Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rencontre autour d'OpenStreetMap à Ramonville

2016-07-25 Thread Ludovic Hirlimann
Y a une liste plus toulousaine aussi tu leur a envoyé le message ? 2016-07-25 19:08 GMT+02:00 Hélène PETIT : > L'association Le-Pic de Ramonville organise sa première réunion d'échange > orientée "Contribuer à OpenStreetMap". > Vous n'avez jamais contribué, et vous voulez savoir à

Re: [talk-au] Errors in rendering names of administrative boundaries

2016-07-25 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 25/07/2016 08:14, cleary wrote: I have noticed errors in rendering names of administrative boundaries on the OSM website map. It is not just Australian boundaries. For example http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/48.99957/-110.00728shows Canada and United States on the reverse sides of

Re: [Talk-es] Academias de clases particulares

2016-07-25 Thread Rodrigo Rega
Yo he usado amenity=training [1], actualmente está en propuesta. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/training El 26/07/2016 00:32, "Rafael Avila Coya" escribió: > Hola a todos/as: > > Alguien sabe cómo se deberían etiquetar academias de clases

Re: [OSM-talk] Go Map!: Mobile mapping on iOS

2016-07-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 26 July 2016 at 01:51, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I can't speak to the qualities of Go Map! but I think your review should > also mention the fact that this is proprietary software - it doesn't > cost anything but you can't look at the source. In that, it is different > from

Re: [OSM-talk] Go Map!: Mobile mapping on iOS

2016-07-25 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
2016-07-25 20:32 GMT-03:00 Matthijs Melissen : > Hi all, > > I always used to be quite sceptical about mobile mapping applications. > Due to the small screen size and lack of a mouse pointer, mobile > mapping seemed clumsy and error-prone. For me, collecting data in the >

Re: [OSM-talk] Go Map!: Mobile mapping on iOS

2016-07-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/26/2016 01:32 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > I'd recommend every iOS user to give the application at least a try. I can't speak to the qualities of Go Map! but I think your review should also mention the fact that this is proprietary software - it doesn't cost anything but you can't

[OSM-talk] Go Map!: Mobile mapping on iOS

2016-07-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, I always used to be quite sceptical about mobile mapping applications. Due to the small screen size and lack of a mouse pointer, mobile mapping seemed clumsy and error-prone. For me, collecting data in the field and then adding it on a personal computer with JOSM was the way to go.

Re: [Talk-es] Gestor de tareas OSM-es (era: Fuentes de Madrid)

2016-07-25 Thread Rafael Avila Coya
Gracias, Alejandro! En cuanto a los scripts, aún estoy esperando respuesta... Rafael. On 25/07/16 11:10, Alejandro S. wrote: Ahora solo falta que vuelva a funcionar :( Disculpad las molestias pero parece que estamos teniendo algún problema con la máquina en cuestión. Saludos, Alejandro

Re: [talk-au] Errors in rendering names of administrative boundaries

2016-07-25 Thread Jason Ward
Hi cleary, OpenStreetMap carto would be the best place for checking whether this is a known issue and loving it if it isn't. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto On Mon, 25 Jul 2016, 5:15 PM cleary wrote: > > I have noticed errors in rendering names of

Re: [Talk-it] Segnalare sentiero interrotto

2016-07-25 Thread Daniele Cortesi
Dopo un bel po' di tentativi dovrei essere riuscito a ripristinare la modifica. Ho lasciato i tag mtb, anche se penso vadano rimossi, che ne dite? al momento: ford=yes layer=1 man_made=bridge mtb:scale:uphill=5 mtb:scale=3 source=survey surface=ground Ciao, dan Il giorno 25 luglio 2016 17:48,

[OSM-co] Taller de GeoPython - IPGH

2016-07-25 Thread hyan...@gmail.com
Estimada comunidad: Nos escriben en el grupo de Telegram sobre este interesante taller: Luis Cano Buenas a todos, comparto con ustedes este Taller sobre GeoPython que se va a dictar este dia jueves completamente gratis y que puede ser de interés para varios

