Re: [OSM-talk] routing - US interstate type junction -Wichita, KS

2009-09-22 Thread David Lynch
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 16:55, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:  The problem connector is also named US81...etc, as well as containing the routing relation 135 South.   I believe that is what disrupted the routing.  A further clarification - the connection from 81 to 254 would be a

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging continuous flow intersections

2009-08-24 Thread David Lynch
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:25, Konrad Skerikon...@skeri.com wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:11:59 -0500, David Lynch wrote: I suspect that I'd end up creating a set of ways that look something like this, plus a whole bunch of oneway tags and turn restrictions: http://dl1050.dyndns.org:

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging continuous flow intersections

2009-08-23 Thread David Lynch
I suspect that I'd end up creating a set of ways that look something like this, plus a whole bunch of oneway tags and turn restrictions: http://dl1050.dyndns.org:/images/osm/cfi.png On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 17:33, David Paleinod.pale...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm having some issues with

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 13:37, Alex Mauerha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 08/13/2009 01:24 PM, David Earl wrote: realise we are missing a use case (say we discover motorways in Ecuador permit learner drivers to use them [please don't tell me this isn't the case - it's only an example]) we have

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - 4wd_only

2009-08-05 Thread David Lynch
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 09:45, Morten Kjeldgaardm...@bioxray.au.dk wrote: So using the surface=* tag is a better approach IMHO  to warn that a road is in a bad shape for ordinary traffic. Surface alone doesn't tell you enough. A standard car can handle just about any surface except mud, as long

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-04 Thread David Lynch
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 19:02, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/5 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: I'd agree that it should be importance for trunk/primary/secondary/tertiary. The stuff about not using trunk for single-track roads just doesn't match

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-04 Thread David Lynch
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 19:31, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/5 David Lynch djly...@gmail.com: no, I don't agree. A highway becomes motorway when it get's legally promoted to be a motorway (by the motorway-sign this is indicated). The USA has no such sign, nor do

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-04 Thread David Lynch
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 20:13, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/5 David Lynch djly...@gmail.com: That indicates that it's part of the Interstate system. Every highway on the Interstate system is a motorway-class (high-speed and grade-separated) road, but not every

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread David Lynch
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 06:56, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/2 Liz ed...@billiau.net: So the question is: is there anything about a road inside an industrial or commercial area which would be important inside a renderer or a routing engine and is different to a

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 23:40, Cartinuscarti...@xs4all.nl wrote: 3) The people who do not care/know about the difference are still going to tag a physical maxheight with the maxheight tag. Agreed. In countries where there are separate signs for a warning about the physical height of an object

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:59, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is that there is a continuous hierarchy of roads in terms of importance, and when you get huge numbers of roads in the city the jump From tertiary to residential/unclassified is too big and people tag

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread David Lynch
Accidentally hit send there... On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 23:12, David Lynchdjly...@gmail.com wrote: To paraphrase a post in one of the US tagging talk pages on the Wiki, this is what my tags end up being: Motorway: More than one grade-separated intersection in a row, high speed, oncoming

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...

2009-07-20 Thread David Lynch
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 13:33, Gustav Foseidgust...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:10 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also thinking that deprecating both landuse=forest and natural=wood might be a good idea if this goes forward. Replace it with natural=trees, which

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread David Lynch
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:10, Russ Nelsonr...@cloudmade.com wrote:  An even more aggressive fix would be to disconnect everything that isn't a motorway_link.  That's probably correct, but more aggressive than I would choose to implement. Not a good idea at all, IMO. I can think of numerous

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread David Lynch
Because I and numerous other mappers have put a hell of a lot of time and effort into getting things right, and I don't want anyone breaking it because an algorithm assumes it isn't right. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:15, Russ Nelsonr...@cloudmade.com wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:27 AM, David

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread David Lynch
, 2009, at 9:29 AM, David Lynch wrote: Because I and numerous other mappers have put a hell of a lot of time and effort into getting things right, and I don't want anyone breaking it because an algorithm assumes it isn't right. Well, I guess that's an argument for only editing data still owned

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=tool_booth also for automated toll cameras?

