Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Banquetting Halls (neither hotels, not community centres)

2013-09-01 Thread sk53.osm
I'd agree with Mike, banqueting_hall is a tad too specific, but I did like the other option of function_hall suggested by someone earlier in the thread. Event_hall is an equivalent which works fine for me too. Note that there is a cross-over to things tagged village_hall or similar, and many

Re: [Talk-GB] Grounds of Places of Worshiip when not Graveyards

2013-08-31 Thread sk53.osm
Exactly why OS Street View should only be used as a guide, not gospel. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:21 AM, OpenStreetmap HADW osmh...@gmail.comwrote: On 28 August 2013 09:50, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: new-fangled expensive wedding licences. Or telling my local vicar and his wife

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Archaeology

2013-08-31 Thread sk53.osm
Open Historical Map is a sandbox environment and has only been around for a few months. It's far too early to write it off. A more reliable link is probably hosm.gwhat.com, but Jeff Meyer has been having problems with the servers recently, and it doesn't seem to up atm. Jerry On Sat, Aug 31,

Re: [Talk-GB] Lines of Trees along river banks etc.

2013-08-29 Thread sk53.osm
The entire landcover tag discussion on the wiki is a huge distraction,and not based on any objective criteria, let alone an attempt to see if what we have works. I, on the other hand, gave a paper at SotM-Eu in 2011 which showed that use of existing tags could provide a level of

Re: [Talk-GB] Grounds of Places of Worshiip when not Graveyards

2013-08-28 Thread sk53.osm
The convention exists because the grounds in which a place of worship exists are rarely places of worship themselves. Try conducting a marriage in a churchyard (probably the tag you are looking for landuse=churchyardhttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=churchyard, to heavily used but in

Re: [Talk-GB] Grounds of Places of Worshiip when not Graveyards

2013-08-28 Thread sk53.osm
) seems unusually clunky. Jerry On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:41 PM, OpenStreetmap HADW osmh...@gmail.comwrote: On 28 August 2013 09:50, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: churchyard (probably the tag you are looking for landuse=churchyard, to heavily used but in existence) instead of a church

Re: [Talk-GB] Lines of Trees along river banks etc.

2013-08-28 Thread sk53.osm
I don't think these are hedgerows at all. They are really relict river gallery woodland (usually *Salicion albae,* NVChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodland_and_scrub_communities_in_the_British_National_Vegetation_Classification_systemW6) and I would expect are mainly Willows with the odd Poplar

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN Stops and Hail and Ride Buses

2013-08-24 Thread sk53.osm
I doubt if anyone checks the Naptan account: it's an import account largely to separate personal mapping from imports. Furthermore I don't know how active the user who co-ordinated the imports is these days: info is available on the wiki. I don't think either OSM or NaPTAN ever came up with a

Re: [Talk-GB] Phone numbers in little England

2013-08-22 Thread sk53.osm
IIRC virtually every round of phone number expansion has not been very forward looking. I think Ovum did the consultancy on the first onehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhONEday: just adding a '1' on the front of each STD code, which was obviously a kludge. I vaguely remember the London 01 = 071,081

[Talk-GB] UK National Borehole DB

2013-08-22 Thread sk53.osm
I'm awaiting all the bad jokes, but have just noticed that the IGS National Borehole database is available under OGL: http://www.bgs.ac.uk/data/boreholescans/ I've used this before for local history stuff, and a friend who has an amateur interest in hydrology worked out all sorts of things from

Re: [Talk-GB] Phone numbers in little England

2013-08-22 Thread sk53.osm
databases have a DATE data type (or one of the many variations like DATETIME or TIMESTAMP). Why not apply the same principle to phone numbers? Colin On 2013-08-22 14:35, sk53.osm wrote: IIRC virtually every round of phone number expansion has not been very forward looking. I think Ovum

Re: [Talk-GB] Phone numbers in little England

2013-08-22 Thread sk53.osm
As the NSA clearly don't process their data according to E.164 (otherwise how could they confuse Washington DC area code with Egypt), I think we can skip it too! On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: ** I am not sure what your issue was with highway=path

[Talk-GB] Nottingham pub meet-up Tuesday 13th August

2013-08-12 Thread sk53.osm
Just a quick reminder that this is scheduled for tomorrow at 19:30. Notionally an OSM 9th Birthday event: not sure if there will be cake. Details on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nottingham/Pub_Meetup Jerry ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] Finding Unmapped public rights of way

2013-07-30 Thread sk53.osm
time to time. Jerry On Jul 29, 2013 12:20 PM, Phil Endecott spam_from_os...@chezphil.org wrote: sk53.osm wrote: Overview of missing Derbyshire footpaths: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**sk53_osm/9390856924/http://www.flickr.com/photos/sk53_osm/9390856924/ Interesting. I think you're

