[OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-11-24 Thread SteveC
All Our lawyer has had a chat with Jordan (the original author of the ODbL). I spoke with Jordan this morning and he has a list of suggested changes with explanations from our lawyer which he is reviewing. I expect and hope this stage to be a simple review process before taking the next

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:21:44PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Another thing one could to if public messaging does not find favour is posting a caveat immediately over the write message text area, something along the lines of if you're about to criticize someone whom you don't know, think

Re: [OSM-talk] how to start/stop gpx tracking in OSMTracker

2008-11-24 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Kenneth Gonsalves schrieb: hi, how does one start/stop tracking in OSMTracker In the released version it tracks as soon as a GPS is connected. -- Dirk-Lüder Deelkar Kreie Bremen - 53.0952°N 8.8652°E signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Hughes
Simon Ward wrote: There could always be a gentle reminder when reading messages that: * There’s a wiki; * there are several mailing lists (with links, of course) where you can check and discuss things. You may also want to have “report offensive message” (though that seems a bit

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: I know this because the absolutely vast, exceedingly non gentle, four language reminder about using the web site to reply rather than email is ignored by large numbers of people every day. That's a very clear sign that we did something wrong by implementing half of

[OSM-talk] Rendering barangays for the Philippines

2008-11-24 Thread maning sambale
Hi, We are having a discussion in talk-ph on tagging barangays: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2008-November/000129.html The old practice was to tag barangay as place=village. By definition from the Map Features: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Places The tag

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering barangays for the Philippines

2008-11-24 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Rendering barangays for the Philippines Hi, We are having a discussion in talk-ph on tagging barangays:

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi all, As of revison 12060 maplint supports noname=yes for residential roads and POIs as well as validate:empty-tag-value validate:bridge-or-tunnel-without-layer validate:motorway-without-ref validate:place-of-worship-without-religion validate:poi-without-name

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread sylvain letuffe
As of revison 12060 maplint supports (...) to disable specific tests. If other variants (like unnamed=yes) or other namespaces for annotations (like the internal namespace) show up prominently enough I'll update maplint again to support those tags too. I think, we, as validation tools

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Erik Johansson
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd like to ask for a quick show of hands on the idea of making the whole built-in OSM messaging system public (not retroactively of course, but change it so that anyone can ready any message written in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * When a person signs up to OSM, ask him a few multiple choice questions to make sure he has the mastered the basics. I think the barrier for entry for OSM is already too high, just signing up probably deters a lot of useful

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering barangays for the Philippines

2008-11-24 Thread Erik Johansson
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course the correct way would be to tag them as place=barangay and we will do so from now on. Can we request the renderers to render them the same as place=village? Or any other ideas? Yes, keep tagging them as

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * When a person signs up to OSM, ask him a few multiple choice questions to make sure he has the mastered the basics. I think the barrier

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi, to disable specific tests. If other variants (like unnamed=yes) or other namespaces for annotations (like the internal namespace) show up prominently enough I'll update maplint again to support those tags too. I think, we, as validation tools developpers/maintainer, have a

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering barangays for the Philippines

2008-11-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/11/2008 14:46, Erik Johansson wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course the correct way would be to tag them as place=barangay and we will do so from now on. Can we request the renderers to render them the same as place=village? Or any

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Pieren
I don't understand the direction of this thread. Frederik is talking about old users protecting their area agains newcomers, not about new users making possible mistakes. This happens through intimidation through the private messaging system. I'm also against making everything public. As already

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread SteveC
Um it sounds like we need a system to report abuse rather than just making it public? On 23 Nov 2008, at 13:21, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I'd like to ask for a quick show of hands on the idea of making the whole built-in OSM messaging system public (not retroactively of course,