2009-05-05 Thread David Lynch
I've been using it for electronic toll collection, even though it doesn't require stopping. There probably should be some tag like highway=toll_collection to cover places where tolls are collected in addition to barrier=toll_booth where an actual stop is required. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:45,

Re: [Talk-us] Temporarily Deleting Relations from Interstate Ways

2009-05-05 Thread David Lynch
Thanks to a couple different mappers and myself, I-35 looks to be good from the Mexican border to north of Austin. I've done some cleanup for 35 in the remainder of Texas, but finishing it is on my to-do list. I'll probably move north to Oklahoma after that. Oklahoma's a mess - most of the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-24 Thread David Lynch
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:14, Paul Fox p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us wrote:   if it's an option I wouldn't wast a second to write about the pro/con.   why does anyone try to force users to do it?   I have patched josm already but not every user knows how to do it. you sound very angry about

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:45, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:25, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If both from and to ways continue after the via point and neither is one-way, there's two possible ways to interpret it: the restriction could apply when

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread David Lynch
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 19:00, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: - with API 0.6 the size of relations is limited to 1000 members. many interstates have more segments. relations have to be split into smaller pieces and a super relation. Ouch!  Who failed

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-13 Thread David Lynch
If you go to the Board of Geographic Names site (http://geonames.usgs.gov/), it indicates that all elevations are from the National Elevation Dataset. (Which is probably what Garmin uses as well.) NED doesn't really have the spatial resolution to resolve features as small as the exact tops of

Re: [OSM-talk] immutable=yes Fwd: DEC Lands

2009-03-12 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:36, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote: No one has been able to refute my claim that if someone would enter it by hand, it belongs in OSM regardless of its source.  And if it comes from surveyed data, then it makes no sense to edit its position. Metadata, perhaps.  

Re: [OSM-talk] immutable=yes Fwd: DEC Lands

2009-03-09 Thread David Lynch
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 13:54, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote: On Mar 9, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:  if someone has data that must not be modified (because of course it is 100% error free...?) then don't put that data in OSM! *I* see OSM as an API for all possible

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 04:57, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: If you look at the license plan you'll see it comes in the following stages: 1) Make the plan and the draft public. Ask for feedback. 2) Wait for feedback to be taken into account and expect/hope for a final version of the

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan - what data would need deleting

2009-03-04 Thread David Lynch
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 08:19, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com writes: Suppose I split a way into two parts. The second part now gets uploaded as a completely new object, with nothing in its history pointing towards its origin. Although the way is new, don't the

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=tertiary[_link?] (was: Re: highway=secondary_link)

2009-03-02 Thread David Lynch
There's another question brought up by the example below that's somewhat tangential: Does the group think that short connectors at intersections, such as a separate lane that allows traffic turning right (left in the UK, Australia, Japan, etc.) to bypass traffic lights, should be tagged as

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread David Lynch
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 08:08, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: Would it be appropriate to continue this conversation on legal-talk? Talk is very busy at the moment and we have a lovely list of our own :) Why do the non-lawyers need to go to the lawyers if they're making proposals

[OSM-talk] Mapnik updating more frequently?

2009-02-09 Thread David Lynch
Is the mapnik render now updating more frequently than once a week? I'm seeing buildings that I added a couple hours ago appearing on there before even ti...@home/osmarender gets to them. -- David J. Lynch djly...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] US Highway Classification (Was: directions of ways in MassGIS data)

2009-02-03 Thread David Lynch
What I've tended to do in my part of Texas is: Motorway - two or more consecutive intersections with grade separation and no driveways, or any interstate (some very rural locations do have the occasional turn off directly from the main travel lanes) Trunk - US highways without any other reason to

Re: [OSM-talk] Temporary Items, overlays, changes

2009-01-08 Thread David Lynch
I think that temporary and historical prefixes are the best answer to this, possibly with a relation for roads that are different due to the same event, project, etc. Tag things with what they are generally at the current day, and add exceptions as needed. I would envision an example like: