Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK

2011-04-12 Thread Chris Hill
On 12/04/11 09:38, Peter Miller wrote: The general conclusion of the discussion above was that where maxspeed=60mph is applied to a single carriageway road there is also a default 'maxspeed:type=GB:unrestricted' (or whatever value is decided on). This default (and the one for 70mph for

Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK

2011-04-09 Thread Chris Hill
On 09/04/11 08:20, Peter Miller wrote: On 9 April 2011 08:15, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com mailto:peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: On 6 April 2011 16:53, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk mailto:e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Richard wrote: I'd put the number for

Re: [OSM-talk] Sports club

2011-04-07 Thread Chris Hill
On 07/04/11 21:29, John-Michael Wiley wrote: I was trying to map a plaza today and I wanted to enter in a new node for a Sport club (workout facility with weights, fitness classes, tennis courts, etc…) I looked around the local area for other such facilities and the only one I could find had

Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK

2011-04-06 Thread Chris Hill
On 06/04/11 14:22, Peter Miller wrote: Do we have a preference for tagging unrestricted limits in the UK? I say that because a section of the A1 is beginning to look a bit war damaged (as in edit war). It started with maxspeed=national. I changed it to maxspeed=70 mph. Christcf then added

Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK

2011-04-06 Thread Chris Hill
On 06/04/11 15:55, Peter Miller wrote: On 6 April 2011 15:02, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: On 06/04/11 14:22, Peter Miller wrote: Do we have a preference for tagging

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-03 Thread Chris Hill
is not to be undertaken lightly. IIRC about 10% is wrong. The best data are for Hullwhere Chris Hill surveyed the lot. I have done only about 20% of Nottingham's NaPTAN stops and have a similar error rate. Unfortunately processing NaPTAN alongside primary surveying just didnt prove viable, but there are plenty

Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)

2011-03-31 Thread Chris Hill
On 31/03/11 16:49, Pieren wrote: My first intention was to ignore this message but I cannot, I refuse ignorance and fud. So again, some basic definitions: facts are nowhere in the world copyrightable, nowhere. Copyright is about creation/invention. Collections of facts are using copyright

Re: [OSM-talk] help

2011-03-28 Thread Chris Hill
On 28/03/11 18:34, Davide Venturini wrote: hi, I'm new of this list, I've just a question: I'm a mac user (snow leopard/base camp/road trip) I have already downloaded three maps form open street map web site, every time I try to install one map, the new map overwrite the previous on road trip,

[Talk-GB] Codepoint postcode layers

2011-03-22 Thread Chris Hill
I have just discovered that a new version of the OpenData CodePoint was released in February, so I have updated the layer for looking up postcodes in the editors. I have decided to force the layers to display from zoom 16 onwards which is one zoom higher than before. If that causes anyone a

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode finder based on OSM data

2011-03-16 Thread Chris Hill
On 16/03/11 19:51, Matt Williams wrote: Greetings all, For the last week I've been working on a sort of 'replacement' for the Royal Mail's postcode/address finder (you know, the one with the ~5 queries a day limit without an account) [1] but based entirely on data in the OSM database. You can

Re: [Talk-GB] OS and OSM

2011-03-11 Thread Chris Hill
at Blackadder's Society of Cartographers talk on Why OSM won't be bulk importing OS OpenData and am aware of the work Chris Hill has done on admin boundaries etc. Obviously also aware of the ITO work with OS Locator and what people have done with that. There was work on importing detailed water features

Re: [Talk-GB] Address information in MapDust bugs

2011-02-24 Thread Chris Hill
On 24/02/11 13:14, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM wrote: Recently, I have noticed a number of MapDust bugs which contain a postcode sector and, apparently, a range of housenumbers (e.g., Southdale Dr 40-98, NG4 1, GB for http://www.mapdust.com/detail/142061). There is no postcode or address

Re: [Talk-GB] B72 is a wrap

2011-02-15 Thread Chris Hill
On 15/02/11 16:42, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM wrote: I did do a little experiment some time ago (but you do need postcodes assigned to buildings): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sk53_osm/5333098864 I was going to write up some more but Chris Hill http://chris-osm.blogspot.com/2011/01/using-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-03 Thread Chris Hill
On 03/02/11 11:04, Peter Miller wrote: Fyi, ITO will soon have to give the OS £13,500 for another's years use of their ITN dataset and then additional usage and printing fees during the year. As such I really want to get to the point where we can say 'no thanks'! As I suspected, the real