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/11/2008 15:41, SteveC wrote: Um it sounds like we need a system to report abuse rather than just making it public? +1 If someone is being intimidated in private, how much more intimidating would it be if done in public. David ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/11/2008 08:38, Tom Hughes wrote: There could always be a gentle reminder when reading messages that: * There’s a wiki; * there are several mailing lists I can tell you right now that a gentle reminder will have very little effect. I know this because the absolutely vast,

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Hughes
David Earl wrote: If you send a message out from the website send-a-message with a random token in it somewhere (e.g. reply-to: token@privatemail.openstreetmap.com, or subject: bla bla [token], or in the message-id, so you can see any reply is a reply to a web-site originated message,

[OSM-talk] Stupid newb question - undeleting a way

2008-11-24 Thread Ben Supnik
Hi Y'all, In a state of sleep-deprived foolishness, I deleted a way (one half of the Baltimore Washington Barkway just outside the Beltway near Washington DC)...is there any way to undelete a way once the potlatch change has been committed? Or should I just attempt to rebuild the way?

Re: [OSM-talk] Stupid newb question - undeleting a way

2008-11-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/11/2008 16:14, Ben Supnik wrote: Hi Y'all, In a state of sleep-deprived foolishness, I deleted a way (one half of the Baltimore Washington Barkway That would be dog=yes? just outside the Beltway near Washington DC)...is there any way to undelete a way once the potlatch change

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
I would like the see the messaging system open to the API, so that, for example, you can directly message someone via an editor or something about a particular map element. So mapping queries / advice would be public, and accessible from multiple areas. This would be be best suited to a public

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread sylvain letuffe
For instance, the fact that maplint supports noname=yes and the validation: namespace and maybe one day the internal: namespace I've proposed is bad. noname and validate are not really the same thing. noname say that something does not have a name. The validate namespace is a lot more

[OSM-talk] Namefinder translations

2008-11-24 Thread David Earl
I need your help please... (Thank you to those of you who have started already before I'd even finished preparing the page!) While the name finder search currently does quite a good job of handling nuances of names in different languages, it can't currently find categories of things in

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Matthias Julius
Patrick Kilian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: noname and validate are not really the same thing. noname say that something does not have a name. The validate namespace is a lot more universal in its goal. It aims to create a namespace for the selective disabling of all possible valiation tests.

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi, noname and validate are not really the same thing. noname say that something does not have a name. The validate namespace is a lot more universal in its goal. Exact, but I was making a comparisson between * higwhay=residential * noname=yes and * higwhay=residential *

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi, Patrick Kilian wrote: validate:empty-tag-key validate:empty-tag-value validate:untagged-way validate:bridge-or-tunnel-without-layer validate:deprecated-tags validate:motorway-without-ref validate:place-of-worship-without-religion validate:poi-without-name

Re: [OSM-talk] Namefinder translations

2008-11-24 Thread Pieren
Great ! Just one question : do we have to ignore accents ? In french, you write pres, pres de for near. But the correct syntax is près, près de. Or do we have to write all possibilities pres, pres de, près, près de ? Pieren On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:12 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Matthias Julius
DavidD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2008/11/22 Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Whatever the syntax is you won't know why someone chose not to include a name tag. The here discussed proposal is only about telling the validator not to complain about the missing tag. It is up to the mapper

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, DavidD wrote: I don't really see why this is needed. Wouldn't it be a lot better to have a tag for when a street has no visible name sign? Then I and other mappers know what is going on and there is no risk of someone with local knowledge thing the street is already named. The idea is

Re: [OSM-talk] Namefinder translations

2008-11-24 Thread sylvain letuffe
On Monday 24 November 2008 20:01, Pieren wrote: But the correct syntax is près, près de. Or do we have to write all possibilities pres, pres de, près, près de ? Oops, I allready corrected some, and added some with accentuated caracters -- Sylvain Letuffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] qui suis-je :

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Matthias Julius
Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: I know this because the absolutely vast, exceedingly non gentle, four language reminder about using the web site to reply rather than email is ignored by large numbers of people every day. That's a very clear sign that we

