatch is called Potlatch.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread spaetz
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 09:01:25AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Guys OSM isn't going PD... Who can say? OSM goes where the community wants it to. You were present at SOTM 07; do you remember the show of hands when people were asked what they think about PD? It was pretty much 50:50,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Brian Quinion
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:27 AM, bvh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually no, your bus company is just going to take PD-OSM data and is going to bring out a map with its bus routes. And its competitor is going to do the same. And no one will have the ability to take both maps and bring out one

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-22 Thread Joseph Gentle
I'm happy with that. Thankyou :) -J On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Kari Pihkala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I counted the votes for PD license so far. Sorry, if I have missed anyone!! Jordan S Hatcher: PDDL Joseph Gentle: Wikipedia PD / PDDL Nic Roets: Wikipedia PD Sebastian Spaeth:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: If you think Apple wouldn't do that just look at webkit. I am quite convinced that had that one been pd they would just have forked it and never looked back... Actually, WebKit - which is licensed LGPL and BSD, _not_ GPL - is a good example of how liberal licences can work. See:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:43:17AM +0200, bvh wrote: That is not true. As long as you base your work solely on your own data, you are free to do with it as you seek. Even after having uploaded it under the proposed license. (Not taking into account how the licence sees it at all.) Not really,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 07:36:08AM -0700, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: Richard wrote: One thing I really love about OSM is the pragmatic, un-political approach: You don't give us your data, fine, then we create our own and you can shove it. (I don’t see Richard’s original email, so I’ll reply

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Simon Ward
I’m just going to pick up on one generalisation, and not really contribute that much to the actual topic, excuse me: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:25:09PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: … Almost as if to reinforce it, they capitalise the F in freedom; I don’t capitalise “free software”, or

[OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-10-22 Thread SteveC
All I've received back general comments from Wilson Sonsini (http://www.wsgr.com/WSGR/Index.aspx ) on the latest draft. My next task is to review those comments and feed them back to this list, review the use cases on the wiki and feed those to Wilson Sonsini and probably take a call or

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread vegard
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:11:21AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: If I put my mind to it, I could easily muster enough OSMers I know personally to turn over the highway=gate vote next month, just for the fun of it. That should demonstrate to you how little weight the process carries. So

Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] ewmsplugin on win32

2008-10-22 Thread Gert Gremmen
I have exactly the same results but only a 62 kB file and I used another website of course. No errors, redirection seems to work. The file created contains a lot of random data, not only 00 or something regular. I suppose it actually creates the right image but in some wrong png format (for

Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] ewmsplugin on win32

2008-10-22 Thread Gert Gremmen
Ignore the previous message. It was meant for Josm-dev list. Selected the wrong talk Apologies for the mistake Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Chris Jones
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Grant Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukasz Szybalski wrote: Hello, I am trying to use the turbogears widget for openlayers and I'm having hard time figuring out how to point to openstreetmaps.org tiles. One of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liz wrote: I don't want PD for my data because then I can see the company like Garmin freely using it to update their maps and still charging me for my data. But this is what I never get when people wheel out the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Liz wrote: I don't want PD for my data because then I can see the company like Garmin freely using it to update their maps and still charging me for my data. But this is what I never get when people wheel out the old canard of the tragedy of the commons. These days, the commons is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Rob Myers wrote: I had assumed it was a kind of stew. ;-) Many a true word... cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread spaetz
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 09:01:25AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Guys OSM isn't going PD... Who can say? OSM goes where the community wants it to. You were present at SOTM 07; do you remember the show of hands when people were asked what they think about PD? It was pretty much 50:50,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Jukka Rahkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be annoying to contribute first to PD and then separately to OpenStreetMap-share alike, but I am not astonished if that will be the only way to support both PD and OSM. It is a pity that I do not have local

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-22 Thread Nick Hocking
Hi, I think that it's critical that work done by users up to now is not erased or corrupted by a bulk upload of data. Therefore the new Tiger data should not relpace users data nor should it be placed on top of, underneath, or intertwined with the current users data. Ideally, if a tile has been

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:49:18PM +1100, Joseph Gentle wrote: You say 'everyone else is worse off' if they use a PD map. It seems like the bus company wins - they have more passengers. The passengers win - they can learn about the busses more easily. The environment wins (less cars on the

Re: [OSM-talk] APIs down?

