Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism - a real example from Zürich

2011-02-10 Thread Michael von Glasow
On 02/10/2011 11:01 AM, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: If I visit a bus stop by foot I can manage to map the pole/platform. So this could be level 1. But when I visit within the bus, I can only manage to map the stop position. So this would be level 1. What should be level 1 then? All you

Re: [Talk-hr] Par pitanja

2011-02-10 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:32:43 +0100, tommy5 wrote: - vidim da se smije precrtavati sa Binga, što je kul ali ipak želim prvo malo prošvrljati da imam referencu e sad me zanima preciznost, da li je 2m jel to dovoljno točno?, tj. vidim da ima svakakvih logova tako da moja trasa značajno odudara

Re: [Talk-hr] Par pitanja

2011-02-10 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 10:28:07 +, Ivan Biuklija wrote: Mislim da bi bilo prevelika gnjavaža na svaku pojedinačnu točku stavljati taj tag, a ja za sada nisam uspio naći način da automatski dodijelim svakoj točki određeni tag u JOSM-u. Ako netko ima rješenje, slušam Nikada ne stavljaš

Re: [Talk-hr] Automatsko crtanje cesta?

2011-02-10 Thread Janko Mihelić
Kolko sam ja skužio, to nije da ti odabereš područje pa on zmapira sve ceste, nego da ti klikneš na početak i na kraj ceste, a on onda povuče liniju između po cesti. To bi po meni bila super stvarčica.. Janko 2011/2/10 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com

Re: [Talk-hr] Automatsko crtanje cesta?

2011-02-10 Thread hbogner
Evo još jedna verzija: http://maps.qualitystreetmap.org/bingtracing/ ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr

Re: [Talk-hr] Par pitanja

2011-02-10 Thread Ivan Biuklija
Valent Turkovic izmedju ostalog pisase: Meni je bolja informacija koliko satelita vidiš (sve preko 5 satelita je ok, 7-8 je već super preciznost), to sam vidio jedino da prokazuje MobileTrailExplorer app za symbian (nokia) telefone. TrekBuddy (Java/Symbian) isto ispisuje broj satelita, a

[talk-ph] peculiar barrier=gate and access problem

2011-02-10 Thread maning sambale
I have difficulty tagging this kind of gate. The gate is along the main road. There are actually two gates one is for vehicle and the other is for pedestrian. In some cases, the gate for vehicle are permanently closed but allows pedestrian (and also cyclist, by carrying your bike) to pass

Re: [talk-ph] how do i tag these?

2011-02-10 Thread Ian Haylock
Hi, These are a couple Of tags I've been using : spas No idea. shop=spa purified water shops: shop=water? shop=water_refilling shop=purified_water If you use water_refilling, how do you tell the difference between purified water and the stations where water lorries fill up ? I know

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: mapquest open aerial tiles

2011-02-10 Thread Emilie Laffray
Hello, just transmitting the answer officially. Emilie Laffray On 10 February 2011 16:53, Antony Pegg wrote: Thanks emilie, hi John Yes absolutely fine to trace over. Or on a website. Or cache in a mobile app...or print out, roll it up and smoke it if you want - the imagery is totally

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-10 Thread Lennard
It's not really a bug, if you have the following setup: [...] What you're telling mapnik is that there are two boundaries, one is admin_level 6, the other is admin_level undefined. The admin 6 one will render at z11 or closer, the undefined one renders at z9 to z11. Correct. And at z11 only,

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-10 Thread Lennard
Apparently I failed to communicate clearly in my first email. Let's try this again. Daniel was right, though. Mapnik doesn't see that data as ways and relations. Both ways and relations are represented as lines in its db. Relations are 'flattened' during an import with osm2pgsql, and mapnik

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-10 Thread Daniel Sabo
To map the boundary as a relation you should have: Member way: no boundary tags (that includes the boundary name) Uh, no. Please, do add boundary=administrative + admin_level=n. Where n is the highest order admin level that applies, so if two relations with admin_level=6 and 8

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-10 Thread Lennard
Why would this be needed? I don't see anything in the wiki that says boundary relations are treated differently than multipolygons. If you tag them twice (way and relation) your just going to render an extra overlapping way. You are definitely not supposed to duplicate tags on the outer ways

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 02/10/11 12:34, Daniel Sabo wrote: Why would this be needed? I don't see anything in the wiki that says boundary relations are treated differently than multipolygons. If you tag them twice (way and relation) your just going to render an extra overlapping way. You are definitely not

[OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Hillsman, Edward
I have mapped in one of the affected areas. Some of my work there pre-dates Anthony's. He modified it, and I am guessing that this is why some of my work was also deleted. As an example, on September 5, 2009, I added Carrollwood Bicycle Emporium (48467), a bicycle shop, to a shopping

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Hillsman, Edward hills...@cutr.usf.edu wrote: I have mapped in one of the affected areas. Some of my work there pre-dates Anthony’s. He modified it, and I am guessing that this is why some of my work was also deleted. As an example, on September 5, 2009, I added

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Here's what happened.  Grand plaza was mapped as one single building. I deleted that one building in order to map it as 3 separate buildings, because that's essentially what it is (3 buildings, with a shared roof/awning/whatever).  

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Hillsman, Edward
Hi Anthony, Don't worry about it. You did great work on the area, because (I gather) you live out there. I live and work quite a bit farther east, and I do most of my mapping closer to where I live. I added the bicycle shop and building based on a single visit. I just wanted to bring this

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Maarten Deen
Am I the only one who is wondering what this whole thread is about? Has Anthony's edits been removed? If so, why? I haven't heard of the license change actually being implemented ATM, and certainly not that edits are being removed. So, what is this all about? Regards, Maarten

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Hillsman, Edward hills...@cutr.usf.edu wrote: Hi Anthony, Don't worry about it. You did great work on the area, because (I gather) you live out there. I live and work quite a bit farther east, and I do most of my mapping closer to where I live. I added the

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Matt Williams
On 10 February 2011 14:33, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Am I the only one who is wondering what this whole thread is about? Has Anthony's edits been removed? If so, why? I haven't heard of the license change actually being implemented ATM, and certainly not that edits are being removed.

[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Maarten Deen
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:45:47 +0100, Matt Williams wrote: On 10 February 2011 14:33, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Am I the only one who is wondering what this whole thread is about? Has Anthony's edits been removed? If so, why? I haven't heard of the license change actually being

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change isgoing to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread john
Also, if a particular user's changes are going to be rolled back, this needs to include not only undoing things they added or changed but also undoing deletions. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change isgoing to do to the map) From

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Nope, that doesn't really help. Anthony posted a message out of the blue with a before and after picture and later stated that The board voted to delete my contributions, and this is the before and after. Later someone (who

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license changeis going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread john
My guess would be that, rather than using a database rollback to reverse the edits, someone tried to undo them manually by deleting every object he has touched. ---Original Email--- Subject :[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license changeis going to do to the map)

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Anthony wrote: I said on a mailing list that I traced from Google. The LWG asked me which of my edits should be deleted. I told them none of them should be deleted. So naturally they deleted all of them. That settles the point of whether or not the removal of your contributions was

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license changeis going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Tom Hughes
On 10/02/11 14:03, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: My guess would be that, rather than using a database rollback to reverse the edits, someone tried to undo them manually by deleting every object he has touched. A database rollback would be a bit drastic - it would remove every edit made by

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Dermot McNally
On 10 February 2011 14:01, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Which, by the way, I denied.  Tracing aerials does not involve copying data. Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. Since I began mapping on OSM (which was a while ago) the considered opinion of the project was Don't trace Google imagery.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the licensechange is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread john
OK then. It sounds like we need a more sophisticated undo script that can query the database and find out the full list of actions that the user had done during a certain time-frame, so as to make sure to undo all of them. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re:

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 February 2011 14:01, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Which, by the way, I denied.  Tracing aerials does not involve copying data. Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. It definitely doesn't. There's no maybe about

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the licensechangeis going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Tom Hughes
On 10/02/11 14:16, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Since the OSM changes are stored in a database, if the database log stores records of changes, normal procedures for rolling back changes would have included rolling back the deletions. So, either someone used the database rollback but didn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the licensechange is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread john
The position of objects is certainly part of the data belonging to those objects, and tracing of aerial objects is done in order to determine their position. So, you are copying the positional data from the serial images. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the licensechangeisgoing to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread john
OK then. Up until now, the discussion had made it sound as if the changes in question had happened recently, rather than years ago. --Original Message-- From: Tom Hughes To: John Eldredge Cc: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Joseph Reeves
Regardless of what you believe, Google have said that they don't want their imagery traced into OSM and OSM have said that they don't want Google derived data in the database. You polluted the database with data nobody wants and now have been trolling the mailing lists ever since. That doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Kay Drangmeister
Hi Am 10.02.2011, 15:24 Uhr, schrieb Anthony o...@inbox.org: Which, by the way, I denied. Tracing aerials does not involve copying data. Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. It definitely doesn't. There's no maybe about it. Since you are no judge I dare to object. However: OSM data

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Dermot McNally
On 10 February 2011 14:24, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: It definitely doesn't.  There's no maybe about it. You seem to have missed my substantive point, so let me restate it: You deliberately did something we as a community have chosen not to do. You willfully put the work of others in

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net wrote: Hi Am 10.02.2011, 15:24 Uhr, schrieb Anthony o...@inbox.org: Which, by the way, I denied.  Tracing aerials does not involve copying data. Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. It definitely doesn't.  There's no

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Anthony wrote: I thought I understood the policy. To cover your ass so Google can't say you're encouraging people to break the TOS. But I've been told that isn't it at all, and that you actually don't want people to trace from Google. Honesty - try it some day, it works !

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Toby Murray
I have come across a couple of seemingly immutable tiles that refuse to re-render even though higher resolution imagery is available. For example: http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=39.19008048219242lon=-96.60511479564622zoom=14 Toby

[OSM-talk] Returning to the question of collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread Hillsman, Edward
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:28:41 +, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the licensechangeis going to do to the map) Message-ID: 4d53f619.5050...@compton.nu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I know of no database

Re: [OSM-talk] Returning to the question of collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Edward Hillsman wrote: We refer to the OSM community, and the need to respect the work of others. The way this particular situation was handled could have done a much better job of respecting the work of others. If software needs to be modified to make it easier to show such respect, then

Re: [OSM-talk] Returning to the question of collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Hillsman, Edward hills...@cutr.usf.edu wrote: This is not about my losing a few contributions; the information I need to figure out what was lost in this part of the map, and hints on how I can reconstruct what I did, is there in the my edits history. And

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Ed, Hillsman, Edward wrote: As an example, on September 5, 2009, I added Carrollwood Bicycle Emporium (48467), a bicycle shop, to a shopping center. On October 12, Anthony added an address to this bicycle shop. And on October 14, Anthony removed that bicycle shop, and it has been

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Ed, Hillsman, Edward wrote: As an example, on September 5, 2009, I added Carrollwood Bicycle Emporium (48467), a bicycle shop, to a shopping center. On October 12, Anthony added an address to this bicycle shop.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/10 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: As an example, on September 5, 2009, I added Carrollwood Bicycle Emporium (48467), a bicycle shop, to a shopping center. On October 12, Anthony added an address to this bicycle shop. And on October 14, Anthony removed that bicycle shop, and it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I think that in this particular case it might be OK that deletions were not undone (you could argue that deletion with Google as base is not possible, at least it would be almost impossible to proove). But for the license change I wonder: how will we deal with the

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:36:53 +0100 Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net wrote: However: OSM data integrity is at stake, and you are endangering it, willfully and knowingly. While you seem to understand the reasoning behind the OSM contribution policy, you fail to obey it. You are

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] proof (was collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map))

2011-02-10 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/10 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:14 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer It is impossible to prooove that *any* of my contributions were done with Google as a base. yes, but that was not necessary because you stated it yourself. Btw.: I am sorry that all these contributions were

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 10.02.2011 15:12, schrieb Grant Slater: Message from Mikel 2 days ago explaining: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2011-February/001052.html I believe the user-revert script used is fairly simple and does not have direct access to the OSM database. The script does attempt

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:59:45 + Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: On 10/02/11 19:37, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:36:53 +0100 Kay Drangmeisterk...@drangmeister.net wrote: Let's get this completely fair, and remove all the work of others who have been caught tracing

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread ant
Hi, On 10.02.2011 20:25, Lennard wrote: @ant: Would it be possible to have the editors collect and report* on the available zoom levels, as users download Bing tiles while editing? That's a brilliant idea, but I'm not involved in how editors handle Bing maps. So the question whether they can

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Lennard
On 10-2-2011 23:37, ant wrote: On 10.02.2011 20:25, Lennard wrote: @ant: Would it be possible to have the editors collect and report* on the available zoom levels, as users download Bing tiles while editing? That's a brilliant idea, but I'm not involved in how editors handle Bing maps. So the

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:37 PM, ant antof...@gmail.com wrote: On 10.02.2011 20:25, Lennard wrote: @ant: Would it be possible to have the editors collect and report* on the available zoom levels, as users download Bing tiles while editing? That's a brilliant idea, but I'm not involved in how