Re: [OSM-talk] Namefinder translations

2008-11-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 24 November 2008, David Earl wrote: I'm also reconsidering adding in as well as near (and comma) as the separator. The problem is that there are a couple of place names in England which have In in their names - Henley-In-Arden for example. (A second problem is that since it works

Re: [OSM-talk] Namefinder translations

2008-11-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/11/2008 19:32, Ben Laenen wrote: On Monday 24 November 2008, David Earl wrote: I'm also reconsidering adding in as well as near (and comma) as the separator. The problem is that there are a couple of place names in England which have In in their names - Henley-In-Arden for example. (A

Re: [OSM-talk] Namefinder translations

2008-11-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/11/2008 19:01, Pieren wrote: Great ! Just one question : do we have to ignore accents ? In french, you write pres, pres de for near. But the correct syntax is près, près de. Or do we have to write all possibilities pres, pres de, près, près de ? *With* the accents, only, please (the

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread sylvain letuffe
Are there other applications that care whether something really does not have a name or whether the name is just not know? Yes, I see one. Someone might argue I am not of good faith, but anyway there it is : Suppose I'm working for a local urban institution and they ask me to replace any

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a very clear sign that we did something wrong by implementing half of an email system ;-) maybe we should drop that kind of user messaging and just configure a mailer to forward [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the appropriate

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Matt Amos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a very clear sign that we did something wrong by implementing half of an email system ;-) maybe we should drop that kind of user messaging and just

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread sylvain letuffe
From my point of view internal=noname and noname=yes both tell me that the street has no name. validate:residential-without-name=ignore tell's the validator not to highlight the fact that there is no name. Then we have the same definition. But I want a _consistent_ way to do that for _all_

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi, From my point of view internal=noname and noname=yes both tell me that the street has no name. validate:residential-without-name=ignore tell's the validator not to highlight the fact that there is no name. Then we have the same definition. Good. But I want a _consistent_ way to do that

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread sylvain letuffe
If my solution isn't good it's not going to be used... I fear it's not true, at first because it is not not good ended it is, and answers a need, I would say, it is not as good as it could be. ( sure, no tag will ever be) And then because if people have nothing better, they will use it

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Matthias Julius
sylvain letuffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are there other applications that care whether something really does not have a name or whether the name is just not know? Yes, I see one. Someone might argue I am not of good faith, but anyway there it is : Suppose I'm working for a local urban

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Matthias Julius
Patrick Kilian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Patrick Kilian wrote: validate:empty-tag-key validate:empty-tag-value validate:untagged-way validate:bridge-or-tunnel-without-layer validate:deprecated-tags validate:motorway-without-ref validate:place-of-worship-without-religion

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 07:41:41AM -0800, SteveC wrote: Um it sounds like we need a system to report abuse rather than just making it public? I'm with that, and mentioned it already. Who should get sent abuse reports? Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Simon Ward wrote: Um it sounds like we need a system to report abuse rather than just making it public? I'm with that, and mentioned it already. Who should get sent abuse reports? We could create a mailing list where these are simply dumped, and anyone who cares to work on these

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Hugh Barnes
On 06:15:03, Matt Amos did write: i'm in favour of removing this functionality entirely. and the user diaries too. there are open, well-written and (relatively) bug-free versions of these sorts of software which we should integrate instead. we could move the diaries to wordpress blogs and

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering barangays for the Philippines

2008-11-24 Thread Erik Johansson
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:11 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better editor (or API) support for different languages is surely a better way to go. If everyone here are native english speakers or speaks relatively fluently, and they all take the pragmatic route of using UK centric tagging

[OSM-talk] [RFC voting all in one] Internal quality

2008-11-24 Thread sylvain letuffe
Here is a new proposal to help (great!) validators tools to help enlight problems in the OSM DB It also give, in itself, some information on the quality of the internal osm data two validators are expecting to use it soon : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maplint and