Re: [Talk-es] Asociación OSM España

2016-07-25 Thread Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
Vuelvo a escribir sobre el tema retomando el mensaje de Santiago Higuera en el otro hilo de la lista [1] en el que proponía: 1. entregar los papeles a una gestoría especializada en ONGs --> A mi me parece genial que haya alguien que nos pueda echar una mano y entre todos podríamos asumir un

Re: [Talk-cz] mokřad u Židlochovic

2016-07-25 Thread Marián Kyral
Ahoj, Dne 25.7.2016 v 15:52 Karel Volný napsal(a): > zdar, > > na něco jsem koukal, a všiml jsem si, že se nám objevil mokřad u > Židlochovic[1] ačkoliv tedy ortofoto podklad v iD se ještě neaktualizoval > (a mimochodem žádný dobrovolník neuzavřel příslušnou poznámku[2]) > > tak jsem koukl do

Re: [Talk-GB] Complicated opening hours

2016-07-25 Thread Jack Page
You may be right that using week numbers is a better way of encoding this information. This is an inherent issue with using the SH qualifier in opening hours: the school holidays can differ even in the same LA sometimes with private schools and academies which means unless I hardcode in the week

[Talk-ca] Statistics Canada

2016-07-25 Thread Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)
John and colleagues, Many thanks for offering your help. We will definitely need it! We are trying to develop an efficient way to import municipal open data (building footprint) for the municipality of Ottawa and Gatineau. We are in discussion with both municipalities and based on OSM previous

Re: [Talk-GB] Complicated opening hours

2016-07-25 Thread Amaroussi (OpenStreetMap)
What about “Apr 01-Oct 31 We,Sa,Su,PH 14:00-17:00; Jul 01-Sep 30 SH 14:00-17:00”? Source: http://openingh.openstreetmap.de/evaluation_tool/?EXP=Apr%2001-Oct%2031%20We%2CSa%2CSu%2CPH%2014%3A00-17%3A00%3B%20Jul%2001-Sep%2030%20SH%2014%3A00-17%3A00=146765934=48.7769=9.1844=0 (sorry, cryptic

Re: [Talk-GB] Complicated opening hours

2016-07-25 Thread Jack Page
That seems reasonable to me. It is a shame there is no official implementation for this but I guess holidays aren't parsed that often anyway and this is quite a niche case to warrant changing the scheme. I will implement this for now and yes I will probably extend summer to June and September (I

Re: [Talk-GB] Complicated opening hours

2016-07-25 Thread Marc Gemis
My thoughts: > Is there a way to specify only bank holidays between April and October > (rather than every bank holiday at once)? Apr-Oct PH 14:00-17:00 > Is there a way to specify only Summer school holidays (rather than all > school holidays at once)? Jul-Aug SH 14:00-17:00 (Perhaps you

[Talk-GB] Complicated opening hours

2016-07-25 Thread Jack Page
Hi all, I am trying to tag the opening hours for the museum in Burnham on Crouch, Essex, however it is proving quite complicated. This is the quote explaining the opening hours from their website: 2.00pm until 5.00pm Wednesdays Saturdays Sundays and Bank Holidays from > April to the end of

Re: [Talk-ca] New project with OSM at Statistics Canada

2016-07-25 Thread Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)
Hi James, We are working in partnerships with both municipalities of Ottawa and Gatineau. So far, Ottawa has given us two files. One is a large buildings file available through their open data portal. It contains about 16 000 building footprints. The other is a larger file with over 300 000

Re: [Talk-ca] Mapping turn restrictions in Canada

2016-07-25 Thread Andrew MacKinnon
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Manohar Erikipati wrote: > Hey there, > Today we mapped 76 turn restrictions in Canada. You can follow the project > tracker here(https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/213) and get involved. > We have across signage with text we are not so