2008-10-22 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Milenko schrieb: All of my clients are currently failing to download data from any of the APIs. Are they really down, or do I have some other problem? Main API reports a 500 Internal Server Error, ROMA gives a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable, and XAPI gives 501 Internal Server Error.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: If garmin closes their devices for non-garmin signed datasets (ala TomTom) then you could very well end up paying for the privilege to use your own data. Sure, but that's an utterly different issue - that's an issue about whether or not Garmin allows third-party maps to be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:47:00PM +1200, Joseph Gentle wrote: So share-alike itself actually ain't that helpful if the person doesn't really want to contribute back. But if you use community pressure, rather than trying to get medieval on their licensing ass, you can get a great result

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:00 PM, bvh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple I think we have heard enough of what Apple have done, might have done, probably would have done and have not done for a while. Could we again start focusing on a license for the OSM database? - Gustav

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bvh wrote: Note that there is no pd-violations.org /me blinks in astonishment /me decides there really is nothing more he can bring to this party Gustav was right. Let's talk OSM. cheers Richard But but...

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:18:24AM +1200, Joseph Gentle wrote: I understand this, and I find it a step backwards. But that's probably just me. Perhaps linux could require that all applications that made system calls were GPL licensed too. Surely that would increase GPL adoption; and thus

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread spaetz
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:26:20PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: bvh wrote: If garmin closes their devices for non-garmin signed datasets (ala TomTom) then you could very well end up paying for the privilege to use your own data. Sure, but that's an utterly different issue - that's

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:31:54PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Good luck steaming up community pressure for Apple opening up on stuff that they have taken from the PD. It is not going to happen. http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.5.5/ Most software on that list, sir, is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, none of us are ever going to agree on any of this. :) We agree on that. :-) - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bvh wrote: My ideal license would force them to divulge their private GIS data on signal strength Oh right. I just want to make a map. :D -J cheers Richard ___

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Grant Slater
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: So its safe to assume that TMS is what mapnik provides? (only) and if I want WMS I would have to create that service on my server? Your server yes. OSM's tile servers do TMS only. Mapnik WMS support. http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/OgcServer / Grant

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: My ideal license would force them to divulge their private GIS data on signal strength Oh right. I just want to make a map. cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukasz Szybalski wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Grant Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukasz Szybalski wrote: Hello, I am trying to use the turbogears widget for openlayers and I'm having hard time figuring

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, We have no mechanism to divide good from bad ideas. If you start putting your ideas about what you think is good and should be used on Map Features, then I will start putting mine on there as well, and everyone else.

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, vegard wrote: Is it really so important for the map to look the same in Chile and in China? Well. You have to remember that rendering is not all, Ok, then: Is it really so important for routing software to work

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-22 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I'm happy with wikipedia PD as well. The Sunburned Surveyor On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm happy with that. Thankyou :) -J On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Kari Pihkala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I counted the votes for PD license so far. Sorry,

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Ed Loach
Lucas wrote: So now what is the layer name for this url? I know the image is png: http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/tms.html I replaced the url with http://tile.openstreetmap.org/; what is the layer_name? Is this url working for you? What options you have selected? What you're

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Joseph wrote: Option 0: The OSM database has an added 'license' tag and the map can be viewed and edited through a PD filter. A second set of map tiles will need to be rendered. Any data edited in PD mode will (by default) have a PD tag applied. Stuff like TIGER can be thrown directly into the

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realise now that one of those two examples uses an offline tile source - it's interesting to see how much the area around here has changed, but not much use for you. Hopefully this one is more use?

Re: [OSM-talk] Broken Coastline?

2008-10-22 Thread Tristan Scott
I changed the direction of cockshoot broad (it was indeed spun backwards) but couldn't fin anything wrong with the coastline - possibly someone had already fixed it, possibly a bad tile temporarily? anyway, seems ok now. Thanks, all! Tristan 2008/10/22 Rob Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tristan Scott

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 22 October 2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, vegard wrote: Is it really so important for the map to look the same in Chile and in China? Of course not, green trunk roads and blue motorways don't make a lot of sense in 99% of the world. It makes

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Nico Mandery
Lukasz Szybalski schrieb: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realise now that one of those two examples uses an offline tile source - it's interesting to see how much the area around here has changed, but not much use for you. Hopefully this one is more

Re: [OSM-talk] Yet another street number scheme

2008-10-22 Thread Rory McCann
On 16/10/08 18:26, Karl Newman wrote: There is nothing to associate the node to the street other than MAYBE the name, which is pretty poor for a relational data model. It could be misspelled or linked to the wrong street with a similar name or even just the wrong section of the street.

