Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-06 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Emilie Laffray wrote: What might be interesting and worth a discussion: A tag to describe the default language of this object, e.g. language=en. This could als be several tags, e.g. name=België - Belgique - Belgien name:nl=België name:fr=Belgique

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-06 Thread Stephan Plepelits
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:53:57PM +0200, Ben Laenen wrote: So, in short: I'm not sure a language tag would work here. The languages should be known from the political entity it's located in, and since the places in areas with more than one official language are tagged with name:nl, name:fr

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-06 Thread Tal
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Stephan Plepelits sk...@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:53:57PM +0200, Ben Laenen wrote: So, in short: I'm not sure a language tag would work here. The languages should be known from the political entity it's located in, and since

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-06 Thread Joe Richards
I like the idea of the language element. I would like to add an extra precision in this case. I think the order of language should be by importance. Unfortunately, in this case namely the country, it is something highly political to even consider an order. But, in the case of a town located

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-06 Thread Emilie Laffray
Hello, Yes, it is potentially a minefield. I clearly indicated so previously. Well, I guess what matters is what you are going to do with the data. Someone earlier raised the very valid point that most of the problem could actually be solved by using the rendering in Mapnik by specifying the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-05 Thread Cartinus
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 06:48:33 Pierre-André Jacquod wrote: Hi, I think that is OK. It is at least how I am mapping in similar cases. regards Nick Black wrote: Hi Guys, Was there an agreed answer to this issue. I want to tag an address in Kyiv using both the English and Ukrainian

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-05 Thread Emilie Laffray
Hi, this is an interesting question. I have a slightly related question regarding the naming of objects in OSM. I was wondering in that case the :ua is actually needed since it is actually the native language of the place. Wouldn't it make more sense to have simply addr:street: and keep the one

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-05 Thread Stephan Plepelits
I would say it should be exactly the same as for the name-tag[1]. Local language: name=Foobar the way with the housenumbers get addr:street=Foobar if you have translations name:ua=Uaah then you can do addr:street:ua=Uaah [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bilingual_street_names What might

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-05 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Cartinus Sounds like I can do: addr:street:en:Tereschenkivska Street and addr:street:ua:Терещнкіівська Is this best practice? ... This nearby street will have the tags highway=* + name=Терещнкіівська + name:en=Tereschenkivska Street (+ maybe

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-05 Thread Emilie Laffray
Hello, Stephan Plepelits wrote: I would say it should be exactly the same as for the name-tag[1]. Local language: name=Foobar the way with the housenumbers get addr:street=Foobar if you have translations name:ua=Uaah then you can do addr:street:ua=Uaah [1]

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-04 Thread Pierre-André Jacquod
Hi, I think that is OK. It is at least how I am mapping in similar cases. regards Nick Black wrote: Hi Guys, Was there an agreed answer to this issue. I want to tag an address in Kyiv using both the English and Ukrainian street names. Sounds like I can do:

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-15 Thread Pierre-André Jacquod
Hi 1) This proposal will not help the Brussels map, where a similar need exists. In Brussels they want the default map to show street names in France and Dutch. see http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.77218lon=4.38126zoom=15layers=B000FTTT for a road with these tags: name=Avenue

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-15 Thread Tal
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Pierre-André Jacquod pjacq...@alumni.ethz.ch wrote: Hi 1) This proposal will not help the Brussels map, where a similar need exists. In Brussels they want the default map to show street names in France and Dutch. see

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-14 Thread Pierre-André Jacquod
Hi, sorry, I have been of for some days.. What Pierre-André has suggested though, seems to be different to name in that rather than having name:local contain the name, what he's actually suggesting is that the value of name:local refers to the local language, perhaps better named as

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-14 Thread Tal
For my use, that proposal is pretty good. However, I'd like to discuss two points. 1) This proposal will not help the Brussels map, where a similar need exists. In Brussels they want the default map to show street names in France and Dutch. see

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-09 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:51:28 +0100, Pierre-André Jacquod pjacq...@alumni.ethz.ch wrote: A possibility would be to never use name=, but only name:XX= and have a tag name:local=XX in order to indicate which is the local one. For rendering, a default rule could be that if there is only one

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-09 Thread D Tucny
2009/3/9 marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:51:28 +0100, Pierre-André Jacquod pjacq...@alumni.ethz.ch wrote: A possibility would be to never use name=, but only name:XX= and have a tag name:local=XX in order to indicate which is the local one. For rendering, a

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-08 Thread Chris Browet
As Michel pointed out, we have the same issue in Belgium, especially in Brussels which is officially bi-lingual, i.e. all street names have both a french and dutch name. To bypass the problem of having to retype both the name:nl anf name:fr in name, I've implemented in Merkaartor a feature which

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-07 Thread Pierre-André Jacquod
[...] Hi, In Israel we try to tag all names with name,name:he,name:en, and we put the same value in name and name:he. For example: name=1234 name:he=1234 name:en=abcd Is there a feature recognized by the renderer software packages

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-07 Thread Michel Barakat
We're facing a similar issue for mapping in neighboring Lebanon. In addition to English, we use Arabic and French so we end up having four name tags: 'name', 'name:en', 'name:fr', 'name:ar' The name tag is a duplicate of one of the three languages depending on the road or POI in question, we have