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Where possible only infringing edits will be removed - I'm not sure why you think we would or should do more than that. In this case the mapper refused to cooperate with identifying which edits were infringing so we had to

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Anthony wrote: I've repeatedly identified which edits were infringing - NONE OF THE EDITS WERE INFRINGING. I'm afraid there seems to be either a misunderstanding between us or a contradiction on your part. Earlier in this thread you wrote : I said on a mailing list that I traced from

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Dave F.
On 09/02/2011 11:53, ant wrote: Hi Dave, On 09.02.2011 12:26, Dave F. wrote: Sorry, but I'm failing to see the point in this tool. Why would someone need to get an idea about where hi-res is? At 14 it gives inaccurate readings, at 14 you're to far in to *get an idea*. Hope you can explain it

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Dave F.
On 10/02/2011 23:49, Dave F. wrote: The blank areas have hi-res imagery (caveat: I have checked every tile) I *haven't* checked To follow on: http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=51.420057188094106lon=-2.4574914579781226zoom=20 In order to see if an area is super high

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 00:00, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: In order to see if an area is super high (z20)  I have to be actually zoomed in on that area to zoom level 20. Therefore I can tell if it is hi-res from the Bing imagery. I'm really failing to see the purpose of this product.

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Dave F.
On 11/02/2011 00:07, Dermot McNally wrote: I think the theory is that if you have already done the hard work of zooming in, the next guy won't have to because he'll see the coloured tiles at that location. if someone has to do that first to highlight the data that's already there, then I

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Anthony o...@inbox.org To: Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map) On Thu, Feb

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 00:27, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: At what zoom level to I have to be at to view an already zoomed in area to view dark blue (z20)? You could be fairly zoomed out if there are enough adjacent z20 tiles turned dark blue. But yes, it all needs a lot of eyes to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 tutorial video: part 1 (rough cut)

2011-02-10 Thread Toby Murray
I think the video is great. I will definitely point some new mappers at it. You show how to achieve a single mapping goal in simple terms. The audio is a little odd though. It sounds like maybe your mic gain is set too high and there is some clipping going on. And the levels are out of whack.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
Either you traced from Google or none of the edits were infringing. Those two assertions are mutually incompatible. No they aren't. Anthony, they might not be incompatible as far as you are concerned. But they are incompatible as far as the OSM community is concerned.  That is a fact.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
OSM has repeatedly said it does not want contents that are derived from Google tracing.  It's very clear.  OSM is not asking you whether you think you are allowed to trace from Google.  It is telling you that as a community we don't want you to trace from Google. Yes.  And it's telling me

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 01:11, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Actually, let me correct that.  A tiny fraction (less than 0.001%) of the OSM community has told me that by deleting contributions which have absolutely nothing to do with my tracing from Google. What percentage has told you that that

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Anthony wrote: OSM is not asking you whether you think you are allowed to trace from Google. It is telling you that as a community we don't want you to trace from Google. Yes. And it's telling me that by deleting contributions which have absolutely nothing to do with my tracing from Google.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: Anthony wrote: OSM is not asking you whether you think you are allowed to trace from Google.  It is telling you that as a community we don't want you to trace from Google. Yes. And it's telling me that by deleting

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Anthony wrote: After admitting to tracing from Google imagery, you refused to tell which objects were involved. Oh my God. How many times do I have to say this? NO OBJECTS WERE INVOLVED. I don't understand how you can both admit tracing from Google imagery and at the same time tell us

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread nicholas . g . lawrence
Anthony wrote: After admitting to tracing from Google imagery, you refused to tell which objects were involved. Oh my God. How many times do I have to say this? NO OBJECTS WEREINVOLVED. I don't understand how you can both admit tracing from Google imagery and at the same time

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:54 PM, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Anthony, when you traced from google imagery, what went into OSM? Nothing. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 01:34, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Oh my God.  How many times do I have to say this?  NO OBJECTS WERE INVOLVED. By now this is all at risk of getting a little like a soap opera, and like with soaps, there is a risk that people coming in at the middle of a storyline will

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Toby Murray
Does anyone think more discussion is going to yield anything useful? It is obvious that Anthony is unwilling to accept a nearly universally held community consensus. I initially thought that the wholesale nuking of all his contributions was a little drastic. But his continued anti-community