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I for one don't vote very much, but do care about due process and the results. I will follow the tagging advice that has been voted for, because I know that several people have thought about the issues and more of them thought one option was

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Hughes
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: ok so I kind of got this url working: http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/tms.html url:http://tile.openstreetmap.org/ image:png layer_name: .. (two dots because 1.0.0 gets added to the url http://tile.openstreetmap.org/1.0.0/...) I've been told that

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
ok so I kind of got this url working: http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/tms.html url:http://tile.openstreetmap.org/ image:png layer_name: .. (two dots because 1.0.0 gets added to the url http://tile.openstreetmap.org/1.0.0/...) I've been told that mapnik/openstreetmap.org uses flipped TMS

[OSM-talk] Introducing CloudMade mapping ambassadors

2008-10-22 Thread SteveC
Hi CloudMade feels that helping the US community grow would be a good thing and to that end we've been hiring, for want of a better term, mapping ambassadors. These full-time employees will be doing things like running mapping parties, speaking at events, doing webinars and anything else

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukasz Szybalski wrote: ok so I kind of got this url working: http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/tms.html url:http://tile.openstreetmap.org/ image:png layer_name: .. (two dots because 1.0.0 gets added to the url

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course not, green trunk roads and blue motorways don't make a lot of sense in 99% of the world. It makes sense in the UK, where this project happens to have started, so now that it became a true worldwide project, why can't we give other countries

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Ed Loach
How does a UK printed map of France look like? It probably depends on the publisher. I have to hand a 2001 Europe Road Atlas, printed in the UK by Collins. This doesn't distinguish between primary and trunk roads in the UK (all are red) and Motorways are green with two narrow yellow lines down

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Hughes
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mapnik is just a rendering engine - where you put the tiles that it generates and how your web server maps URLs to those tiles is nothing to do with mapnik. Our mapnik tile server uses mod_tile to

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd much rather have the discussion here on the list (or on a dedicated list). If a consensus has been reached Map Features can be updated. I don't think there is a need for a formal voting process (especially if it is

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukasz Szybalski wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mapnik is just a rendering engine - where you put the tiles that it generates and how your web server maps URLs to those tiles

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
Pieren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd much rather have the discussion here on the list (or on a dedicated list). If a consensus has been reached Map Features can be updated. I don't think there is a need for a formal

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Hughes
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukasz Szybalski wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mapnik is just a rendering engine - where you put the tiles that it generates and how your web server

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukasz Szybalski wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukasz Szybalski wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mapnik is just a rendering

[OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread David Earl
I came across a contraflow bus lane yesterday. If it were a contraflow cycle lane I'd mark the road cycleway=lane_opposite. has anyone had occasion to do the equivalent for for buses? There's nothing in Map_features to guide me. (Actually come to think it it, there is nothing to allow me to

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
I also have one in the centre of Sutton Coldfield. Think when I mapped it (ages and ages ago) I made it two separate ways which obviously isn't right. So interested to hear what people think. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Hughes
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: I'm not really sure what you mean in above. I'm not that knowledgeable yet in technical details of map layers you use at openstreetmap.org. Right now I just want to display the openstreetmap.org tiles on my map and be able to zoom in etc then Here is what I

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I came across a contraflow bus lane yesterday. If it were a contraflow cycle lane I'd mark the road cycleway=lane_opposite. has anyone had occasion to do the equivalent for for buses? There's nothing in Map_features to guide me. (Actually come to think

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usually psv for public service vehicle is used for access restrictions. I missed that. It would have been too easy to call a bus bus, I guess ;-) Should we rename bus_stop to psv_stop? Matthias ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread David Earl
On 22/10/2008 19:04, Shaun McDonald wrote: On 22 Oct 2008, at 18:57, Matthias Julius wrote: David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I came across a contraflow bus lane yesterday. If it were a contraflow cycle lane I'd mark the road cycleway=lane_opposite. has anyone had occasion to do the

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
I know nothing about Turbo Gears, but if you can give an example of a Turbo Gears page that uses OL we can probably show you how to modify it to display an OSM layer. Right now I need to know how can I configure openlayers to use tile.openstreetmap.org or how to configure mapnik to render

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:21 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/10/2008 19:04, Shaun McDonald wrote: On 22 Oct 2008, at 18:57, Matthias Julius wrote: David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I came across a contraflow bus lane yesterday. If it were a contraflow cycle lane I'd mark

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:36 PM, bvh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To bring the discussion back to maps : imagine a GSM provider that wants to show coverage on a map. They export their private GIS data of signal strength and merge it with OSM, create a low resolution image of the resulting map and

[OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Matias D'Ambrosio
What is the opposite of a turn restriction? I can't find it and no one answers on IRC. Turning left is forbidden everywhere in my country on two way roads when there is no specific traffic light for it, and I assume it's the same in many other countries. Without a turning left allowed

Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style

2008-10-22 Thread Simon Hewison
Patrick Weber wrote: Hi Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes have been applied, which has considerably changed the look of the Mapnik Layer. I wondered if there is a summary of changes

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Hughes
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: I know nothing about Turbo Gears, but if you can give an example of a Turbo Gears page that uses OL we can probably show you how to modify it to display an OSM layer. Right now I need to know how can I configure openlayers to use tile.openstreetmap.org or how to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regar ding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Liz
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, spaetz wrote: In the same vain I can chose to not buy microwaves that prevent me from cooking spcific food. If garmin closes their devices to only allow propriatary stuff buy from a competitor. Heck, little eee PCs are more flexible and in the same price range as some of

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Matias D'Ambrosio wrote: Sent: 22 October 2008 8:21 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances? What is the opposite of a turn restriction? I can't find it and no one answers on IRC. Turning left is forbidden everywhere in my country on two way roads when

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:54:50PM +0200, Gustav Foseid wrote: So, given your ideal license: I decide to make a pub crawl and making a mashup showing the pubs I visited and my rating of them.To make sure that I placed the pubs at the right place I had a GPS in my pocket, and had gpx trace of

[OSM-talk] Support OSM via our retailpartners

2008-10-22 Thread Henk Hoff
As you all know, OSM depends on donations to keep us alive and kicking. One way of supporting the Foundation is by buying from our retail partners, who in return will donate a portion of the purchase to us. Many of you are already doing this for which we are very grateful. I would like to

Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style

2008-10-22 Thread Jon Burgess
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 20:26 +0100, Simon Hewison wrote: Patrick Weber wrote: Hi Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes have been applied, which has considerably changed the look of the Mapnik

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
You've been pointed at a web page that tells you how to do that. Please go and read it. So I've looked at the source code for the tw.openlayers which should correspond to openlayers java script file. http://toscawidgets.org/hg/tw.openlayers/file/387a2f19c67a/tw/openlayers/layer.py from layer

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Matias D'Ambrosio
On Wednesday 22 October 2008 18:06:10 you wrote: Matias D'Ambrosio wrote: Sent: 22 October 2008 8:21 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances? What is the opposite of a turn restriction? I can't find it and no one answers on IRC. Turning left is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Ryszard Mikke
Errr... Let's get back to our bus company? Of course they CAN use PD data from OSM, add their layer and publish it, not sharing their data... but that will cost them. Any change in the PD data requires repeating their work for them to be up to date. Whereas just putting their bus stops into OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Ryszard Mikke
Hey, didn't you think about the server's capacity and so on? detailed GIS data from every GSM company, huh? And from every network provider and so on? Where will you store it and for whom? It seems for me that storing rather huge amount of data for a very limited group of people is not exactly

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 22 Oct 2008, at 21:38, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: You've been pointed at a web page that tells you how to do that. Please go and read it. So I've looked at the source code for the tw.openlayers which should correspond to openlayers java script file.

Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style

2008-10-22 Thread Jon Burgess
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 21:28 +0100, Jon Burgess wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 20:26 +0100, Simon Hewison wrote: Patrick Weber wrote: Hi Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes have been

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Oct 2008, at 21:38, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: You've been pointed at a web page that tells you how to do that. Please go and read it. So I've looked at the source code for the tw.openlayers which should

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Lukasz Szybalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Oct 2008, at 21:38, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: You've been pointed at a web page that tells you how to do that. Please go and read it.