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread sylvain letuffe
no problems ! I'll copy my end page on the validate: namespace in the talk list if you allow me to. Sure. Go ahead. I was not kidding, there it is, in just one hour. I'am moving to support it in my renderer, you can do it on your side. As ever with osm, support what you want, but

[OSM-talk] Tiny island coastline errors

2008-11-24 Thread Cartinus
A while ago (last spring?) the coastline error checker displayed an error for the coastlines of very small islands where there was actually nothing wrong with the coastline. I thought this bug in the coastline error checker was fixed then, because the Great Lakes area has once been completely

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering barangays for the Philippines

2008-11-24 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:11 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better editor (or API) support for different languages is surely a better way to go. If everyone here are native english speakers or speaks relatively

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering barangays for the Philippines

2008-11-24 Thread maning sambale
Just to summarise a bit: 2 major points: 1. If its a barangay then tag them as such, place=barangay 2. Well it is the same as a village, then tag them as place:village and, add a page in the wiki explaining that the village tag represents barangay in the Philippines There's also a suggestion in

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi, If you can spend the time to find good names for the individual option (and merge say residential-without-name and poi-without-name to noname) and do all the stuff in the wiki, I'm certainly not opposed to change the naming in maplint. If we can reach consensus in this way and have tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

2008-11-24 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi, I prefer the second because it makes a street having no name and having no sign with a name impossible. ( If find them exclusives, since if there is no name, there can't be a name sign, or else there is an error) But if some people thing it should be possible, then I'll propose the

[OSM-talk-nl] amenity=college

2008-11-24 Thread Freek
Ik bladerde net door Name_finder:Translations heen op de wiki, en zag daar College (amenity=college) tertiary education, not university college staan en vroeg me af hoe dat te vertalen. De omschrijving op Tag:amenity=college: This complements 'amenity=university', approved earlier. This was not

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] amenity=college

2008-11-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 24 November 2008, Freek wrote: Ik bladerde net door Name_finder:Translations heen op de wiki, en zag daar College (amenity=college) tertiary education, not university college staan en vroeg me af hoe dat te vertalen. Te laat, want ik heb alles al naar het Nederlands vertaald :-) (*)

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] amenity=college

2008-11-24 Thread Freek
On Monday 24 November 2008, you wrote: On Monday 24 November 2008, Freek wrote: Ik bladerde net door Name_finder:Translations heen op de wiki, en zag daar College (amenity=college) tertiary education, not university college staan en vroeg me af hoe dat te vertalen. Te laat, want ik heb

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] amenity=college

2008-11-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 24 November 2008, Freek wrote: Blijkbaar is MBO in Vlaanderen technisch secundair onderwijs (TSO) [1] (voornamelijk derde graad) TSO is wel voor het gehele secundair, niet enkel de derde graad. en valt dit ook onder de term college in het Engels, maar niet onder de term hogeschool

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] amenity=college

2008-11-24 Thread Freek
On Monday 24 November 2008, Ben Laenen wrote: On Monday 24 November 2008, Freek wrote: Blijkbaar is MBO in Vlaanderen technisch secundair onderwijs (TSO) [1] (voornamelijk derde graad) TSO is wel voor het gehele secundair, niet enkel de derde graad. Daarom noemde ik het expliciet, MBO in

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] amenity=college

2008-11-24 Thread Roeland Douma
Misschien is het sowieso een idee om een extra tag toe te voegen. Waarmee we aan kunnen geven of iets een MBO/HBO/... is, middelbare school (VMBO/HAVO/VWO/) Altijd weer leuk voor thema kaartjes. --Roeland On Monday 24 November 2008 21:52:53 Freek wrote: On Monday 24 November 2008, Ben

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] amenity=college

2008-11-24 Thread Freek
On Monday 24 November 2008, Roeland Douma wrote: Misschien is het sowieso een idee om een extra tag toe te voegen. Waarmee we aan kunnen geven of iets een MBO/HBO/... is, middelbare school (VMBO/HAVO/VWO/) Altijd weer leuk voor thema kaartjes. Ja, aan zoiets zat ik ook te denken.