Re: [Talk-GB] Finding Unmapped public rights of way

2013-07-28 Thread sk53.osm
Hmm, I have sitting on my desktop a whole load of QGIS analyses of OSM designation=* against the DCC rowmap TAB file, but as I'm on my way to SotM Baltics wont write this up until I get back. I haven't looked in detail, but basic use of buffers seems to grab most matching footpaths (buffer OSM

Re: [Talk-GB] Finding Unmapped public rights of way

2013-07-28 Thread sk53.osm
Overview of missing Derbyshire footpaths: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sk53_osm/9390856924/ Jerry On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, I have sitting on my desktop a whole load of QGIS analyses of OSM designation=* against the DCC rowmap TAB file

[Talk-GB] Nottingham pub meet-up Tuesday 9th July

2013-07-08 Thread sk53.osm
Just a reminder that tomorrow is the monthly Nottingham pub meet-up. Lincolnshire Poacher, 18:30 for mapping; 19:30 for beer / chat etc. I'm keen to continue mapping in the Carrington area as it is more of a commercial area than I had expected. Perhaps we could divide up and each do one of the

Re: [Talk-GB] Nottingham Pub Meetup restarting

2013-06-10 Thread sk53.osm
at 11:28 AM, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: Given that SotM-US has been running over this weekend, there's probably a few of the talks which will be of interest to anyone. So far the one's I think are worth a discussion over a pint are: - Mikel Maron's talk on community

Re: [Talk-GB] Nottingham Pub Meetup restarting

2013-06-09 Thread sk53.osm
about OSM in general. Jerry On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:00 PM, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: I've put dates in the wiki for next 3 months of Nottingham pub meetings: next Tuesday 11th July 9th August 13th All will be at 19:30 at the Lincolnshire Poacher. A mapping activity for an hour

Re: [Talk-GB] SOTM Presentation idea - Council footpath data - comments?

2013-06-09 Thread sk53.osm
Hi Nick, I went out doing a bit of footpath surveying the other day ended up doing several submissions to the county council website: mainly about missing signage. Also rather irritating was that a couple of paths marked on (a recent) OS map do not exist, so one would want to feedback to them.

Re: [Talk-GB] Current status on UK Council footpath data

2013-06-06 Thread sk53.osm
Hi Nick, We have Open Data locally for Nottingham ProW (significant because the city was exempt from maintaining a definitive map until recently). So far all I have done is added ref information to paths already mapped. Even with open data the situation is still confusing: for instance a footpath

[Talk-GB] Nottingham Pub Meetup restarting

2013-06-06 Thread sk53.osm
I've put dates in the wiki for next 3 months of Nottingham pub meetings: next Tuesday 11th July 9th August 13th All will be at 19:30 at the Lincolnshire Poacher. A mapping activity for an hour beforehand (which may start from somewhere else) Details on the wiki:

Re: [Talk-GB] Ffordd Llundain incorrectly named in many places in Lloegr

2013-06-01 Thread sk53.osm
. Do you really need to print this email? -- *From:* sk53.osm [sk53@gmail.com] *Sent:* 31 May 2013 22:38 *To:* Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Ffordd Llundain incorrectly named in many places in Lloegr I notice that many highways

Re: [Talk-GB] Obstructed Rights of Way

2013-05-30 Thread sk53.osm
I had this problem in Carmarthenshirehttp://sk53-osm.blogspot.com/2011/07/footpaths-in-carmarthenshire-whats-point.htmla couple of years ago. I chose not to mark this on OSM because in practice the footpaths are non-existent. Also at least one ran through the front garden of one of my sister's

Re: [Talk-GB] railway:historic=rail

2013-05-13 Thread sk53.osm
I don't think Richard's original post was an invitation to discuss arcane quirks of Britain's historical railway system. I have raised the issue of wholesale tag changing several times recently, and as this tagging is clearly not with the consensus of mappers either in the UK or elsewhere, I

Re: [Talk-GB] associatedParking relation

2013-05-13 Thread sk53.osm
the parking relates (actually business may do perfectly well!) On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: The only thing I'm not sure about is having the role of the owning entity blank. Any

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-07 Thread sk53.osm
Like others I agree that split roads must have some absolute barrier between them. If there is a traffic jam and it is possible to do a U-turn then the road should not be split. There are however a number of cases which might be a bit harder to call. I notice a revised road layout yesterday where

[Talk-GB] Tidying up some shop tags

2013-05-05 Thread sk53.osm
I propose to tidy up some shop=* tag values. I am not certain of the full scope, but here are ones I do know about: - to shop=bookmaker from bookmakers, bookies, Bookmaker, Bookmakers, bookmarkers,turf_accountant [shop=betting has nearly as many uses as shop=bookmaker, and shop=gambling