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Stephen Hope
We have a similar thing here in Queensland, Australia. You can't do a U-turn at any traffic lights unless there is a sign specifically saying that you can. I think this is the same across the whole country, but I'd have to check. There are no signs saying you can't at the other lights, you're

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Stephen Hope
Not all PSV's are buses. 2008/10/23 Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usually psv for public service vehicle is used for access restrictions. I missed that. It would have been too easy to call a bus bus, I guess ;-) Should we rename bus_stop to

[OSM-talk] IEEE paper on OSM

2008-10-22 Thread SteveC
I didn't see anyone post this so http://povesham.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/openstreetmap-user-generated-street-maps-ieee-pervasive-computing-paper/ with the usual choice quotes :-O Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] data correctie

2008-10-22 Thread Rob
de topo/data debug kaart is weer bijgewerkt - city = rood blokje (er missen nog altijd enkele steden) - village = grijs blokje - hamlet = grijs ruitje - town = puntje verder zijn er de boundary=administrative, admin_level=2 4 6 8 op weergegeven als overlay

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] data correctie

2008-10-22 Thread Roeland Douma
Goed om het weer eens onder de aandacht te brengen. Nu valt me pas weer op dat iemand al mijn werk in NH weer heeft zitten verandern (kortom al mijn city changes terug naar town). Vanavond maar even mooi bericht daaraan sturen. Maar misshcien dat het ook tijd wordt om dan nu toch eens met een

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] data correctie

2008-10-22 Thread Lennard
Roeland Douma wrote: Nu valt me pas weer op dat iemand al mijn werk in NH weer heeft zitten verandern (kortom al mijn city changes terug naar town). Iemand die strict de definitie in de Nl:Map Features volgt? Vanavond maar even mooi bericht daaraan sturen. Maar misshcien dat het ook tijd

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] data correctie

2008-10-22 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Roeland Douma wrote: Nu valt me pas weer op dat iemand al mijn werk in NH weer heeft zitten verandern (kortom al mijn city changes terug naar town). Iemand die strict de definitie in de Nl:Map Features volgt? Dat doe ik ook, soms rond ik wel naar boven af maar wat zijn dan de andere

[OSM-talk-nl] Beginner...

2008-10-22 Thread Dirk Janssens
Hallo, Zoals het onderwerp zegt: ik ben een beginner Ik ben op zoek naar informatie over hoe de kaarten te gebruiken zijn om real-time GPS-informatie te tonen. Ik heb al heel wat voorbeelden bekeken, en flink gegoogled, maar loop een beetje vast. Wat ik wil, is bijvoorbeeld een paar

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] QA admin_level=2

2008-10-22 Thread Skywave
Hier is bestand zoals ik het dan zou uploaden: http://skywave0.googlepages.com/osmborders.zip . Als niemand er bezwaar tegen heeft dacht ik er over om voor de volgende planet dump de import te beginnen. -- Thomas ___ Talk-nl mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] data correctie

2008-10-22 Thread Rob
kunnen we meteen even Capital meenemen als we toch bezig zijn ;) stel je wilt een topo kaart maken en je wilt de provincie hoofdsteden weergeven, of de hoofdstad van een land er is al een proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/capital maar er is volgens mij nog geen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Beginner...

2008-10-22 Thread Dirk Janssens
Hallo Rob, als je meer verteld over je omgeving.. webbased ? openlayers ? Ik dacht het te doen met OpenLayers. Dus een simpele html-pagina met wat javascript er in. Met name het verversen van de layers op basis van een tekst-bestand lukt me niet goed. De documantatie van de OpenLayers API is

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Beginner...

2008-10-22 Thread Rob
zo doe je normaal het centrum van de map zetten in openlayers var pos; var zoomlevel; pos = new OpenLayers.LonLat(5.0 , 51.0); zoomlevel = 8; map.setCenter(pos.transform(map.displayProjection,map.projection), zoomlevel); Op 22 oktober 2008 13:27 schreef Dirk Janssens [EMAIL PROTECTED] het

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Beginner...

2008-10-22 Thread Rob
volgens mij kom je nu op een terrein waar nog weinigen zijn geweest ;) misschien iets met layer.loadText proberen ? ik ken verder geen voorbeelden waar data in een overlay om de zoveel seconden wordt geupdate.. maar wel een leuk project ! ze hebben het op de duitse talk wel over zoiets, waar ze

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