Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-08 Thread Lester Caine
Russ Nelson wrote: Which is exactly why the 'start_date' and 'end_date' become important elements. Rather than simply wiping those historic layers they get an end date, and the editors simply ignore them unless one has enabled a date range. This then replaces simply deleting

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-07 Thread Lester Caine
Joseph R. Justice wrote: On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com mailto:nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Andy Street writes: Was the building first opened on that date? or was it when the pub began trading? My main use of start_date and end_date would be

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-07 Thread Lester Caine
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/12/7 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk Delete is simply not a valid concept unless the object never existed in the first place? While I find this concept appealing at first glance, it would raise complexity much more if we not

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-07 Thread Russ Nelson
Lester Caine writes: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/12/7 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk Delete is simply not a valid concept unless the object never existed in the first place? And maybe not even then. I've been working on the Dunderberg Spiral Railway,

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-06 Thread Russ Nelson
Andy Street writes: The start_date is the date that it feature came into existence not the date it was mapped so automatically populating it will just lead to junk data that is indistinguishable from the real valid data. Yeah, seriously! Was the building first opened on that date? or was

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-06 Thread Joseph R. Justice
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Andy Street writes: Was the building first opened on that date? or was it when the pub began trading? My main use of start_date and end_date would be for railroads, and even that isn't sufficient, because some

[OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-05 Thread Lester Caine
As a result of some miss communication my job today was cut short, so I'm back home early ... this is a summary of my thoughts while driving home. The trip home was fun due to a lack of the right data. Had I know that the A429 was closed I would have taken a different decision early on, but

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-05 Thread Patrick Kilian
As a result of some miss communication I stopped reading the email before the wall of text ended. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/12/5 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk I would like to request that 'start_date' is automatically populated with ad the very least, the current date, but with an option to update it based on what is being traced from? if you are refering to the tag start_date than I strongly oppose this

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-05 Thread Lester Caine
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I would like to request that 'start_date' is automatically populated with ad the very least, the current date, but with an option to update it based on what is being traced from? if you are refering to the tag start_date than I strongly oppose this idea.

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-05 Thread Andy Street
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 15:20:58 + Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I would like to request that 'start_date' is automatically populated with ad the very least, the current date, but with an option to update it based on what is being traced from? if

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-05 Thread Lester Caine
Andy Street wrote: On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 15:20:58 + Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I would like to request that 'start_date' is automatically populated with ad the very least, the current date, but with an option to update it based on what is being

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

2013-12-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/12/5 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk You are perfectly correct that there are more start_dates needed, If you have one object for the pub and one for the house you don't have this problem. A building ideally wouldn't have tags like amenity=pub, but of course it does currently in the osm