[Talk-transit] Open source transit

2011-06-17 Thread jude mwenda
Hi, Got a project involving transit and would like to know what are the available open source transit suites. Looked at openplans. Any others out there? -- Regards, Jude Mwenda Skype id: jmwenda Twitter: www.twitter.com/judemwenda Web: www.africangeogeek.com Was ist mein Leben, wenn ich nicht

Re: [Talk-transit] Open source transit

2011-06-17 Thread Shoaib Burq
Hi Jude Can you import transit data from OpenStreetMap or massage it to a format like google's transit data? Shoaib -- http://twitter.com/sabman On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:00 AM, jude mwenda judemwe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Got a project involving transit and would like to know what are the

[talk-ph] counting roads honoring Rizal

2011-06-17 Thread maning sambale
I have this hunch that the name Rizal (our national hero) is the most popular street name in the Philippines. So I counted. On first pass, I have this results: Top names on highway ways: frequency name 164 Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway 154 Floodway B 130 National Highway 114 MacArthur

Re: [talk-ph] Detailed subdivision mapping in Cebu

2011-06-17 Thread maning sambale
Nice! On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Done by Totor: http://osm.org/go/4tRH4mQAj-- :-) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph --

Re: [talk-ph] we may loose yahoo imagery by September 2011

2011-06-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
The only places where Yahoo has imagery that Bing doesn't are the following: 1. Small parts of Pampanga: rural eastern parts of San Fernando; Sta. Ana; northern parts of San Simon. This area is partially covered by the mid-res SPOT5 imagery though. 2. Southern parts of Samal City including

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Francis Davey
2011/6/17 Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com: The goal of that statement was to allow any contributions that have been derived from our PhotoMaps under our current licence (which is what imposes the CC-BY-SA redistribution condition) can remain in the OSM db.  Not being a lawyer, I'm not going to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: The goal of that statement was to allow any contributions that have been derived from our PhotoMaps under our current licence (which is what imposes the CC-BY-SA redistribution condition) can remain in the OSM db.  Not being

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Thread Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer
Hi Dermot, That's not a bad start - but if I play spot-the-missing-bit, it looks to me that you aren't prepared to trust 2/3 of the community to decide that (for reasons not yet forseen) a licence other than the two you list and which may not be copyleft/sharealike. Please note that the CT

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/17/11 11:18, John Smith wrote: Only if the amount of data traced is not substantial. CC-by-SA makes no such distinction, it's either cc-by-sa or it's not cc-by-sa, so which license can tiles be put under? Sorry, I thought you had asked about tracing from tiles. Tiles can be put

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:06, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 06/17/11 11:18, John Smith wrote: Only if the amount of data traced is not substantial. CC-by-SA makes no such distinction, it's either cc-by-sa or it's not cc-by-sa, so which license can tiles be put under? Sorry, I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:54, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 00:40, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I am not trying to apply patents to OSM. I am trying to use the example of patents

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Simon Poole
Because you want to sell/offer s service in the EU, enter one of the countries and numerous other reasons. As long as you don't make the derived database available or publish the contents in some form -in- the EU you are not in trouble, just if. Simon Am 17.06.2011 16:54, schrieb John

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 01:10, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Because you want to sell/offer s service in the EU, enter one of the countries and numerous other reasons. As long as you don't make the derived database available or publish the contents in some form -in- the EU you are not in trouble,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 17 June 2011 16:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 06/17/11 16:39, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 1. IIRC the newer versions of CC-By-SA include statements to ensure that the content is not protected by database rights, patents or DRM, which would prevent their uses. News to me.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Thread Dermot McNally
On Friday, 17 June 2011, Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer o...@amen-online.de wrote: Please note that the CT do not guarantee a 2/3 majority of the community. Only a part of the community is entitled to vote. I read your other mail on that topic. I don't personally have any objection to addressing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 17 June 2011 17:17, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2011 16:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 06/17/11 16:39, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 1. IIRC the newer versions of CC-By-SA include statements to ensure that the content is not protected by database

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:01 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 00:54, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 00:40, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I am