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Chris Hill
On 20/01/11 23:09, Richard Bullock wrote: Please do not just add the centroid to the map. I don't see the value of that. I am interested in the experience people gain from using this data, for example to add postcodes to an address such as addr:postcode. I've added a few addr:postcode to my

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Chris Hill
On 21/01/11 09:51, Kevin Peat wrote: Hello Chris, I was wondering why you don't see any value in just adding the postcode centroids to the map? There are probably 25000+ buildings in my area so it isn't feasible for me to add them all and their addresses in less than a lifetime whereas

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Chris Hill
On 21/01/11 12:18, Kevin Peat wrote: Chris, I'll go with the flow on this, there isn't much point adding stuff to the db where there isn't a consensus. My postcode area is TQ so if you could add this to the layer that would be great, it would be useful for tagging buildings anyway. Kevin

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative Borders

2011-01-20 Thread Chris Hill
On 20/01/11 11:18, Brian Prangle wrote: Is anyone working on importing the boundaries from the shape file available from OS OpenData? Does it have ward level boundaries for major cities? I have imported parish boundaries and the county boundary in my local area. It is hard work because they

[Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-20 Thread Chris Hill
Now that people are tracing buildings from Bing etc addressing is getting more widespread, but one awkward area is postcodes. The Open data that OS released last year included the Code Point Open dataset which has the location of postcode centroids. These can help with adding postcodes to

Re: [Talk-transit] Public transport proposal

2011-01-13 Thread Chris Hill
After reading the complexity of the proposal for something as simple as a bus stop I thought I should stress something that I believe as important: Mappers are precious. There has been some discussion on IRC about this proposal and these are few of the comments: /These proposal-twiddlers

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-01-09 Thread Chris Hill
On 09/01/11 16:28, Gorm E. Johnsen wrote: Hi Today there is 5500 ways with highway=unsurfaced (Taginfo http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/highway=unsurfaced). They seem to be evenly spread over the planet and was depreciated http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Deprecated_features almost

[Talk-GB] Address list

2010-12-03 Thread Chris Hill
A new national Address list is to be created for England Wales. http://www.communities.gov.uk/news/newsroom/1786564 I suggest we lobby the Minister (Eric Pickles) and the Office of Fair Trading to get the list released under the Government's new Open Data licence. Maybe Sir Tim B-L would

Re: [Talk-GB] Address list

2010-12-03 Thread Chris Hill
On 03/12/10 12:22, Tom Hughes wrote: On 03/12/10 12:11, Chris Hill wrote: A new national Address list is to be created for England Wales. http://www.communities.gov.uk/news/newsroom/1786564 I suggest we lobby the Minister (Eric Pickles) and the Office of Fair Trading to get the list

Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-11-06 Thread Chris Hill
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Ed Avis wrote: Sure (if you accept that the street sign put up by the council is more authoritative than the Ordnance Survey's database, which actually I doubt). A quick glance at the local OS map shows me a street name that anyone in the town would know was

Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-11-05 Thread Chris Hill
Ed Avis wrote: Kevin Peat ke...@... writes: http://oscompare.raggedred.net/?zoom=15lat=50.72407lon=-3.52609layers=B0TF Three-quarters of the differences reported here are in the presence or absence of a single apostrophe. This masks the more important discrepancies and makes the report

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Thread Chris Hill
ke...@cordina.org.uk wrote: OK, so transferring data isn't as academically pleasing as gaining a GPS trace and basing a map on that, but I don't see how a road in OSM from OS data is worse than no road being present. Gathering data for OSM on the ground is so much more than just the track

Re: [Talk-GB] Coastline Tidal Positions

2010-09-16 Thread Chris Hill
Craig Loftus wrote: Which is more accurate: the OS Streetview data that shows MHW (spring, I assume) or the PGS data? I haven't used it for coast lines, but doesn't OS Vector District include the high water mark? This would be the most 'accurate', although not necessarily the most

Re: [Talk-GB] Dorset/Wilts county boundary wrong...is there adefinitive source?