Re: [Talk-de] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Sven Eppler schrieb: Wenn ihr natürlich langfristig darauf abzielt, die Kommunikation auf der offiziellen OSM-Seite im wesentlichen etwas Weg von einer Community Idee zu bewegen und mehr inhaltbezogene Kommunikation zu erzwingen, wären solche öffentlichen Talkpages sicher nicht ganz verkehrt.

Re: [Talk-de] Logger für Windows Mobile?

2008-11-24 Thread Melchior Moos
2008/11/23 Marc Kura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moin.. Gibt es einen brauchbaren Logger der unter Windows Mobile läuft? Ich verwende immer gpvVP, das kann auch die Slippymap im Hintergrund einblenden. http://code.google.com/p/gpsvp/downloads/list Gruß, Melchior

Re: [Talk-de] PLZ ein Gebäude 2 Meinungen.

2008-11-24 Thread Chris66
Thomas Drebert schrieb: ich habe in meiner Gegend diverse Postleitzahlen gemappt Hat sich da mittlerweile ein Standard gebildet? Soll immer noch jede Straße mit einer PLZ versehen werden? In meiner Stadt gibt's nur eine PLZ. Reicht da die PLZ nur in den place-Node zu schreiben? MFG Chris

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level

2008-11-24 Thread Fabian Schmidt
Am 23.11.08 schrieb Michael Schmitt: Wobei ich keine Landkreise kenne die in Bezirke unterteilt sind. Die Die kreisfreie Stadt Leipzig besteht aus zehn Stadtbezirken, die wiederum aus bis zu zehn Stadtteilen bestehen. Im Landkreis Leipzig (dem die Stadt nicht angehört), gibt es sieben

Re: [Talk-de] PLZ ein Gebäude 2 Meinungen.

2008-11-24 Thread Marcus Wolschon
2008/11/24 Chris66 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thomas Drebert schrieb: ich habe in meiner Gegend diverse Postleitzahlen gemappt Hat sich da mittlerweile ein Standard gebildet? Soll immer noch jede Straße mit einer PLZ versehen werden? In meiner Stadt gibt's nur eine PLZ. Reicht da die PLZ nur in

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level

2008-11-24 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Matthias Wimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Schmitt schrieb: Heiko Jacobs schrieb: 6: Landkreis bzw. kreisfreie Stadt, einheitlich bis auf Hamburg und Berlin in Bremen koennte man Bremen und Bremerhaven als zwei kreisfreie Staedte bezeichnen, so au laut Wikipedia kreisfreie Stadt

[Talk-de] Hamburg und Grenzen (Re: Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level)

2008-11-24 Thread Sven Anders
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 14:32 schrieb Heiko Jacobs: In Hamburg scheint die politishce Mitsprache auf Bezirksebene zu laufen (7) mit Unterteilung derselben in Stadtteile (11), wobei einige davon wohl zu Ortsaemtern zusammengefasst werden? (10?) Ortsämter gibt es nicht mehr, das war mal

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level

2008-11-24 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Norbert K?ck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W?re in deinem Beispiel nicht die Fl?che des Stadtbremischen ?berseehafengebietes definiert? Somit kann es dann zur Addition des Landesgebietes vollst?ndig genutzt werden. Genau. Es gibt dort kein Problem der Fl?chenzuweisung. Was nicht zur Gemeinde

Re: [Talk-de] Stadtteil

2008-11-24 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Matthias Wimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ossi schrieb: Hab ich das richtig verstanden, dass ein Stadtteil admin_level 10 w?re? Oder admin_level 7 falls die Stadt kreisfrei ist. Darueber reden wir uns gerade in einem anderen Faden die Koepfe heisz: nochmals zu admin_type und boundary oder so