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/17 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com: On Friday, 17 June 2011, Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer o...@amen-online.de wrote: I read your other mail on that topic. I don't personally have any objection to addressing weaknesses in the definition of active contributor. If we take the voting issues

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Thread Robert Kaiser
Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer schrieb: The first problem is that the right to vote depends upon being allowed to contribute. It it defined anywhere what contribute means? I have heard statements before that sending messages, e.g. in here, also counts as a contribution, as does replying to a

[OSM-legal-talk] active contributor

2011-06-17 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer schrieb: The first problem is that the right to vote depends upon being allowed to contribute. It it defined anywhere what contribute means? From the contributor terms v1.2.4 An active

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
The CT/License Vote was IMHO not meant to be a serious democratic process. Instead a majority was searched for a OSMF decision: cynism on like non anonymous voting for a single party in some countries where your lose your job if voting against -fill in your favorite dictator- cynism off As long as

[OSM-legal-talk] application of ODBL to an extarct of OSM obtained via jxapi

2011-06-17 Thread David Groom
Word in quotes below relate to the meanings given them by ODbL Assume I use jxapi to download an extract of the main OSM database . Is the downloaded extract a Derivative Database, or since the download was provided by OSM does the downloaded data qualify as simply a Database? Regards

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] application of ODBL to an extarct of OSM obtained via jxapi

2011-06-17 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:09 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Word in quotes below relate to the meanings given them by ODbL Assume I use jxapi to download an extract of the main OSM database .  Is the downloaded extract a Derivative Database, or since the download was provided

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 05:25, davespod osmli...@dellams.fastmail.fm wrote: In a similar vein, I think OSMF and any other publisher of OSM-derived map tiles under CC-by-SA would be well advised to be explicit about what it is they are licensing under CC-by-SA. In other words, they should follow the

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread Gehling Marc
Hello, I would suggest that images are updated from countries that are currently inan upheaval as Egypt, Tunisia, Libya Am 16.06.2011 um 23:09 schrieb Steve Coast: Hi I'm speaking personally and there are no guarantees here but I'd like to get input on what areas you would like Bing to

[OSM-talk] SOS. no green area in map using StyleSheet mapnik

2011-06-17 Thread Saphy Mo
Hallo, I used Mapnik and osm.xml as default StyleSheet. There are not any green ara on the map. Please let me know, where can I get a better StyleSheet like map of OpenStreetMap.org ? Please see the Attachment. Thanks, Saphy attachment:

Re: [OSM-talk] Source tags and changesets (was ... ODbL ...)

2011-06-17 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: That sounds like a great idea. (Does Merkaartor have support for this?) 'source' in the changeset has the disadvantage that it disappears from the planet dumps or simple API extracts. This can be a legal issue for some

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-17 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 04:29:51PM +0100, Thomas Davie wrote: On 16 Jun 2011, at 16:04, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: No, it would be simpler for OSM. If you're willing to public domain your work, you're willing to give it to anyone under any terms. Why would you

Re: [OSM-talk] Something between a changeset and a comment

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Bennett
Is there a way you can contribute the data to Factual, or Needlebase, or one of those other data sharey platforms? They have good tools for visualising data online. Steve On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Dear All, Have you ever wondered about a changeset

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Rob Myers
On 17/06/11 09:34, Steve Bennett wrote: Also, a question I should probably know the answer to: is ODbL considered compatible with CC-BY-SA? Can you relicense something that is CC-BY-SA as ODbL? (I guess the answer must be yes, but could someone confirm?) The answer is no, unless the person

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: In my opinion, changeset-based sources also make it clear which edit was using which source. For example, since good Bing imagery has become available, I've developed a habit to trace the buildings in an area from Bing,

Re: [OSM-talk] Source tags and changesets (was ... ODbL ...)