2010-09-08 Thread Chris Hill
Steve Doerr wrote: *From:* Ed Loach mailto:e...@loach.me.uk *Sent:* Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:46 PM *To:* 'Steve Doerr' mailto:steve.do...@blueyonder.co.uk ; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* RE: [Talk-GB] Dorset/Wilts county boundary wrong...is there

[OSM-talk] I quit

2010-08-19 Thread Chris Hill
OK, this stupidity has gone too far. Now the 'moderator' is arguing with the trolls on a 'moderated' list. I quit this list. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2%

2010-08-18 Thread Chris Hill
David Groom wrote: - Original Message - From: Shane Reynolds shane...@gmail.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] The last 2% Hi, I am the developer who works on a number of products including OSM Analysis for ITO. I am

Re: [Talk-GB] The last 2%

2010-08-17 Thread Chris Hill
Shane Reynolds wrote: Hi, I am the developer who works on a number of products including OSM Analysis for ITO. I am slightly confused about making the OS Locator box a dashed box if the not:name tag is present. When we do the processing if any street is found with the not:name tag matching

Re: [Talk-GB] apostrophe's WAS The last 2%

2010-08-17 Thread Chris Hill
David Groom wrote: - Original Message - From: Shane Reynolds shane...@gmail.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] The last 2% Hi, I am the developer who works on a number of products including OSM Analysis for ITO. I am

Re: [Talk-GB] Yet more musical chairs updates.

2010-08-09 Thread Chris Hill
The alternative way of looking at the comparison Musical Chairs displays is to look at the ITO layer over a standard Mapnik or OSMARender layer. ITO only show the OSL comparisons that do not match OSM, so all of things Musical Chairs shows as green boxes are not shown. If this is what you

Re: [Talk-GB] Power Lines

2010-08-09 Thread Chris Hill
Graham Jones wrote: Hi All, I see that someone has been busy importing Power Lines from OS OpenData in my part of the world http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.6341lon=-1.2238zoom=14layers=M. I wondered how it was done, and if they were thinking of doing woodlands too, because we have lots

Re: [Talk-GB] Power Lines

2010-08-09 Thread Chris Hill
Graham Jones wrote: Thanks Chris, The wiki page gives nice instructions on how to convert the shapefile content into OSM format, but it is the next stage I am wondering about - how do you get that into OSM without risking messing something up. The scripts create a file intended to load into

Re: [OSM-talk] Why is this island not rendered on mapnik and osmarender maps ?

2010-08-08 Thread Chris Hill
Carsten Nielsen wrote: Why is this island not rendered on mapnik and osmarender maps ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4119119 You need to add a natural=coastline tag. Make sure the direction of the way is correct, land on the left. It will not render in Mapnik until the coastline

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Chris Hill
John Smith wrote: On 31 July 2010 02:05, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: While I follow this mailing list, I am pretty sure that many people working in the OSM ecosystem is not following the change that fast. It means that What change, I have made a suggestion and was

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread Chris Hill
John Smith wrote: On 29 July 2010 20:21, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: 1st October 2010 Gives time to get the rendering resolved. Does anyone have a problem, or see any problems, shifting the following tags into the emergency=* tag space? amenity=police -

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread Chris Hill
John Smith wrote: On 30 July 2010 02:59, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: Firstly, not all hospitals are emergency hospitals, so I think that is a bad idea. Point taken... Secondly John, you seem to have unilaterally decided to make this change, and actually implemented some

Re: [Talk-GB] A newbie question - 'What are you doing ?'

2010-07-16 Thread Chris Hill
Iain Simpson wrote: I've just started with OSM in Stafford (52.81, -2.13) and am starting by surveying my local suburb - nearly blank on the map. Yesterday I was walking down a nearby lane with my GPS - by a private residential caravan park - when the owner(?) came out and asked, quite

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing help.openstreetmap.org

2010-07-10 Thread Chris Hill
Tom Hughes wrote: I'm be pleased to be able to announce a new addition to the tools available to support the OpenStreetMap project. The new help.openstreetmap.org site is a StackOverflow style question and answer site where we can curate good answers to the questions people ask about how to

Re: [OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers

2010-07-02 Thread Chris Hill
Robin Paulson wrote: there's a mapper near me, who's very active adding data. the problem is, he's making a lot of mistakes, such as roads not joining correctly at junctions, bridges drawn as a separate parallel line to the highway they should relate to, and other fairly unambiguous errors. up

Re: [OSM-talk] rural highway tagging: residential or track

2010-06-28 Thread Chris Hill
Stan Berka wrote: I have frequently a tagging dilemma. See this example: Coburn Rd on this location: http://osm.org/go/z...@yoeg-- (N of US 2). It was tagged as residential, but I've been there two days ago and it's a decent compacted gravel road, almost 2-car wide primarily for agricultural