[Talk-GB] Copyright Statutory Highway Registers

2013-05-01 Thread sk53.osm
This is a follow-up to my recent postings on refs on tertiaries and unclassified roads. This is not a whinge it is about a potentially serious issue. I have been looking at websites for a number of Local Authorities to see if their statutory register of Highways has been licensed with a suitable

Re: [Talk-GB] Natural England Data

2013-05-01 Thread sk53.osm
The license terms seem fairly straightforward despite them adding Natural England in front of the name of each license. Virtually all the data of interest has been compiled from OSGB data (not maps, but probably using vector data) and therefore under current terms is released under the OSGB

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread sk53.osm
Well I'm definitely in favour of mapping the boundary ways: hedges, fences, walls. I do not see any general value in mapping fields one by one, unless there are particular cultural reasons (for instance the Cheshire Cheese in Hope, Derbyshire, has maps showing all the historical field names on

[Talk-GB] Complaining about refs on roads again!

2013-04-30 Thread sk53.osm
This adding of refs on roads is getting ridiculous. I just was geotagging some photos and I noticed this: http://osm.org/go/eu1a7D4X. A number of unclassified residential roads have been tagged in Cheshire (can't remember which one it is because this is on the border) with obviously internal

Re: [Talk-GB] Writing a howto wiki page for mapping golf courses

2013-04-30 Thread sk53.osm
Have you seen Richard Weait's page on this subject : http://weait.com/node/21. And fewer of those named ways to make the hole names look nice :-) Jerry On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Bob Kerr openstreetmapcraigmil...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi, I have been spending a lot of time looking at

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread sk53.osm
This is quite reasonable, although as I use farmland for all agriculture (but not viticulture or orchards) I had never appreciated that it seems to have become synonymous with arable. I still think landuse=farmland, farmland=arable is a better way of tagging ( a tad friendlier to data consumers).

Re: [Talk-GB] walls versus landuse=field

2013-04-30 Thread sk53.osm
This is one of the calcareous grasslands; downland sounds good, although chalk_downland might be more precise. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM, David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, This feels like an appropriate thread to butt into and ask: is there an accepted tag for grassy

[Talk-GB] Fwd: Using rights of way data

2013-04-28 Thread sk53.osm
-- Forwarded message -- From: sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com Date: Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Using rights of way data To: Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com Will, The OSGB license is the one we have been using for StreetView, Locator etc. AFAIK the main issue

Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags

2013-04-25 Thread sk53.osm
Why do you assume that landuse=grass is more correct than natural=grass. This is precisely the problem I have with your edits. If I use natural=* for something someone comes and changes it to landuse=* which is not what I meant. I ONLY use landuse=grass for amenity grassland (mainly in cities)

Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags

2013-04-25 Thread sk53.osm
I think JonathanB is spot on here: if the original landuse tags had been landuse=forestry, landuse=farming; landuse=selling_things;landuse=office_drudgery and so on, the widespread confusion between landuse (usually can be denoted by an abstract noun), and natural or landcover (which can usually

Re: [Talk-GB] Taginfo Golf Tags

2013-04-24 Thread sk53.osm
I've added the Ladies (Pans) Course at Machrihanishhttp://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?q=machrihanishzoom=16lat=55.42622lon=-5.72159layers=B0Fand the 1st 18th of the Championship course. I can't remember where all the tees are, and as for many links courses, fairways are often shared between holes.

[Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags

2013-04-24 Thread sk53.osm
I notice that there have been a large number of mass edits of tags associated with either land cover or land use recently. Some may indeed be useful corrections, but altering all natural=meadow to landuse=meadow probably interferes with the intentions of the original mapper: meadows can be created

[Talk-GB] 10 fascinating facts about OSM OSGB

2013-04-18 Thread sk53.osm
OSGB has just tweeted it's 10 fascinating facts. I thought it would be fun to compare with OSM 1. Pylons: 80,517 ; 58,487 (OSMhttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=tower#values ) 2. Post Boxes: 93.728 (OSGB); 42,742 (OSMhttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=post_box#values

[Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread sk53.osm
I've noticed that many minor roads in the Highland Region of Scotland have been tagged with ref=[CU] based on a PDF document from the regions transport department. I've altered a few of these where I've encountered them to official:ref=* as I don't believe that these are verifiable on the

Re: [Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread sk53.osm
: sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed that many minor roads in the Highland Region of Scotland have been tagged with ref=[CU] based on a PDF document from the regions transport department. I've altered a few of these where I've encountered them to official:ref=* as I

[Talk-GB] OSM-GB (was Branding)

2013-02-23 Thread sk53.osm
I've been paying a bit more attention to OSM-GB because I caught one of their recent blog posts which indicated that a road name nearby was incorrectly named (Gregory Street in Lenton), see http://www.osmgb.org.uk/blog/?p=338. Accordingly I've spent a bit of time checking my original sources for