2011-06-17 Thread Jochen Topf
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:06:13AM +0200, Pieren wrote: [...] then compensated by local survey or aerial imagery. The result is that many contributions are often a mix of different sources. Actually thats what OSM is all about. A mix of many different sources. Thats why the source tag was

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread Jean-Guilhem Cailton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 17/06/2011 08:15, Gehling Marc a écrit : I would suggest that images are updated from countries that are currently inan upheaval as Egypt, Tunisia, Libya Hi, +1. High resolution coverage of Libya, Tunisia and Algeria is currently limited to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 June 2011 18:38, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: Data from an ODbL database may however be used to create a BY-SA Produced Work. So this means produced works can be traced into a cc-by-sa data set then? ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Source tags and changesets (was ... ODbL ...)

2011-06-17 Thread Richard Mann
source tags are most useful if you think the source may be wrong (out-of-date, out-of-position), or if you think there's dubiety about the usability of the source. The rest of the time, it's probably just background noise. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/17/11 08:15, Gehling Marc wrote: I would suggest that images are updated from countries that are currently inan upheaval as Egypt, Tunisia, Libya What Would FakeSteveC say? http://fakestevec.blogspot.com/2011/04/know-your-osm-memes-4.html Oh, that. Jokes aside, I think the ideal

Re: [OSM-talk] Source tags and changesets (was ... ODbL ...)

2011-06-17 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:06:13AM +0200, Pieren wrote: [...] then compensated by local survey or aerial imagery. The result is that many contributions are often a mix of different sources. Actually thats what OSM is

Re: [OSM-talk] Source tags and changesets (was ... ODbL ...)

2011-06-17 Thread SomeoneElse
On 17/06/2011 06:35, Ed Avis wrote: This is not really a technical question but one of convention: are per-changeset source tags generally accepted practice in the project these days? I suspect that it varies by community. My experience locally is that on-the-ground mappers tend to use

Re: [OSM-talk] Source tags and changesets (was ... ODbL ...)

2011-06-17 Thread SomeoneElse
On 17/06/2011 09:42, Jochen Topf wrote: The source tag can sometimes be some help in figuring out the history of an object. After it was entered in OSM we have a complete history, before that the source tag can sometimes help. But it is far less useful in practice than many think. Exactly

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Kothic JS - a full-featured JavaScript map rendering engine using HTML5 Canvas

2011-06-17 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: The time to get a map is on the order of 5-8 minutes for me... 5-8 minutes?? For me, it's more like 10 seconds. Opera, on a university internet

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Thread Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer
Hi Grant, Please list the problematic language you are referring to... Your email on the 18th of Jan or your email in reply to Kai on the 6th Feb. I see several small problems in the CT and two bigger problems. The bigger problems are related to the definition of active contributor. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:19 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:  when all the nearmap-derived data is removed It seems like you missed an email a couple of days ago? Current NearMap derived data does not need to be removed from OSM during the license change.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/17/11 16:20, John Smith wrote: Patents don't apply here I am trying to make a general point about the scope of CC licenses, to which the patents example is relevant. Do you or do you not agree, that if a picture describing a patent is made available under CC-BY-SA (and NOT

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Rob Myers
On 06/17/11 16:06, John Smith wrote: So once again I'm met with silence and can only assume that produced works licensed under cc-by or cc-by-sa can be derived from, Do read the discussions I had with odc-discuss when someone asked about this before:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:30, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 06/17/11 16:20, John Smith wrote: Patents don't apply here I am trying to make a general point about the scope of CC licenses, to which the patents example is relevant. Do you or do you not agree, that if a picture

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:32, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 06/17/11 16:06, John Smith wrote: So once again I'm met with silence and can only assume that produced works licensed under cc-by or cc-by-sa can be derived from, Do read the discussions I had with odc-discuss when someone asked

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, (this is offtopic, I know) On 17 June 2011 16:06, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 06/17/11 11:18, John Smith wrote: Only if the amount of data traced is not substantial. CC-by-SA makes no such distinction, it's either cc-by-sa or it's not cc-by-sa, so which license can tiles