[Talk-ca] New project at Statistics Canada / Nouveau projet à Statistique Canada

2016-07-25 Thread Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)
Hello everyone, Thanks for the many feedback. We really look forward to working with the OSM community. As mentioned by some, working with an online community is a new undertaking for our agency. There is a lot of learning involved (for us) but we are confident we can make a valuable

[Talk-ca] Mapping turn restrictions in Canada

2016-07-25 Thread Manohar Erikipati
Hey there, Today we mapped 76 turn restrictions in Canada. You can follow the project tracker here(https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/213) and get involved. We have across signage with text we are not so sure about, it would great if canadian mappers clarify us on these. 1(

[OSM-co] Datos SITP

2016-07-25 Thread Andres Gomez Casanova
| | | Saludos a todos,   Después de nuestra conversación del viernes sobre los datos libres y no libres que se han subido a OSM, les comparto lo que he visto para identificar datos del SITP que parece que procedieran de fuentes no libres.   Consulta Overpass-turbo:  

[OSM-talk-fr] Rencontre autour d'OpenStreetMap à Ramonville

2016-07-25 Thread Hélène PETIT
L'association Le-Pic de Ramonville organise sa première réunion d'échange orientée "Contribuer à OpenStreetMap". Vous n'avez jamais contribué, et vous voulez savoir à quoi ça ressemble ? Vous contribuez déjà ? dans le Lauragais ? à Toulouse ? à propos de la circulation à vélo ? et vous voulez

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] pokestops

2016-07-25 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Rory McCann wrote on 2016/07/25 15:52: On 25/07/16 15:45, os...@tutanota.com wrote: With an "We've all been there" follow up question. When you say delete them, do you mean just go in and select the nodes and delete or is there a better way to handle it? You can just delete the nodes, yes. In

Re: [Talk-it] Segnalare sentiero interrotto

2016-07-25 Thread Volker Schmidt
Da considerare anche il guado (ford=yes) 2016-07-25 17:42 GMT+02:00 Daniele Cortesi : > Ops... Capisco il senso dell'errore e ho capito che "non si mappa per il > rendering" :D > > Per evitare di farne un altro: per rimettere il ponte esiste un "revert" o > lo ricreo con le

Re: [Talk-it] Segnalare sentiero interrotto

2016-07-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-07-25 17:44 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt : > Non si mappa per il renderer, va bene, ma non dimentichiamo l'utente > finale dei dati. Non tutti utilizzano routing, c'è anche gente che utilizza > mappe su schermo o carta. si, sicuramente non ci deve più stare un highway=* a

Re: [Talk-it] Segnalare sentiero interrotto

2016-07-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-07-25 17:42 GMT+02:00 Daniele Cortesi : > per rimettere il ponte esiste un "revert" o lo ricreo con le stesse > caratteristiche? meglio utilizzare l'oggetto vecchio. Lo puoi trovare nel tuo changeset con il quale hai cancellato, prendi l'id del way, poi con "undelete

Re: [Talk-it] Segnalare sentiero interrotto

2016-07-25 Thread Volker Schmidt
Non si mappa per il renderer, va bene, ma non dimentichiamo l'utente finale dei dati. Non tutti utilizzano routing, c'è anche gente che utilizza mappe su schermo o carta. Parlando da utente, ed essendo più volte cascato in casi simili, dove un'apparente strada/sentiero/... era in realtà

Re: [Talk-it] Segnalare sentiero interrotto

2016-07-25 Thread Daniele Cortesi
Ops... Capisco il senso dell'errore e ho capito che "non si mappa per il rendering" :D Per evitare di farne un altro: per rimettere il ponte esiste un "revert" o lo ricreo con le stesse caratteristiche? Non è meglio aspettare di individuare il tag corretto per evitare di lasciare una situazione

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Sentiers de Grande Randonnee