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing ways in Potlatch

2010-06-21 Thread Chris Hill
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: One big problem with any 4th dimensional idea is plate tectonics. I'm willing to bet that if you were to map how London was before the great fire of 1666, the coordinates of places won't match their current locations in WGS84 coordinates. And exactly how do you

Re: [OSM-talk] openstreetmap.org down

2010-06-15 Thread Chris Hill
Liz wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Grant Slater wrote: On 15 June 2010 08:56, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: The tweet says couple of hours and that was 5 hours ago. Anyone knows how much longer will it take? We had to wait for Adaptec to start work - Grant is holding on

Re: [Talk-GB] Comparing OS data

2010-06-15 Thread Chris Hill
Nick Whitelegg wrote: I have found ITO World's layer of name anomalies rather useful, but I could only see it in an editor, so I put together a comparison page, using the techniques from the sautter.com transparent map.

Re: [OSM-talk] Small village high detail low angle orthorectification

2010-06-13 Thread Chris Hill
Tristan Scott wrote: I happen to know a chap who has quite a lot of aerial imagery of Norfolk villages. Because he publishes the images, I cannot release the images to the public or to other mappers, but I can use them myself to generate mapping data. If you can't release the imagery to

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-13 Thread Chris Hill
Ed Avis wrote: Bob Kerr openstreetmapcraigmil...@... writes: I can easily understand that apostrophes and the name bypass are annoying, however I think there is an opportunity here. For example, bypass or by-pass. This highlights an inconstancy in the OS data, which will be useful

Re: [Talk-GB] Worrying Edits in Southampton

2010-06-12 Thread Chris Hill
Greg Auger wrote: For instance this McDonald's was moved to a completely different location: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/345112185/history Other ways have removed tags: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/22800339/history It seems to me we should revert all of mem0709's

[Talk-GB] Comparing OS data

2010-06-12 Thread Chris Hill
I have found ITO World's layer of name anomalies rather useful, but I could only see it in an editor, so I put together a comparison page, using the techniques from the sautter.com transparent map. http://oscompare.raggedred.net The slider (top right) alters the transparency of the layer. I've

[Talk-GB] Comparing OS data

2010-06-12 Thread Chris Hill
I have found ITO World's layer of name anomalies rather useful, but I could only see it in an editor, so I put together a comparison page, using the techniques from the sautter.com transparent map. http://oscompare.raggedred.net The slider (top right) alters the transparency of the layer. I've

Re: [OSM-talk] coastline error checker

2010-06-05 Thread Chris Hill
Carsten Gerlach wrote: Am Samstag 05. Juni 2010 11:15:16 schrieb Jon Burgess: Can you provide a map link to the exact area you modified? Some weeks ago I fixed this coastline http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=12193534 but is only in zoom level 14 right rendered, all other levels

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath tagging and OS OpenData

2010-06-03 Thread Chris Hill
Phil Endecott wrote: A challenge that I hope you can help me with is finding the right rules to convert from OSM tag combinations to OS-lookalike path rendering styles, i.e. footpath, bridleway, byway, permissive path, permissive bridleway, long-distance path, path, track. There are also

Re: [Talk-GB] - Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO

2010-06-02 Thread Chris Hill
Andy Allan wrote: I believe we need to track these false positives. If Ipswich is any guide, and there is about a dozen errors per town, then there is going to come a point where we are all repeatedly examining the same false positives trying to track down the remaining few actual mistakes in

[Talk-GB] - Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO

2010-06-01 Thread Chris Hill
Peter Miller wrote: We have created a map layer for Potlatch showing OS Locator names which are not in the nearby OSM data in a nice visual way. Details in our blog post of the subject. http://itoworld.blogspot.com/2010/05/os-locator-validation-mapping-for-uk.html To access the tiles

Re: [Talk-GB] - Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO

2010-06-01 Thread Chris Hill
Peter Miller wrote: On 1 Jun 2010, at 15:39, Chris Hill wrote: Peter Miller wrote: We have created a map layer for Potlatch showing OS Locator names which are not in the nearby OSM data in a nice visual way. Details in our blog post of the subject. http://itoworld.blogspot.com/2010/05

Re: [Talk-GB] Offsets between OS and OSM data (was Building with mapseg)