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/17/11 16:35, John Smith wrote: I am trying to make a general point about the scope of CC licenses, to which the patents example is relevant. Do you or do you not agree, that if a picture describing a patent is made available under CC-BY-SA (and NOT CC-BY-ND), one's ability to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:40, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I am not trying to apply patents to OSM. I am trying to use the example of patents to prove to you that your reasoning either something is CC-BY-SA or it isn't is, in this simplicity, invalid; that there may well exist limitations

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Francis Davey
2011/6/17 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: 2. What happens if a person in country A with database rights publishes a tileset and licenses it under CC-By-SA to a person in country B without database rights?  The second person is then as far as I can see not bound by database rights or a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/17/11 16:39, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 1. IIRC the newer versions of CC-By-SA include statements to ensure that the content is not protected by database rights, patents or DRM, which would prevent their uses. News to me. Do you have a pointer? It is true that CC-BY-SA, for as long

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Simon Poole
Am 17.06.2011 16:39, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: ... 2. What happens if a person in country A with database rights publishes a tileset and licenses it under CC-By-SA to a person in country B without database rights? The second person is then as far as I can see not bound by database rights

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:50, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Am 17.06.2011 16:39, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: ... 2. What happens if a person in country A with database rights publishes a tileset and licenses it under CC-By-SA to a person in country B without database rights?  The second

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 00:40, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I am not trying to apply patents to OSM. I am trying to use the example of patents to prove to you that your reasoning either something is CC-BY-SA or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Rob Myers
On 17/06/11 15:39, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 1. IIRC the newer versions of CC-By-SA include statements to ensure that the content is not protected by database rights, patents or DRM, which would prevent their uses. Does that mean that only the older licenses can be used for produced works?

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread Kate Chapman
Hi Frederik, Yes I agree that the arm chair mapping isn't the best method of collection. Though in some areas it will be difficult to ever have mappers on the ground without imagery. The cost of a GPS is prohibitive in many places. I've been working with some rural areas in Indonesia and it

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 01:18, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hi Frederik, Yes I agree that the arm chair mapping isn't the best method of collection.  Though in some areas it will be difficult to ever have mappers on the ground without imagery.  The cost of a GPS is prohibitive in many

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 01:46, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Let me try copyright-only examples. I can take up the full text of all of the works of William Shakespeare, compile it into a book with annotations, and release the book under CC-BY-SA. Now since the original text by

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/17/11 17:18, Kate Chapman wrote: Yes I agree that the arm chair mapping isn't the best method of collection. Though in some areas it will be difficult to ever have mappers on the ground without imagery. The cost of a GPS is prohibitive in many places. Oh I wasn't referring to any

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:07 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 01:46, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Let me try copyright-only examples. I can take up the full text of all of the works of William Shakespeare, compile it into a book with annotations,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Rob Myers
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:07 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Then you have a whole other argument over what constitutes a produced work and so on. It's a novel concept, to be sure. but if you want to understand it better you can always ask the licence's authors on odc-discuss.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 02:26, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you're going to get clear answers about these specific cases. It will take a court decision to provide precedent rulings on such things. Well the copyright side of things seems pretty simple, especially if people

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 02:40, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:07 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Then you have a whole other argument over what constitutes a produced work and so on. It's a novel concept, to be sure. but if you want to understand it

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread Kate Chapman
Right, what I was trying to propose was if making imagery available would spark community in some places. Kate On Jun 17, 2011 12:23 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 06/17/11 17:18, Kate Chapman wrote: Yes I agree that the arm chair mapping isn't the best method of

Re: [OSM-talk] Something between a changeset and a comment

2011-06-17 Thread yvecai
A xml extract of the changeset of the user would be great :) Maybe heavy? Yves On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Dear All, Have you ever wondered about a changeset comment from a particular mapper, but found that browsing through a changeset was a little

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread yvecai
Not so badly mapped, but Switzerland seriously lack of images (except the R-Pod project). Given the currency rate, it may not be the good year to buy ortho from SwissTopo. I wouldn't call that a priority though. Yves On 16. 06. 11 23:09, Steve Coast wrote: Hi I'm speaking personally and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread davespod
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Let me try copyright-only examples. I can take up the full text of all of the works of William Shakespeare, compile it into a book with annotations, and release the book under CC-BY-SA. Now since the original text by Shakespeare is already in the public domain, I

Re: [OSM-talk] SOS. no green area in map using StyleSheet mapnik

2011-06-17 Thread yvecai
With Mapnik, you'll need the complete polygon in your datasource to render it. Maybe you can find some help here: http://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/mapnik-users Yves On 17. 06. 11 09:32, Saphy Mo wrote: Hallo, I used Mapnik and osm.xml as default StyleSheet. There are not any green

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread Matthias Julius
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com schrieb: I'm speaking personally and there are no guarantees here but I'd like to get input on what areas you would like Bing to prioritise for aerial and/or satellite imagery in the coming year. Large areas of Switzerland have pretty low resolution. A couple

Re: [OSM-talk] bulk_upload.py consistently results in 500 server error

2011-06-17 Thread KKL Import
Can somebody please help? How come a perfectly legal osmChange, containing just a single way, is being rejected time and again? I attach the HTTP traffic captured by wireshark. Thank you, dimka From: kkl_imp...@hotmail.com To: nice...@att.net; talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011

[OSM-talk] bulk_upload.py consistently results in 500 server error

2011-06-17 Thread KKL Import
Hi all, I am doing a large upload (~600k nodes, ~4k ways, 280 relations) using the bulk_upload.py script. Up to some point everything was fine, all the nodes got uploaded, and also half of the ways, but then it started to return the 500 Internal Server Error message. Attached

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] active contributor

2011-06-17 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Am 17.06.2011 20:47, schrieb Richard Weait: 3) Hypothetically, a contributor could upload gpx tracks and never edit. [...] I think 3) could be valuable, but is not necessarily a contributor. Does anybody know if there are any accounts / users in category 3? while a holiday last year i

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] application of ODBL to an extarct of OSM obtained via jxapi

2011-06-17 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] application of ODBL to an extarct of OSM obtained via jxapi On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:16 -0500, Toby Murray wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:19 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: when all the nearmap-derived data is removed It seems like you missed an email a couple of days ago? Current NearMap derived data does not need to be removed

Re: [OSM-talk] transparent road layer

2011-06-17 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Thanks for the summary. On 16 June 2011 16:32, Rob Truxler rtrux...@gmail.com wrote: geoiq has a nice road layer that is very simple, no icons, just white roads with legible labels. Depending on your application, the simplicity of the acetate road layer can be appealing:

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread Hendrik Oesterlin
Steve Coast wrote on 17/06/2011 at 08:09:37 +1100 subject [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities : I'm speaking personally and there are no guarantees here but I'd like to get input on what areas you would like Bing to prioritise for aerial and/or satellite imagery in the coming year.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] ODbL fase 4 aanstaande zondag

2011-06-17 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
In plaats van hakken in het zand zoek ik liever met anderen naar een constructieve omgang. Maar het zijn altijd dezelfden die een constructieve omgang zoeken, namelijk de mensen met een bepaalde passie voor het vak/de hobby met een redelijke instelling of, -zoals ik het liever zeg- door de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] ODbL fase 4 aanstaande zondag

2011-06-17 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Dank je Henk. Er is een fundamenteel verschil van appreciatie met de gang van zaken tussen ons. Jij ziet de zaken vanuit het perspectief van het resultaat (voor OSM). Ik zie het vanuit de gang van zaken voor de community. Het huidige OSMF is dusdanig pragmatisch dat het werkelijk elk

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] ODbL fase 4 aanstaande zondag

2011-06-17 Thread Frank Steggink
Gert, Jij wilt een argument voor de ODbL en tegen de CC? CC is bedoeld als licentie voor zaken waarop _auteursrecht_ berust. Dat geldt niet voor _data_, aangezien hier geen _creatieve_ inspanning geleverd hoeft te worden. (Vandaar 'creative' in Creative Commons). De huidige situatie betekent

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] ODbL fase 4 aanstaande zondag

2011-06-17 Thread Frank Steggink
Gert, Ik ga toch maar happen. Zie inline. Frank On 11-06-17 08:51 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Oh ja henk je vroeg om een verklarinen Zie inline *Van:*Henk Hoff [mailto:toffeh...@gmail.com] *Verzonden:* vrijdag 17 juni 2011 19:08 *Aan:* OpenStreetMap NL

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] ODbL fase 4 aanstaande zondag

2011-06-17 Thread Henk Hoff
Tsja, wat moet ik daar allemaal op antwoorden. Ik laat het even bij deze vraag: Heb je één argument behalve “niet werk” en “uit de voeten” Ja hoor, meerdere. Lees ze na op http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Why_CC_BY-SA_is_Unsuitable Gr, Henk H.

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: The goal of that statement was to allow any contributions that have been derived from our PhotoMaps under our current licence (which is what imposes the CC-BY-SA redistribution condition) can remain in the OSM db.  Not being

Re: [talk-au] rationalising administrative boundaries

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:42 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: That is the reason why very little effort has been expended mapping Australia lately, until we know what skeleton of data we'll have left to work with after the changeover. If you want to map for OSM at the moment,

Re: [talk-au] rationalising administrative boundaries

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 June 2011 18:38, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:42 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: That is the reason why very little effort has been expended mapping Australia lately, until we know what skeleton of data we'll have left to work with

[talk-au] Nearmap will still be very useful.

2011-06-17 Thread Nick Hocking
Since (for the areas it covers) Nearmap is likely to be to most up-to-date imagery available, we can use it to spot where new roads have sprung up in towns that do not currently have an active mapper driving around. We can then schedule a trip to said town to remedy the situation. For other

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmal Kindle

2011-06-17 Thread Philip Gillißen
Hallo Jens! Danke für die Überlegungen, die du angestellt hast, finde ich sehr wichtig. Vielleicht hilft das diesem etwas verrückten Projektchen weiter. Jens Poenisch wrote: Navigation über Inhaltsverzeichnis ist möglich, ebenso natürlich Vorwärts-/Rückwärtsblättern - wir benötigen aber 4

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderwegeverlauf und Kartenwerk der Landesvermessung

2011-06-17 Thread Sven Geggus
Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Langer Rede kurzer Sinn: ich würde keine der Marken, Bildmarken oder Wort-/Bildmarken in einer Karte, Legende oder irgendwas ähnliches verwenden, und genauso natürlich auch Logos von anderen Organsisationen nicht, auch wenn die vielleicht es nicht ganz so

[Talk-de] Refreshzyklen von OpenCycleMap

2011-06-17 Thread Dennie Reinhold
Hallo allerseits, kurze Frage bzgl. der Refresh-zyklen von OpenCycleMap. Laut Theorie aktualisiert OCM die Kacheln innerhalb a few days; jedoch präferiert nach der Nutzungsintensität der einzelnen Kacheln. Nun habe ich aber mittlerweile zwei Radrouten im Süden Deutschlands schon vor ca. einem

Re: [Talk-de] Refreshzyklen von OpenCycleMap

2011-06-17 Thread Simon Poole
Deine Erfahrungen decken sich mit meinen (schon das ganze Jahr), hab auch schon 2 Monate gewartet bevor etwas auf irgendeinem Zoomlevel gerendert wurde, mehrere Wochen ist der Normalfall (und auf allen Stufen kanns man eh vergessen). Was auch typisch ist, ist dass wenn gerendert wird, es mit

Re: [Talk-de] Refreshzyklen von OpenCycleMap

2011-06-17 Thread Dennie Reinhold
Danke Simon. Ich habe indes sogar das Gefühl, OCM sei in den letzten beiden Wochen nochmals langsamer geworden als zuvor schon. Fürs Radln benutze ich gerne meine iPhone+GeoGuide-Kombination. Mit letzterem kann man im Voraus einer Tour die entsprechenden Kacheln herunterladen (was eben schnell