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread nicholas . g . lawrence
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:54 PM, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Anthony, when you traced from google imagery, what went into OSM? Nothing. So why did you say that you had traced from google imagery in the first place? (if nothing went into OSM) nick

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: And yes, if as much of the community agreed that 1+1=3 as agrees that tracing from google is not desirable, then I would tag lanes=3 on 2 lane roads. I wouldn't. And I think that pretty much sums this whole mess up.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread nicholas . g . lawrence
* Anthony goes on to have in his possession simultaneously tea and no tea, thereby solving one of the stickier puzzle in the Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy text adventure game[1]. Go Anthony! Was there ever a sequel to that text adventure? It kind of ended on a cliff-hanger ... nick

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:01 PM, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: So why did you say that you had traced from google imagery in the first place? (if nothing went into OSM) I think the more interesting question is, if I had demanded that all my contributions to OSM be removed, would

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 02:05, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Was there ever a sequel to that text adventure? It kind of ended on a cliff-hanger ... Well there was a crucial bit where the protagonist left the planet... Dermot -- -- Igaühel on siin

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 02:09, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I think the more interesting question is, if I had demanded that all my contributions to OSM be removed, would they have been removed? What basis would you have had for such a demand? Dermot -- --

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 11 February 2011 02:43, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: At what zoom level to I have to be at to view an already zoomed in area to view dark blue (z20)? I'm trying, but still failing to see the benefit in this.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread john
Did you make your statement about having traced from Google in order to get all of your work backed out? ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage From :mailto:o...@inbox.org Date :Thu Feb 10 20:09:16 America/Chicago 2011 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:01 PM,

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread nicholas . g . lawrence
On 11 February 2011 02:05, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Was there ever a sequel to that text adventure? It kind of ended on a cliff-hanger ... Well there was a crucial bit where the protagonist left the planet... Last bit I remember, the protagonist left the spaceship to

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread David Fawcett
Damn, I assumed that it was either the 'evil twin' or 'amnesia' plot line. On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:00 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 February 2011 01:34, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Oh my God. How many times do I have to say this? NO OBJECTS WERE INVOLVED. By now

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Maarten Deen
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:49:58 +, Dave F. wrote: On 09/02/2011 11:53, ant wrote: What you do mean by inaccurate readings? I think the map is quite accurate. http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=51.06122731915702lon=-2.3915486787965934zoom=9 The blank areas have

[Talk-br] condominios fechados

2011-02-10 Thread David Kurka
olá pessoal, tudo bem? tenho uma dúvida: qual a melhor tag para se usar em ruas dentro de condominios fechados? (e com acesso restrito) abraços, -- David Kurka ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-br] condominios fechados

2011-02-10 Thread Johan Dahlin
2011/2/10 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com: Acho que highway=residential + access=private é o mais adequado. E barrier=lift_gate que todos os condominos tem por aqui. -- Johan Dahlin ___ Talk-br mailing list

Re: [Talk-br] condominios fechados

2011-02-10 Thread David Kurka
2011/2/10 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com Acho que highway=residential + access=private é o mais adequado. ok! obrigado! :) 2011/2/10 David Kurka david.ku...@gmail.com olá pessoal, tudo bem? tenho uma dúvida: qual a melhor tag para se usar em ruas dentro de

Re: [Talk-br] condominios fechados

2011-02-10 Thread Arlete Meneguette
Oi, pessoal ! Eu estou aprendendo a usar o OSM. Por favor, me desculpem se eu escrever algo próprio de iniciantes. Minha questão se refere a mapear condomínios fechados. Em Presidente Prudente, SP, onde eu moro e trabalho, os condomínios fechados não estão mapeados no Google Maps, no Google Map

[Talk-br] Re-2: condominios fechados

2011-02-10 Thread cs
Acho que highway=residential + access=private é o mais adequado. eu so usar highway = residential com o access = restricted: Foi lindo no Mapnik (ver o Condominio Paraiso dos Lagos por examplo): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-12.64355lon=-38.07376zoom=16layers=M E barrier=lift_gate que

Re: [Talk-br] condominios fechados

2011-02-10 Thread Leandro Motta Barros
Eu tenho usado highway=service + service=driveway + access=private. Tava fazendo assim pensando que essas vias são mais um acesso aos prédios do que ruas propriamente ditas. Parecia muito óbvio que eu estava fazendo a coisa certa até ler esse teu email, que também parece fazer muito sentido :-)

Re: [Talk-br] condominios fechados

2011-02-10 Thread Leandro Motta Barros
Odeio responder aos meus próprios emails, lá vai... Na verdade eu nunca mapeei um condomínio fechado de fato, desses maiores. No máximo, mapeei conjuntos de prédios residenciais, em que usei os tags como disse. Prá condomínios fechados de verdade, acho o highway=residential bem adequado!

[Talk-br] Estacionamentos para clientes

2011-02-10 Thread Leandro Motta Barros
Olás, Existe algum tipo de tag (algum access=*, imagino) para marcar estacionamentos que devem ser usados apenas pelos clientes de um estabelecimento? Acho que na página de talk do access=* (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:access#Usage_for_parking.3F), eles sugerem usar

Re: [Talk-br] Estacionamentos para clientes

2011-02-10 Thread cs
Existe: amenity = parking access = permissive Existe algum tipo de tag (algum access=*, imagino) para marcar estacionamentos que devem ser usados apenas pelos clientes de um estabelecimento? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-br] Estacionamentos para clientes

2011-02-10 Thread Leandro Motta Barros
Eu entendo que o permissive é para casos em que o estacionamento (ou seja o que for) é particular, mas que na prática o dono permite acesso prá todo mundo. (access=permissive The owner gives general permission for access.) O estacionamento do Restaurante do Pedro é particular (o Pedro é seu

[Talk-br] Re-2: Estacionamentos para clientes

2011-02-10 Thread cs
No Wiki de Openstreetmap (Ingleis) disse usar access = permissive para o estacionamento de cliente ;-) Eu entendo que o permissive é para casos em que o estacionamento (ou seja o que for) é particular, mas que na prática o dono permite acesso prá todo mundo. (access=permissive The owner gives

Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Karte über Mapnik erstellen

2011-02-10 Thread Kai Behncke
Hallo Holger, Martin, Nop, Frederik, vielen Dank an dieser Stelle für Eure Antworten. Mit nik2img.py klappt es wunderbar (aber Achtung: Die Cairo-Blibiothek, welche zum Erstellen des SVG benötigt wird, ist in den Windows-Paketen nicht eingebunden, auf Linux aber kein Problem). Viele Grüße,

[Talk-de] mehrere Gebäude mit einer Hausnummer

2011-02-10 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hi ! jedes Haus hat eigentlich eine Hausnummer - aber nicht immer ! Ich habe auch Häuser bei uns gefunden wo mehrere Baukörper - auch räumlich auf einem Grundstück getrennt - die selbe Nummer haben. Sollen wir jetzt jedem der Häuser diese Nummer zuweisen oder wie macht Ihr das ? Gruß

Re: [Talk-de] mehrere Gebäude mit einer Hausnummer

2011-02-10 Thread Walter Nordmann
hi jan, ich mach das so: - in einfachen Situationen tagge ich das Hauptgebäude voll (alle Fünfe) und mach bei den Nebengebäusen nur building=* Einfach ist das für mich, da ich auf den Lande wohne und man dort relativ leicht erkennen kann, wo das Wohnhaus ist. - bei komplexeren Fällen (z.b.

Re: [Talk-de] mehrere Gebäude mit einer Hausnummer

2011-02-10 Thread Georg Feddern
Moin Jan, Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Ich habe auch Häuser bei uns gefunden wo mehrere Baukörper - auch räumlich auf einem Grundstück getrennt - die selbe Nummer haben. Sollen wir jetzt jedem der Häuser diese Nummer zuweisen oder wie macht Ihr das ? ich würde das ein wenig von der Lage vor Ort

Re: [Talk-de] Verknüpfung von Objekten

2011-02-10 Thread Markus
Hallo Martin, Ideal ist also: | --p--x--p-- | Zaun, Punkt für Pfosten, Tor, virtuelle Verbindung mit Weg, Tor, Pfosten, Zaun? Für Pfosten haben wir bisher ja noch gar keinen Standardwert Ich meinte nicht, jeden einzelnen Pfosten zu beschreiben. Sondern Anfang und Ende eines Tors

Re: [Talk-de] Verknüpfung von Objekten

2011-02-10 Thread Fabian Schmidt
Am 10.02.11 schrieb Markus: d.h. es ist notwendig, jeden Verkehrsweg sowohl als Graph als auch als in seiner konkreten Gestalt als Fläche zu erfasse? Nein. Es ist notwendig, jeden Verkehrsweg als Graph zu erfassen. Die Breite der Straße ergibt sich aus width, die maximale Fahrzeugbreite,

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