2010-05-30 Thread Chris Hill
I believe the StreetView tiles are offset south(ish) by a few metres in East Yorkshire too. Reprojected shape files line up well with surveyed data. I have traced a few buildings from StreetView but I've stopped until I had worked out what was wrong. Now given other people's comments I do

Re: [OSM-talk] scuba dive sites

2010-05-22 Thread Chris Hill
Joe Richards wrote: On searching, I have seen several pages and proposals in the wiki for scuba diving sites and for dive shops. I am currently tagging up the island of Utila, Honduras, which is well known for its diving. What can I use as a basic tag type for these two things (a dive

Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

2010-05-15 Thread Chris Hill
Steve Bennett wrote: One of my favourite things about working on openstreetmap is just how much you learn about the world...without ever leaving your computer :) One of the things I love about OSM is how it has encouraged me to see so many new things and learn so much about my local area

Re: [Talk-GB] Definitive Ways - tagging? (was Re: Talk-GB Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19)

2010-05-13 Thread Chris Hill
Mike Harris wrote: Richard - good thought - I hadn't thought about using a designation tag without a highway tag to avoid the rendering - it might solve my problem of unwalkable public rights of way in forests around here. Contact your local council. They have a legal duty to enforce

Re: [Talk-GB] Using OS Shapefiles

2010-05-11 Thread Chris Hill
, it would be helpful if someone else could provide some help with using Python for the 99% that think its a snake. Cheers, Jason On 11 May 2010 16:53, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net mailto:o...@raggedred.net wrote: I've written up the way I have used OS shapefiles in the wiki http

Re: [Talk-GB] Using OS Shapefiles

2010-05-11 Thread Chris Hill
ogr2ogr command line has the output and input files around the wrong way (gdal 1.7.2). Kevin On 11 May 2010 18:28, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net mailto:o...@raggedred.net wrote: Tim Francois wrote: Chris Any chance of providing some command snippets for using gdal's

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping progress in Surrey Heath

2010-05-10 Thread Chris Hill
Graeme Wilford wrote: The combination of high-res aerial imagery and OS StreetView data is very powerful indeed. For the sake of walkers and cyclists, I'd encourage others to tackle Surrey's waterways. The road network is fairly sane but the (typically NPE-derived) water network makes a

Re: [Talk-GB] Ward Boundaries

2010-05-04 Thread Chris Hill
James Rutter wrote: ...been tidying up the Surrey Heath district boundary now that we can do what we want with Boundaryline. Anyone got any advice for ward boundaries...can't find much at all on the wiki? What's the admin_level for ward or has it not been defined yet? What's the deal with

Re: [Talk-GB] State of play of OS Vector data

2010-05-02 Thread Chris Hill
Seventy 7 wrote: Can someone tell us what's happening with the latest release of OS data please? When streetview came out there were quite a few emails about tiles being rendered for tracing etc but this time it's all been very quiet! I presume someone somewhere is doing the vector data,

Re: [Talk-GB] State of play of OS Vector data

2010-05-02 Thread Chris Hill
the renderers to show them in a lighter colour until someone checks it and takes the 'verified=no' tag off? This could alleviate the concerns that people had that users will not survey an area if it looks complete on the map? Regards Graham. On 2 May 2010 13:14, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net

[Talk-GB] VectorMap District oddities

2010-04-29 Thread Chris Hill
I've just opened the VectorMap District from OS for my local area. I loaded the Road-Line and was dismayed to see substantial developments in the area build over the last 10 years were missing. I then loaded the Settlement_Area and the new developments appeared with the spaces for the roads.

Re: [Talk-GB] Matching OS Locator with OSM data

2010-04-28 Thread Chris Hill
Tim François wrote: I've noticed that sometimes there are discrepancies even between OS data. For example, there is a VAN DIEMENS LANE here in Bath. Here are three sources of names: OSM name: VAN DIEMENS LANE OS StreetView name: VAN DIEMENS LANE OS Locator name: VAN DIEMEN'S LANE So the

Re: [Talk-GB] OS Boundaries

2010-04-19 Thread Chris Hill
Tom Hughes wrote: On 19/04/10 17:18, Chris Hill wrote: Each boundary needs to share nodes with adjacent ones. County and district boundaries will also need to share nodes, so the process of loading them individually might be quite tedious, and would involve dealing with any existing