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level

2008-11-24 Thread Norbert Kück
Hallo, Habe eben mal auch noch Stadtbezirk in der Wikipedia nachgelesen. Demnach spricht man von Stadtbezirk, wenn diese eine eigene politisch- verwaltungstechnische Einheit bilden, wogegen Stadtteile und -viertel nur statistische Einheiten bilden ohne eigene Vertretung. GIGO - garbage in

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level

2008-11-24 Thread Lars Francke
Hi, In Hamburg scheint die politishce Mitsprache auf Bezirksebene zu laufen (7) mit Unterteilung derselben in Stadtteile (11), wobei einige davon wohl zu Ortsaemtern zusammengefasst werden? (10?) nur zwei Kleinigkeiten: Es sind 105 Stadtteile und soweit ich mich erinnere wurden die Ortsämter

Re: [Talk-de] PLZ ein Gebäude 2 Meinungen.

2008-11-24 Thread Claudius Henrichs
Marcus Wolschon: 2008/11/24 Chris66[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thomas Drebert schrieb: ich habe in meiner Gegend diverse Postleitzahlen gemappt Hat sich da mittlerweile ein Standard gebildet? Soll immer noch jede Straße mit einer PLZ versehen werden? In meiner Stadt gibt's nur eine PLZ. Reicht da

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level

2008-11-24 Thread Norbert Kück
Hallo, Heiko Jacobs schrieb: Wobei nach meinem amtl. Stadtplan von Bremerhaven das stadtbremische Ueberseehafengebiet ca. 100 m vor der Stromkaje endet... Weisz aber nicht, ob das wirklich amtlich ist oder nur so dargestellt. Nein es ist nicht so. Die Stromkaje gehört dazu, allerdings nur bis

Re: [Talk-de] noexit - wie weit anwenden

2008-11-24 Thread Bernd Raichle
On Monday, 3 November 2008 01:27:34 +0100, Thomas Hog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Guenther Meyer schrieb: nur sind osm-daten schon prinzipbedingt zur zeit unvollstaendig, und da ist es durchaus sinnvoll, unterscheiden zu koennen, ob eine strasse, die ploetzlich aufhoert, wirklich so

Re: [Talk-de] Hamburg und Grenzen (Re: Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level)

2008-11-24 Thread Lars Francke
Habe Deine Mail zu spät gelesen und das gleiche in gruen in den anderen Thread geschrieben... nun gut irgendwas ist ja immer. Die Stadtteile haben dann noch Unterteilungen, die aber wohl nicht wirklich irgendwo verzeichnet sind, manchmal heißen diese: Siedlung oder Ortsteil Schau an. Wieder

Re: [Talk-de] noexit - wie weit anwenden

2008-11-24 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Bernd Raichle schrieb: Beispielsweise tagge ich gerne alle _Endpunkte_ eines Weges, wo es mit keinem Verkehrsmittel legal und/oder mit einfachen Mitteln mehr weitergeht, mit noexit=yes Nur zum Verständnis: Fuß ist ein Verkehrsmittel? Also Fußweg ab Sackgassen-Wendehammer rüber zur

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Schmitt
Fabian Schmidt schrieb: Am 23.11.08 schrieb Michael Schmitt: Wobei ich keine Landkreise kenne die in Bezirke unterteilt sind. Die Die kreisfreie Stadt Leipzig besteht aus zehn Stadtbezirken, die wiederum aus bis zu zehn Stadtteilen bestehen. Im Landkreis Leipzig (dem die Stadt nicht

[Talk-de] Bayerisches Vermessungsamt

2008-11-24 Thread FrauSuhrbier
Das sind mal Neuigkeiten: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Luftbilder_aus_Bayern ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Muster für Wegbeschreibung/Anfahrtski zze

2008-11-24 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Am Montag 24 November 2008 schrieb Bernd Wurst: Kennst du das Export-Tab auf openstreetmap.org? Wenn du dort Embeddable HTML auswählst, bekommst du eine kleine Splippymap mit dem Ausschnitt, den du grade siehst. Vielen Dank für diesen Hinweis - ich dachte, dass Export immer statisch ist. So

[Talk-de] Rendern von Compound/Collection-Relations

2008-11-24 Thread Patrick Kolesa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Moin, wie sieht's eigentlich mit der Unterstützung von Renderern für Straßen, die nicht wie herkömmlich getagged werden, sondern deren einzelne Wegsegmente in eine Relation gepackt werden, die die benötigten Informationen (wie name, maxspeed, ...)

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level

2008-11-24 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Norbert K?ck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wobei nach meinem amtl. Stadtplan von Bremerhaven das stadtbremische Ueberseehafengebiet ca. 100 m vor der Stromkaje endet... Weisz aber nicht, ob das wirklich amtlich ist oder nur so dargestellt. Nein es ist nicht so. Die Stromkaje geh?rt dazu, allerdings

Re: [Talk-de] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Toni Erdmann
Johann H. Addicks schrieb: Sven Eppler schrieb: Wenn ihr natürlich langfristig darauf abzielt, die Kommunikation auf der offiziellen OSM-Seite im wesentlichen etwas Weg von einer Community Idee zu bewegen und mehr inhaltbezogene Kommunikation zu erzwingen, wären solche öffentlichen Talkpages

Re: [Talk-de] Hamburg und Grenzen (Re: Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level)

2008-11-24 Thread Sven Anders
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 15:53 schrieb Lars Francke: Habe Deine Mail zu spät gelesen und das gleiche in gruen in den anderen Thread geschrieben... nun gut irgendwas ist ja immer. Die Stadtteile haben dann noch Unterteilungen, die aber wohl nicht wirklich irgendwo verzeichnet sind,

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level

2008-11-24 Thread Norbert Kück
Heiko Jacobs schrieb: Hmmm... Das Tief wurde aber verlegt wg. CT ... Ist ja nicht so, wie in alten Zeiten, als es Klosterleuten möglich war, durch die Verlegung eines Bachlaufs in den Herrschaftsbereich eines anderen Kirchenfürsten zu gelangen. :-) Die Grenze ist schön da geblieben, wo sie

Re: [Talk-de] Kläranlage / Funkmast - wie taggen

2008-11-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 22. November 2008 17:30 schrieb hansdorfff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hallo, ich kann keine Funkmasten und Kläranlagen in der MapListe finden ! Was fuer Funkmasten? Allgemein werden die man_made=tower bezeichnet. Den Radiosendemast auf Hoeldigbaum hier in Hamburg hab ich mal mit

[Talk-de] Flyer auf Spanisch

2008-11-24 Thread Jacques_N
Ich mache in zwei Wochen Urlaub auf Gomara. Natürlich nicht zum Spaß, sondern um zu mappen ;-) Ich dachte mir, das es eventuell nützlich sein könnte, OSM Flyers auf Spanisch mitzunehmen. Auf den spanischen Wikiseiten komme ich nicht so recht klar, meine Spanischkenntnisse sind sehr

Re: [Talk-de] Flyer auf Spanisch

2008-11-24 Thread Stephan Schildberg
Hallo Jacques, http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/releases/ Gruß, Stephan. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Berge mappen und rendern

2008-11-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 23. November 2008 12:55 schrieb Norbert Wenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 11/22/2008 11:47 AM, Karl Eichwalder wrote: Norbert Wenzel[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/22/2008 08:25 AM, Karl Eichwalder wrote: Um die berggipfel an die richtige stelle plazieren zu können, wäre es schön, wenn man

Re: [Talk-de] Da haben wir den Salat..., war: Re: Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level

2008-11-24 Thread Wolfgang W. Wasserburger
... das einzig sinnvolle, was man aus der bisherigen Diskussion rauslesen kann, ist, da? es einfach bei admin_level=9 nicht aus sein darf. Hier in Wien gibt es statistische Daten ja sogar bis Baublock-Niveau, also ..._level 12 oder 13? lg von der Mazzesinsel Wolfgang -Original

Re: [Talk-de] Muster für Wegbeschreibung/Anfahrtski zze

2008-11-24 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Am Dienstag 25 November 2008 schrieb Bernd Wurst: Bzgl. Banner und Logo: Ich finde es besser wenn das dezenter ist. Okay, das verstehe ich. Aber so wie bei den Karten von Map24 könnten wir wenigstens ein kleines Logo (24x32 Pixel oder so) in der Ecke der Karte platzieren, was meinst du? Gruß

Re: [Talk-de] Nur Hausnummern markiren in JOSM?

2008-11-24 Thread Marcus Wolschon
2008/11/25 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo, Thomas Drebert wrote: ich habe hier eine Straße wo die Hausnummern getaggt sind aber nicht der Straßenname wie kann man auf einfache weise nur die Hausnummern markieren ohne das die anderen Nodes von den Gebäuden mit selektiert werden

Re: [Talk-de] Da haben wir den Salat..., war: Re: Nochmals Grenzen und admin_level

2008-11-24 Thread Wolfgang W. Wasserburger
also offensichtlich ist die österreichische Verwaltung hier einfach präziser; demnach sind Statutarstädte (vgl. kreisfreie ...) ex lege gleichzeitig Bezirk und decken damit wohl zwei admin_levels ab. Was ist böse daran? es hilft jedenfalls jenen, die versuchen in internationale Pläne Grenzen

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg - Relation - Frankenweg

2008-11-24 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Karl Eichwalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Markus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bei Hedersdorf finde ich ein überflüssiges Wegstück. JOSM sagt aber, dass es nicht zur Relation gehört. Ich bin unschuldig. Vermutlich ist das so etwas wie ein zubringer: Der *Frankenweg* verläuft oft auf dem kamm

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg - Relation - Frankenweg

2008-11-24 Thread Willi Rehfeld
Am 25.11.2008, 08:28 Uhr, schrieb Karl Eichwalder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nördlich von Gräfenberg bis zum Signalstein sollte nun alles passen. Hier meine sonntägliche schneewanderung: http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/trips/2008/20081123-signalstein.html Hallo Karl, ich würde mir das gerne mal

[Talk-it] overlapping

2008-11-24 Thread vincivis
Salve. Solo ultimamente ho notato che il validator di josm di segnala una info circa delle overlapping areas e overlapping highways (with areas). La segnalazione riguarda una strada con un parco adiacente che ho disegnato sovrapponendo il tratto del confine del parco con la way. Sbirciando in

[Talk-it] OpenStreetMap e Navigatori Satellitari

2008-11-24 Thread Roberto Navoni
Buongiorno, volevo accennare alcune news rispetto alle opportunità di Openstreetmap legati ai software di navigazione : come ho già scritto qualche tempo fa in questa mailing list è possibile partecipare alla fase di beta testing di Lasernav 09 . Il software realizzato da Laser Navigation di

Re: [Talk-it] Linea di costa sparita

2008-11-24 Thread Samuele Battarra
Il domenica 23 novembre 2008 18:53 Samuele Battarra ha scritto: Ciao a tutti. Oggi ho notata che è sparita parte della costa adriatica tra Ancona e Rimini. E' un lavoro in corso di qualcuno o è un errore? Eventualmente c'è modo di recuperarla? Sono riuscito a recuperarla da un vecchio

Re: [Talk-it] Linea di costa sparita

2008-11-24 Thread Samuele Battarra
Il lunedì 24 novembre 2008 23:58 Francesco ha scritto: C'è una seconda linea boundary relativa alla sola regione Marche, mi chiedo e vi chiedo: non è il caso di eliminarla visto che è integrata nella coastline mediante relazione? L'ho vista, però ho visto anche che molti dei confini della

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