2016-07-25 Thread joost schouppe
Well that is good news. But not for mapping, as their conditions of use clearly state: "Toute copie du matériel présent sur le site Web, sur lequel nous détenons les droits de propriété intellectuelle, est autorisée uniquement aux fins d’information dans la sphère privée et personnelle. Toute

Re: [OSM-ja] 歩道のマッピング

2016-07-25 Thread Satoshi IIDA
いいだです。 とりまとめありがとうございます。 面白い試みだなー、と思っています。 一点、いうまでもないことかもですが、こうした詳細マッピングは、 そのあまりの量の膨大さに、初心者のかたがひるんでしまう(「えっここまでやるの?」)ことがあるのかな、というのを懸念しています。 (大量の情報を見て、面白がるひとと、引くひとがいるよね、程度の感覚です) なので、松竹梅ではないですが、 「まずはこのへんを意識して書いてみる(第一段階。道路と歩道を別に書いてみる)」という初歩段階があって、そこから、 「交差点、踏切の書き方」以降の情報が並んでるような構成になってるとよいのかな、と思っています。

[OSM-talk-be] Sentiers de Grande Randonnee

2016-07-25 Thread Bart Vanherck
Today I saw an article of groteroutepaden.be on facebook: "We wachten er al jaren op! We kregen er al talloze vragen over. Maar eindelijk is het zover! Je kan de gpx tracks van de Waalse GR-paden nu ook vrij downloaden op de website vangrsentiers.org.

Re: [OSM-ja] 歩道のマッピング

2016-07-25 Thread Shu Higashi
東です。 >>本家wikiページの日本語版を(誰かが)作って >>そこからリンクする形かな。 > できたらリンクではなく、wikiページに日本版として直接記載していただけたらと思います。 > 東様の個人ページではやはり勝手に書き換えることが憚られますので。 はい。個人エリアからはいずれ移します。 >>縁石 > すみません。 > 提案ではbarrier=kerbを付けるということになっていますね。見落としていました。 > このプロジェクトとの関係はわかりませんが、オーストリアでのマッピング事例です。 > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/huo

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] attributive data enrichment using OSM

2016-07-25 Thread Stefan Jäger
Thanks you Simon for your views. Unfortunately disclosing any of the data is not an option, because it's clearly not allowed, be it a centroid or the polygon. Actually I was using this discussion list because I want to openly discuss such problems. However, I have the impression it is rather

Re: [Talk-it] Segnalare sentiero interrotto

2016-07-25 Thread Andrea Lattmann
>Ho provveduto a rimuovere il ponte dalla >mappa ma mi pare poco evidente che >il >sentiero è interrotto. Hai sbagliato a togliere il ponte. Credo che un ruin=yes sarebbe stato meglio, o comunque un tag che ne descriveva lo stato. >C'è possibilità di renderlo più evidente? Non si mappa per

[Talk-cz] mokřad u Židlochovic

2016-07-25 Thread Karel Volný
zdar, na něco jsem koukal, a všiml jsem si, že se nám objevil mokřad u Židlochovic[1] ačkoliv tedy ortofoto podklad v iD se ještě neaktualizoval (a mimochodem žádný dobrovolník neuzavřel příslušnou poznámku[2]) tak jsem koukl do changesetu[3], a zaujal mě obsah imagery_used ... jestli to tahá

Re: [Talk-it] Segnalare sentiero interrotto

2016-07-25 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
In genere non si mappa per il rendering, per cui al limite allontanerei di una ventina di mt gli ultimi nodi dei due sentieri, in modo che chi eventualmente stampa le tile OSM a zoom 15 riesca a notare l'interruzione. Per i routers ovviamente il problema visuale non sussiste. Affrontando piu

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] pokestops

2016-07-25 Thread Rory McCann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/07/16 15:45, os...@tutanota.com wrote: > That was quick. :) I had my email open > With an "We've all been there" follow up question. When you say > delete them, do you mean just go in and select the nodes and delete > or is there a better way