Re: [Talk-GB] OS Boundaries

2010-04-19 Thread Chris Hill
To the list too :) Tom Hughes wrote: On 19/04/10 17:18, Chris Hill wrote: Each boundary needs to share nodes with adjacent ones. County and district boundaries will also need to share nodes, so the process of loading them individually might be quite tedious, and would involve dealing

Re: [Talk-GB] OS Boundaries

2010-04-19 Thread Chris Hill
John Robert Peterson wrote: There is also the quite high level question of what is the correct position for these boundaries: if a boundary follows a river, and the river has changed course by a few meters since this boundary was established, does the boundary move with it, or does it stay

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using img OSM data

2010-04-17 Thread Chris Hill
davidss wrote: I have absolutely no experience with OSM sort of data and its mapping tools (I have just registered in OSM few mins ago), Im used to work with MP format in Mapedit and cgpsmapper. For sure decompiling IMG is not the best way but I found that link with those free download IMG

Re: [Talk-GB] Driving Test routes

2010-04-13 Thread Chris Hill
Ed Loach wrote: I know there are people out there with time on their hands, just itching to find more uses for OSM. We've bus route maps, cycling route maps, and even in the West Midlands a gritting routes map. Today I stumbled across the fact that driving test routes are on the DSA website

Re: [Talk-transit] Bus Stops in Bath

2010-04-12 Thread Chris Hill
The imports are not auto-merged. There is the NOVAM viewer: http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/ which helps compare the existing and imported stops. There are guidelines for dealing with the process of checking and merging stops too:

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-05 Thread Chris Hill
Tim François wrote: So the solution is to just leave it blank? Maybe the soution is to encourage people to treat OSM as an outdoor sport, gathering GPS tracks and LOTS of extra data that no one else's maps have, rather than an armchair hobby copying other people's maps. Cheers, Chris P.S.

Re: [Talk-transit] Bus stops missing in Cornwall

2010-04-04 Thread Chris Hill
Shaun McDonald wrote: Hi, A couple of weeks back I took a week end trip walking from Penzance to Lands End, on the way taking plenty of photos, some of which were of bus stops. The first problem I've found is that none of them seem to have a naptan code on them. Then there are several

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-transit] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?

2010-03-22 Thread Chris Hill
Christoph Böhme wrote: I found the time (or rather an easier solution to the problem): NOVAM now uses the XAPI servers to retrieve the bus stop data. So, it should be up-to-date again and hopefully in the future as well :-) Good news, I have missed it. Cheers, Chris

Re: [OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-20 Thread Chris Hill
SteveC wrote: What are the thing or things you know know that you wish you'd known when you started with OpenStreetMap? The stuff that I know now that I wish I had known includes: * That joining ways together is important. * That the right tag to use is not a black-and-white issue. *

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-transit] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?

2010-03-16 Thread Chris Hill
Thomas Wood wrote: On 13 March 2010 17:25, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: ... NaPTAN can add value but that is best realised by someone local to the import managing it. I would argue that NaPTAN does add value in undermapped parts of the country - the vast majority of NaPTAN

Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?

2010-03-13 Thread Chris Hill
I would certainly hope that any updates are not used to overwrite existing local edits. I have spent far too many hours checking and updating the data to have a newer version overwrite it. A smart merge would be more useful, I would write it if required. As too 'dumping in' the remaining

Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park

2010-03-05 Thread Chris Hill
John F. Eldredge wrote: On a related issue, since a way that forms a closed loop is interpreted as the boundary of an area rather than as a way, how does one map a road or trail that forms a closed loop? It depends on the context. A closed loop tagged with a highway tag is just a

Re: [Talk-GB] rendering locks

2010-02-28 Thread Chris Hill
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Steve Chilton wrote: two nodes with waterway=lock_gate at either end of a way tagged waterway=canal;lock=yes and single node with waterway=lock OR lock=yes (with lock-gates not mapped) These are definitely sensible. (I have a preference for the

Re: [Talk-GB] What has happened to Relation 2204 (ncn 4)?

2010-02-27 Thread Chris Hill
Ed Loach wrote: I use Potlatch where you get a warning. is there not a similar procedure in JOSM? I think there is an issue with JOSM where if you download the relation, then download the ways that make that relation, it isn't aware of other relations those ways are in. That means if

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Chris Hill
SteveC wrote: [snip] Right up front we have the school of thought that everything is perfect the way it is. That uservoice is some kind of inherently crappy system (see the uservoice ideas page at http://osm.uservoice.com/ ). That we shouldn't allow people to use tools which make fixing

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Chris Hill
SteveC wrote: 2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_. Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it. But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make the tools and site easy to use if we can expose a simple bug system. It's

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] is this usage of osm a violation of cc-by-sa?

2010-02-05 Thread Chris Hill
Jonas Stein wrote: http://www.troiki.de/karte.jpg http://www.troiki.de/anfahrt.html if so, should someone contact troiki and explain how to use the osm maps correct. They don't have any attribution on the pages, otherwise is the kind of use of OSM I would hope to see. If my schoolboy

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-02 Thread Chris Hill
NopMap wrote: Hi! A consistent, easy-to-use set of tags would spare mappers from spending time trying to figure out how to do something that has been figured out many times before or which contradictive information to follow. As I map a road I've not visited before, I don't consider

Re: [Talk-GB] OS 1:25K tracing

2010-01-22 Thread Chris Hill
Steve Hill wrote: Since the out of copyright 1:25K maps appeared, there has been rather a lot of tracing going on. On the whole, I think the availability of this data is good. However, I have noticed that around the Gower peninsula, quite a few nonexistent roads, etc. have appeared and

Re: [OSM-talk] icon for veterinary

2010-01-11 Thread Chris Hill
Daniel Neugebauer wrote: Hi again! I didn't expect that my previous question would make such a great fuss. Since I now volunteered for implementing an icon for amenity=veterinary, I couldn't get my mind off the icon itself today. The approved proposal - which I now know should not have

Re: [Talk-GB] Kent County Council Highways Gazetteer

2010-01-03 Thread Chris Hill
Colin Smale wrote: Would it be OK to derive tagging in this way? Should we get explicit permission from KCC first? Anyone got any experience with this, or example emails for this kind of request? I'd certainly ask permission first. The document will be copyright even if it doesn't bear

[OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread Chris Hill
I've just noticed that AlexanderF is changing all the maxheight=2.0 to maxheight=2. In fact he's changing anything ending with 0 after the decimal point to drop the zero. This is not good, he is lowering the accuracy of the tag, which is why they are displayed with a trailing zero on signs.

Re: [Talk-transit] London stops missing naptan:indicator tags

2009-12-30 Thread Chris Hill
Bryce McKinlay wrote: Recently I noticed a cluster of London bus stops from NapTAN which were missing indicator/stop_ref fields. I'm sure there are many more of these. I'm wondering about the best practice when making corrections or adding missing data which will ensure that these changes

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Thread Chris Hill
John Smith wrote: So what exactly is it in your opinion that I could be doing that I'm not already? Cut down the number of trolling posts you make to the mailing lists. Cheers, Chris ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Chris Hill
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y instead of X. 2) I tag Y, fallback:X 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y 2) I tag Y 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-15 Thread Chris Hill
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Anthony wrote: Ah, but I don't plan on ever visiting the OSM website when and if they switch to the ODbL. Best. Reason to switch to ODbL. Ever. Richard +1 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Chris Hill
Steve Bennett wrote: Alight, I've had enough of this. You've had enough of it!!! After nearly fifty emails about how to tag a ditch with a bridge over it in a few hours I think everyone in OSM has had enough of it. I've rarely seen so much crap in such a small space. Haven't any of you

Re: [Talk-GB] Stratford imagery

2009-12-10 Thread Chris Hill
Peter Miller wrote: I was wondering if 'type approval' for powered hang-gliders allows for bolt-on vertical cameras. Thinking about it I am going to worry a bit more about hang glider pilots dropping phones and cameras etc next time they are wandering about overhead! A powered

[Talk-transit] East Yorkshire NaPTAN data

2009-11-30 Thread Chris Hill
I have contacted the East Riding of Yorkshire council about NaPTAN data. They would welcome our feedback about the quality of NaPTAN in the county. The mappers in the county have checked about 20% so far, so I expect to be able to send this feedback early next year. The quality of the data

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Chris Hill
by your name I guess you're an English native speaker, so I guess you're right, still the definition in WIkipedia states: In modern usage, a *causeway* is a road or railway elevated on a sandbank http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbank, usually across a broad body of water

[OSM-talk] Damage

2009-11-22 Thread Chris Hill
I have found some edits by LenoXx http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/LenoXx which were damaging. They look like random changes by someone who didn't realise they were actually changing the data. I have corrected the one that I know well enough to change - basically removing extra tags from a

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