Re: [Talk-de] Refreshzyklen von OpenCycleMap

2011-06-17 Thread Simon Poole
Am 17.06.2011 14:19, schrieb Dennie Reinhold: Danke Simon. Ich habe indes sogar das Gefühl, OCM sei in den letzten beiden Wochen nochmals langsamer geworden als zuvor schon. Fürs Radln benutze ich gerne meine iPhone+GeoGuide-Kombination. Mit letzterem kann man im Voraus einer Tour die

[Talk-de] JOSM: Paralleler Weg

2011-06-17 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
hi ! hat einer von Euch schon mit der aktellen Version einen parallelen Weg erzeugen können ?? Habe 4138 gezogen und in den News wird Umschalt+P dafür aufgeführt - im Pull-Down ist das aber noch für Objekte Teilen (Werkzeuge 2) reserviert. Gruß Jan :-)

Re: [Talk-de] Refreshzyklen von OpenCycleMap

2011-06-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 17. Juni 2011 14:19 schrieb Dennie Reinhold rhinh...@googlemail.com: Ich habe indes sogar das Gefühl, OCM sei in den letzten beiden Wochen nochmals langsamer geworden als zuvor schon. Fürs Radln benutze ich gerne meine iPhone+GeoGuide-Kombination. Mit letzterem kann man im Voraus einer

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Paralleler Weg

2011-06-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 17. Juni 2011 15:38 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net:  hi ! hat einer von Euch schon mit der aktellen Version einen parallelen Weg erzeugen können ?? Habe 4138 gezogen und in den News wird Umschalt+P dafür aufgeführt - im Pull-Down ist das aber noch für Objekte Teilen

[Talk-de] Karten-Navigation auf dem Kindle

2011-06-17 Thread Wolfgang Barth
Kay hat mit der Karte auf: http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/tile/11/1275/935/ exakt das entdeckt, was auf dem Kindle Sinn machen würde. Danke für die Mühe. Ich habe dies mal mit dem Kindle-Internet-Browser über WiFi aufgerufen und das ist ganz ok und ist dann sogar navigierbar. Nur

Re: [Talk-de] Wie Kartenbereich aus API-Export rendern

2011-06-17 Thread Manuel Reimer
Wolfgang wrote: In der 1.7 funktionieren sie gerade dann. Tatsache... Funktioniert schon erstaunlich gut. Man kann mit einem kleinen OSM-Export in mehreren Schritten mit direktem Feedback relativ ordentliche Kartenstile erstellen... Was mich noch etwas stört: Die Straßenbreiten haben feste

[Talk-de] Hinweis: mein Account könnte möglicher weiße von fremden missbraucht worden sein

2011-06-17 Thread Michael Florian Schönitzer
Hallo Mapper, nur als Hinweis: Ich habe gerade erschrocken festgestellt das das Passwort meines Accounts (User tixuwuoz) auf Grund eines Softwarefehlers meinerseits seit langer Zeit öffentlich im Netz einsehbar war. Ich habe das Passwort geändert und den Fehler behoben, da ich jedoch zu viele

Re: [Talk-de] OpenCycleMap als garmin image fertig zum DL?

2011-06-17 Thread fla...@googlemail.com
Schick mir mal die Datei ggf kann ich da was machen. Dirk Am 15. Juni 2011 13:14 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Lars Schimmer l.schim...@cgv.tugraz.at wrote: (die AllInOne nutz ich gerade, aber die ist nicht speziell genug fürs Radfahren). Ich habe noch irgendwo eine

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderwegeverlauf und Kartenwerk der Landesvermessung

2011-06-17 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Am 17.06.2011 00:03, schrieb Simon Poole: Ich hab mir mal kurz die Mühe gemacht und eine Markenrecherche in FR gemacht. Der Wanderverband ist recht fleissig in Markeneintragen, was aber wohl relevant ist, ist die französische Marke 3283810. Bildmarke: rotes Quadrat mit weissem GR. Eingetragen

[Talk-de] Einbahnstrasse

2011-06-17 Thread Wolfgang Wienke
Hallo! Bin zu blöd, wie seih man nochmals in JOSM die Richtung einer oneway-Spur? -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen Wolfgang Wienke ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

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