[Talk-us] OSM Mapping Party in the News

2016-07-25 Thread Clifford Snow
Steve, My hat off to you on getting your mapping party published. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/mapping-a-city-and-telling-its-story/2016/07/24/905dd6d0-4c40-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] pokestops

2016-07-25 Thread osmie
25. Jul 2016 13:38 by r...@technomancy.org > Delete them. Pokestops do not belong in OSM. They are bad edits. I've > left a changeset comment. It looks like a new mapper who probably > don't know any better. We've all been there. > That was quick.    With an "We've all been there" follow up

[OSM-talk-ie] pokestops

2016-07-25 Thread osmie
What is the protocol for edits like this? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41001116 ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie

Re: [Talk-it] Guado

2016-07-25 Thread emmexx
On 07/25/2016 02:32 PM, Andrea Albani wrote: > Io metterei ford=yes in ogni caso, sia per un nodo che per una way da > spezzare in corrispondenza della riva. > > Il dettaglio di come è fatto fisicamente lo si può aggiungere con surface=*. > > Se vuoi usare una way spezzata non mi farei troppi

[Talk-it] Segnalare sentiero interrotto

2016-07-25 Thread Daniele Cortesi
Ciao a tutti, breve intro: mi chiamo Daniele sono della provincia di Como e da pochissimo iscritto a questa lista, spero di non fare gaffe colossali con la mia domanda. Uso openstreetmap da un po' e quando posso mappo qualche pezzo. Domanda: ho percorso un sentiero di montagna, segnalato su

Re: [Talk-it] Guado

2016-07-25 Thread Andrea Albani
Io metterei ford=yes in ogni caso, sia per un nodo che per una way da spezzare in corrispondenza della riva. Il dettaglio di come è fatto fisicamente lo si può aggiungere con surface=*. Se vuoi usare una way spezzata non mi farei troppi problemi se non c'è riverbank perchè, oltre a non essere

Re: [OSM-ja] 歩道のマッピング

2016-07-25 Thread tomoya muramoto
>本家wikiページの日本語版を(誰かが)作って >そこからリンクする形かな。 できたらリンクではなく、wikiページに日本版として直接記載していただけたらと思います。 東様の個人ページではやはり勝手に書き換えることが憚られますので。 >縁石 すみません。 提案ではbarrier=kerbを付けるということになっていますね。見落としていました。 このプロジェクトとの関係はわかりませんが、オーストリアでのマッピング事例です。 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/huo muramoto 2016年7月25日 13:19 Shu Higashi

[OSM-talk-fr] Rencontre parisienne 28 juillet 2016

2016-07-25 Thread Donat ROBAUX
Bonjour à tous, Nous nous retrouvons pour ceux qui sont là ce jeudi 28 juillet à 19h30 à la FPH. La suite et les discussions sur le forum IdF. Donat ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Uithoorn

2016-07-25 Thread Sebastiaan Couwenberg
On 07/25/2016 01:32 PM, Ante Wessels wrote: > Ik reed laatst het dorpje binnen waar ik geboren ben, Uithoorn, en merkte dat > de rondweg waar tientallen jaren over gepraat is warempel aangelegd is > (N201+). > > Hij staat als ontwerp in OSM. Nu heb ik al tien jaar geen OSM editor meer >

Re: [Talk-cz] PID na transit.land

2016-07-25 Thread Jethro
Ad trasy linek: pokud to generuje ty trasy z shapes.txt, tak je to dost tristní a na mnohých místech ujeté (a neví to o novém trojském mostě ;-) ). Rovněž polohy zastávek jsou od skutečných míst občas dost vzdálené, takže to na sebe s OSM nebude úplně přesně pasovat. Ale lepší než drátem do oka.

[OSM-talk-nl] Uithoorn

2016-07-25 Thread Ante Wessels
Hoi, Ik reed laatst het dorpje binnen waar ik geboren ben, Uithoorn, en merkte dat de rondweg waar tientallen jaren over gepraat is warempel aangelegd is (N201+). Hij staat als ontwerp in OSM. Nu heb ik al tien jaar geen OSM editor meer gebruikt, dus als iemand anders de status wil

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] attributive data enrichment using OSM

2016-07-25 Thread Stefan Jäger
OK, I am afraid that this renders impossible using OSM data for my use case. I appreciate the comments from everybody. Stefan > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Christoph Hormann [mailto:chris_horm...@gmx.de] > Gesendet: Montag, 25. Juli 2016 09:43 > An: Licensing and other legal

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Grootschalige luchtfoto's

2016-07-25 Thread Sander Deryckere
Ik zie in ieder geval nergens een addertje. Het is vrijgegeven onder de open licentie die we al gebruiken voor onze andere luchtfoto's. Het enige probleem is idd dat de foto's waarschijnlijk snel verouderd zullen raken (als ze niet ieder jaar vernieuwd worden). Dus gaan we geen "beste" foto's

Re: [Talk-it] Semi OT - bus, pokemon e gtfs

2016-07-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-07-25 0:13 GMT+02:00 totera : > Da qualche giorno la regione Marche ha rilasciato i dati GTFS. [1] > Che uso è possibile farne, vista la licenza scelta (CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 IT)? > Non > è possibile importare le fermate in OSM, giusto? > non ci puoi fare niente con una licenza

Re: [Talk-it] Confini amministrativi invertiti nel rendering di OSM

2016-07-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-07-25 10:04 GMT+02:00 Paolo Monegato : > Boh... francamente non mi so spiegare la cosa. c'è un bug che lo crea (forse risolto). Non ho trovato il bug adesso, ma sono sicuro che se n'è parlato non troppo tempo fa.

Re: [Talk-it] Semi OT - bus, pokemon e gtfs

2016-07-25 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
> wheelchair=yes non wheelmap :) Grazie... Ma é tutta colpa di JOSM che mi corregge sempre e per pigrizia ora non mi ricordo neanche il tag per l'acqua potabile. Drink? Drinkable? Drunk? :-) Uh! Aspetta! Ma sarà nica quel subnolo correttore dello smartphone che mi ha tradito?!

Re: [Talk-it] Semi OT - bus, pokemon e gtfs

2016-07-25 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
Il 25/lug/2016 00:15 "totera" > Da qualche giorno la regione Marche ha rilasciato i dati GTFS. [1] > Che uso è possibile farne, vista la licenza scelta (CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 IT)? Non > è possibile importare le fermate in OSM, giusto? Credo di no, ma vi sono esperti di licenze in ML. Mi chiedo cos'é

Re: [Talk-it] Confini amministrativi invertiti nel rendering di OSM

2016-07-25 Thread Paolo Monegato
Il 23/07/2016 06:52, mircozorzo ha scritto: Nel rendering standard di openstreetmap.org, in quello umanitario è corretto. Ho dato un'occhiata e mi pare ci sia lo stesso errore anche in altri punti... Credevo che qualcuno avesse inavvertitamente invertito il senso del confine, ma mi pare che

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] attributive data enrichment using OSM

2016-07-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 25 July 2016, Stefan Jäger wrote: > > "Viral aspects" like Martin puts it, sound a bit like a disease :-) The connotation of the term 'viral' has changed quite a bit. Viral marketing for example has - at least for those initiating it - a quite positive appeal. > However, If I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] attributive data enrichment using OSM

2016-07-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/25/2016 09:05 AM, Stefan Jäger wrote: > That, in turn, means, any data put together using also OSM data, that is not > publicly accessible, but only in internal networks, can be produced? In the terms of ODbL, "publicly" means (quote) "to Persons other than You or under Your control

[talk-au] Errors in rendering names of administrative boundaries

2016-07-25 Thread cleary
I have noticed errors in rendering names of administrative boundaries on the OSM website map. It is not just Australian boundaries. For example http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/48.99957/-110.00728shows Canada and United States on the reverse sides of their shared boundary. I had